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Benedict Moon*
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posted November 20, 2010 05:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Benedict Moon*     Edit/Delete Message
...between inner planets and outers.


As a rule, do we always identify with one part of the square and completely reject/project the other one? Is there anyone around here who feels they integrate both planets of their most important square? Spill, por favor.

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posted November 20, 2010 06:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Geocosmic* Valentine     Edit/Delete Message
Usually the inner planet feels overly controlled or tightened (Saturn), shocked and anxious (Uranus) suppressed, shamed, confused, poisoned, deceived (Neptune), or pressured, turned inside out, probed, investigated beyond reason (Pluto).

Example: I have Saturn square Moon, there is a strong control factor placed on my 2nd House and 3rd House issues because Moon rules both of those houses in my chart. Unless I'm very strict with my finances, they dry up. My sense of self-worth can dry up as well unless I remind myself constantly that Saturn square Moon also suggests ambition and business know-how. There are many maternal issues, I was deprived of my mother at the age of 13, but not completely because my 4th House is ruled by Sun and I have Jupiter square Sun, so I can also have an over-abundance of Mom as well.

As you may have seen in the other thread about grammar and language and me talking about the rules, well, say hello to my Saturn square Moon. Moon ruling 3rd house of communication, correspondance, frame of mind and mind set. I must have rules of communication for myself and I don't demand it in others, but I need (Moon rules your reigning needs) it from others, it's probably why I ignore posts with all lower case writing. Last but not least, in the 1st half of my life, there was a lot of depression, but I've learned how to turn it around when it hits, reminding myself that depression is wisdom learned through duress. Duress is a necessity in life and kicking into energetic high gear and ambition usually wipes out the depression. I learned how to do it through astrology and I'm grateful

As for how Moon affects Saturn, I couldn't really say because my Saturn is conjunct Mercury and it's strongly Quindecile my Uranus-Pluto conjunction which a very long story in itself and I'm still learning to identify how it affects my chart, life and behaviors.

Does that help?

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raspberri
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posted November 20, 2010 06:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for raspberri     Edit/Delete Message
Hmm I don't have squares to outer planets...

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Benedict Moon*
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posted November 20, 2010 06:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Benedict Moon*     Edit/Delete Message
Geo that makes sense to me, especially with how you combined it in relation to the rest of the chart. Overall, it seems like saturnian things (like structure) are a big part of what your needs (moon). So there's one debunk of the projection-by-default theory!


I only asked because that seems to be the idea that we have trouble identifying with both parts of the Square simultaneously is a common school of thought and I have to admit that I'm guilty as charged with my Mars/Saturn/Uranus square. =__= The most literal manifestation: I've gotten 3 speeding tickets this year alone because I go with mars (and uranus) more often. *I've also seen/met other people with Mars/Saturn square and its interesting that I can point out which planet is more dominant (on outward impression, atleast).

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posted November 20, 2010 06:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for enchantress299     Edit/Delete Message
I think I have a very hard time distinguishing the different parts of my squares and how they effect me because I have so damn many.

I think the one I generally feel the most clearly is Uranus squaring my Venus/Sun. I am super independent and though I have a need for closeness with other people, I tend to keep at least an emotional distance for a long time. I don't like it when others cramp my style. I do feel like both energies are important, but I do feel like I tend to favor my Uranus/Jupiter over my Venus a lot of the time. It doesn't help that my chart ruler, Pluto is in Libra in my 11th house. That just adds to it.

However, my full list of squares is as follows:

T-square: Jupiter/Uranus (1st in Sagittarius) opposing Chiron (7th in Gemini) squaring Venus/MC/Sun (9th/10th in Virgo)

Neptune Rx square Mercury (Because I am so Virgoan, and because my Neptune is Rx, I don't usually feel like I have cloudy communications with others, though there are times when I do).

Saturn square Mars (tentatively; it's an 8 degree orb and usually that seems to large to me; I don't feel like I feel the influence of it that much).

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posted November 20, 2010 07:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Geocosmic* Valentine     Edit/Delete Message
The only thing I can think of with the Saturn issue is this:

Moon rules 2nd House - a financial house
Saturn rules 8th House - a financial house. (Saturn also rules 9th but a different story).

I've had severe problems with debt (stemming from paying for college [9th House-higher education] and other college related finances). I've declared bankruptcy in the past. Not only that, if you consider that the Moon waxes & wanes, a little bit of that ebb & flow energy happens with the finances as well when Moon rules 1 of the financial houses.

It wasn't until I seriously put God/a higher power in charge of my finances did things begin to straighten out, but it's a daily "discipline" that MUST be adhered to.

