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posted November 07, 2010 09:50 PM         

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What do you do? Do you set the birth time to noon? Do you set the ASC. to the same as their Sun sign or do you use the day that they were born, or some kind of form of numerology? Has anyone found tricks to guessing birth times?

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posted November 07, 2010 09:51 PM         

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And later on found them out to be accurate?

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posted November 07, 2010 09:58 PM         

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the trick to getting an accurate birth time is doing a chart rectification.

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posted November 07, 2010 10:02 PM         

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I do a solar chart and put the Sun right on the ascendant and go from there. I also set it up as an Equal house chart. I have not worked with chart rectification that much.

A local astrologer had told me to wrote down my 10 biggest moments in my life and go from there.

There is a certain degree of accuracy using the Solar equal house charts - especially when doing the transits.

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posted November 07, 2010 11:26 PM         

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I set the birth to noon, then see what degree the Moon is at. If it's in a position that's plus or minus 10 degrees and still in the same sign then I know that the Moon was in that sign for the day. If it changes signs that day, I do a quick analysis to see which one it is (gets easier the more you do it, to recognize Moon signs). That will narrow down the Asc for me, typically. Then I first look at how they react when upset, and that's usually an Asc dead giveaway. If I know the person I'll see the words they use to describe themselves, and also pay attention to how they communicate (heavily Asc influenced). I also go back to those whose Asc I do know and extrapolate from there. Every time I have someone's Asc, I work out really precisely how they use theirs, for added info once I come to someone whose Asc is unknown. One stand out wildcard is the house of the Sun, it will be a backdrop to how they express their Sun and can't be denied, no matter who/where it is. 5th house Suns are hard to ignore, so my cousin whose Asc I thought, wait, it's prob Cancer, but the girl craves attn. She turned out to have Cancer Asc @ 29degrees, Sun H5. She had many Cancer asc qualities, for example letting others know what she ate and how it affected her, they like to talk about that for some reason, and with Aquarius Moon, so you know she's gonna be telling it to -everyone- and it's true, she'll tell strangers if she just had gas from drinking milk, and not in a hushed volume. 1st house planets are not immediately noticeable to me, they're more the qualities that the person wants others to see at first glance. They'll act em out in front of an audience, but it's different than a rising sign, though it's hard to explain. All this is a lot easier when you know the person. Just from a photo not having interacted with them is not enough. I'm 90% on the mark with people I've interacted with, from just photos, maybe 30%. Also look at all the planets and see which one stands out the most in their character, what do they keep reverting back to. That's typically the chart ruler.

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posted November 08, 2010 02:53 PM         

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If you can do astrology correct, you rectify based on a method which works.

Set the natal chart to Cancer because the Moon will be a few degrees either side of where it should be in the day.

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posted November 08, 2010 03:15 PM         

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I set it at noon and ignore houses (which sucks).

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posted November 08, 2010 03:23 PM         

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Lonake,

Concerning determining ASC based on the planet they most act like, how do you really determine that? How do you determine how which sign acts when upset? If they get quiet they're water? If they blow up they're Fire?

...maybe I'm just too much of a novice.

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posted November 08, 2010 07:12 PM         

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I'm pretty good at guessing someone's ASC. But usually I'll guess the opposite of their actual sign, either way your advice helps, Lonake!

I'm trying to figure out the ASC. of this Capricorn that I've connected with really fast. I usually connect very fast with fellow Sag. ASC. But the problem is that in his natal the Moon changed signs between Pisces to Aries by noon, and the hardest part is that his Moon is conjunct his Mars in late Pisces, so even is he has Pisces Moon, the Moon-Mars conjunction seems like Aries Mars.

He is direct, but not agressive and really apologetic and really nice, in fact it is a bit annoying. And he is an amazing artist and he is really into Metal, what ASC. does that sound like?

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posted November 08, 2010 07:18 PM         

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i ask if they know if they were born in the morning, night, daylight or whatever and guess the best time based on that then adjust it according to how well i know the person so the chart fits the person

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posted November 08, 2010 09:11 PM         

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meta, "How do you determine how which sign acts when upset?"
Just from observation. Lots of it. I'm better in person..with just a picture, not so much.

Vertiver,
"so even is he has Pisces Moon, the Moon-Mars conjunction seems like Aries Mars."
But it would still be Pisces Moon, very very different from Aries Moon, Aries moon has a childlike quality that is independent and self-directed. Pisces Moon is not like that, Moon conj Mars could mean emotional outbursts depending, oversensitive. But look at how he acts overall, not just Moon conj Mars and how it's like an Aries moon, it is in some ways, but it's an overtone, the real moon sign will be the undertone. Aries Moon can have larger eyes, ears that sorta stick out on the sides, boyish looks, there's just a lovable kid quality there, Pisces Moon will look at you soulfully when feeling something strong, will share their inner world with you...Wait, do you have Pisces Moon? I think you have something in Pisces I forget what.
"what ASC. does that sound like? "
Maybe narrow down the Moon first and then look at the possible risings?

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posted November 09, 2010 02:06 AM         

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From your description of Aries Moon, Lonake, it sounds more like him. And I've got Pisces Moon, so I should be able to pick it up. But he has Scorpio Venus and Pisces Mars, maybe that lends to him seeming more watery?

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posted November 09, 2010 02:14 AM         

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From your description of Aries Moon, Lonake, it sounds more like him. And I've got Pisces Moon, so I should be able to pick it up. But he has Scorpio Venus and Pisces Mars, maybe that lends to him seeming more watery?

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posted November 09, 2010 04:40 PM         

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Yea I think you'd pick up on other Lunar Pisceans. Scorpio Venus is actually kinda feisty, protective shield and all, may test you, so its watery but a really different feel from Pisces. The Mars Pisces is sorta 'woe is me' - girl use your intuition! Or are you sprung

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posted November 09, 2010 10:49 PM         

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Someday I'll find out his birth time, but I'm just not that familiar with Capricorn Suns as well, so its harder for me to tell. But if he has Pisces Moon than his Moon is trine his Venus and conjunct Mars, are you familar with these aspects?

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posted November 13, 2010 12:25 AM         

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Whoa, Lonake, I'm totally surprised I finally got the birth time for Mr. Cappy and his ASC. is in Leo, in fact my Sun is right on his ASC. And he has Aries Moon, that is one firey Capricorn!

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posted November 13, 2010 12:33 AM         

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find out the time the sun was rising that day and use that as their birth time instead.

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posted November 13, 2010 01:46 AM         

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Awesome

So it's a certainty that you're on his radar

Is his Moon clicking with any of your Fire planets?

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posted November 13, 2010 08:29 PM         

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Yeah his Aries Moon is right on my Mars/ conjunct the IC and trine my Sun and Mercury! Yeah his Aries Moon is right on my Mars/ conjunct the IC and trine my Sun and Mercury!

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posted November 13, 2010 08:47 PM         

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Yup, I'd typically sort of do what Lonake does.
Especially the guessing which house the sun is in and which is the chart ruler thing. All the positions of the personal planets will help a lot, I think. And of course, how they look can sometimes help, although this can be influenced by other things aside from the ascendant!
If there is anything else about them that stands out... like, they are quite sentimental about possessions, maybe they have a moon in 2nd, try it out, see if everything falls into place.
I'm no expert at this, though... you have to know your stuff to make an educated guess.

edit: sorry, just seen you've already got your answer!

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posted November 13, 2010 08:52 PM         

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"you have to know your stuff to make an educated guess."

Yea, or know your chart enough to know which aspects brings up which feeling in you. Typically they repeat, more or less, for the same person in the same way, because it will keep making the same aspects to your chart.
Like for me I can tell for example if something is in early Aries, because it will be making a grand trine with my asc & uranus, and i know the exact energy that comes from that. As in 'Ooh I know you have early Aries goin on, where is it...?' then bam after i get their deets, there ya go.

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posted November 14, 2010 03:10 PM         

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Especially the guessing which house the sun is in and which is the chart ruler thing. All the positions of the personal planets will help a lot, I think.

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Mutable, its so true, when I was trying to guess this Goats ASC. I kept feeling some 6th house/ Virgo energy. And low and behold his Sun and Mercury are in the 6th, and his ASC. is in Leo, so its very promient in his chart, plus he is quite well adjusted with his Aries Moon exactly trine his ASC.

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And of course, how they look can sometimes help, although this can be influenced by other things aside from the ascendant!

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I was totally off on this one, this Goat looks nothing like a Leo ASC. He looks very watery, so that is why I never guessed Leo Asc.

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posted November 15, 2010 11:53 PM         

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Honestly I think it's really hard to tell...appearances and the way a person expresses themselves is affected by planets that may fall in the 1st house so that makes it hard to isolate the ASC. Something I've found helpful though, is picking a planet you relate to in a very accessible way and trying to feel out how it expresses itself in relation to the person in question. For example, the Moon is a good one for a relationship where you are close to another person so think about what you want to care for the other person or help them with. For example, if you feel like you care about their career and public reputation most likely your Moon is in their 10th house. Once you do one planet, try seeing if other overlays make sense to you- so if your Moon is overlaying their 10th for example, see if your Venus corresponds with their house (what do you love about them/find attractive about them? does it make sense with the overlay?)

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posted November 16, 2010 12:43 AM         

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So Venus in someone's 7th, for example, you'd love how the 7th house person approaches relationships?
I read synastry houses the other way around..now I have to look and see where my Venus falls in their charts to see if this makes sense for me.

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posted November 16, 2010 01:00 AM         

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I think the house person feels it most readily but the Venus person can notice what domain of life that energy in them is directed towards in the other person. It might not be that you love their way of relating, although that could very well be true...unless you maybe have something natally going on with your Venus that inhibits it...but I think you would notice, especially over time, that your sense of love and what you value "lands," so to speak, in the part of the person that has to do with relating one on one. Mercury is probably another good one, like if your Mercury falls in their 7th- Mercury is what you tend to talk about so you'll want to talk about how the person relates in one on one relationships or you may just find that the matters you think about a lot have to do with this person's sense of relating.

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