As for 9th House, as hard as I have tried, I have never finished my higher education. I finally stopped trying because I realized I was doing it based on the social pressures of our society. Astrology helped me discover that it might not be meant for me. I also learned that I already have more "higher education" than most people who have become professional students. Saturn again, brings in the 8th House value issues with connected with higher education, but Saturn shows me that I already have the wisdom that I would have gleaned from higher education.

Not only that, it turns out that I have the equivalent of a Harvard education in astrology (Uranus quindecile Saturn) through my astrology instructor who has a degree in psychology/anthropology at Harvard and taught us the principals and philosophies they impart.

How frickin' wild is that?! LOOOOOOL!!! So all these years that I worried about not being educated and it turns out that I've had it all along, and it freaks me out when I'm fully aware through circumstances that I experience.

A degree would be nice to have, but when I think about it in a spiritual way, it seems that the world of Higher Education is a "ritual" I've already been through in previous lives and there's no need to go through it again.

EEEEEEEXHAAAAAAAAALE...

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posted November 20, 2010 07:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for raspberri     Edit/Delete Message
Geo what do you think about Taurus Moon opposition Scorpio Saturn?

Moon is in 1st house
Saturn in in 7th house

Moon rules IC (using placidus)
Saturn rules MC

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posted November 20, 2010 07:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for The Duke     Edit/Delete Message
i've found that it works both ways but the placement in the houses tends to be quite significant either way.. whether it is a self house or an other related house, i mean..

with any aspect in the chart, consider most of the things in it magnetized and some switch polarities from time to time making one more prominent than the other but.. just as they magnetize, u can magnetize along with them and attract the other most of the time through other people or outer circumstances.

so, someone with mercury square saturn.. they may be all saturn one minute and run into constant chatter and everything moving at a very fast paced the next and it's because that part of them, they're not working on.. if they work on the mercury on the other hand, they encounter the red tape.

the best way to work on them both is to find a way to work them in a healthy way. transit willing, gems also prove to be one of those healthy ways. so for someone with mercury square saturn (ex.) they may not run into any of the red tape or the sudden switch of plans that they suddenly hate if they do things like journal - on the go.

it's just one example and there may be better ways of handling that aspect but i was just using an example.

when the person runs into personalities of either or, i find that it tends to be something influenced by transit (it really is important to pay attention to the positioning of planets when they go from direct to retro and back again along with the dates that they do it on - something to keep in mind people with mercury square saturn) and it then depends on the planets under aspect, the house and u kno.. the chart.

with the stressful aspects, the keyword is: integration. if the person does one at the exclusion of the other, it kind of creates a bit of a blind spot so the person has to be aware of both.

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posted November 20, 2010 07:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Geocosmic* Valentine     Edit/Delete Message
Well, how do you experience it? I only put it that way right now because feel like I just wrote a book on my own, but you're pretty experienced with astrology.

How have you experienced issues with your health - Moon in 1st House and mother - Moo ruling 4th House?

How have you experienced relationships and your public persona - 7th House relationships?

What is your career (business? administration?) and how does your father figure prominently in relationships and career?

When I think of Saturn in or on 7th, I think of Michael Jackson. Although his 7th House is Sagittarius, Saturn sits right on his DSC. That Saturn IS HIS FATHER! That Saturn is all of the security around him through out his entire life, so much so that it hindered his ability to relate to others in a normal way and it also represented his being able to freeze out others when they wouldn't conform to his desires. Lisa Marie recently alluded to this area of his control within their relationship. He was blocked from partnerships (all kinds, not just romantic) and he could block out all kinds of relationships. Mainly for his safety, too much protection equals a natural jail.

Anyway, how do you think you experience these? Remember, Michael's was a severe example.

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posted November 20, 2010 07:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Geocosmic* Valentine     Edit/Delete Message
Hi The Duke,

Just so you know, my 7th thru 10th houses are all empty, but they are all incredibly active through the house rulership system.

Oh, 4th House is empty also.

EDIT: Oh, and I agree with you about the integration of the stressful aspects.

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posted November 20, 2010 07:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for popcorn     Edit/Delete Message
I've t-square moon ,house 11 square my saturn in pisces, house 8

my moon 6 square my merk7 /uran 8(pluto 12) in virgo, house 2.

Even if my swenglish not show that I've 4 year on the universitet and have the luck to be millionare through my investement.

I've painful intuition . I feel strong pain in my stomach when I make wrong descision. I think it's my moon conj nessus .

I got the feeling of depression when I not listening to my self.

My t-square make my life eventful and force me to change.

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posted November 20, 2010 07:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for raspberri     Edit/Delete Message
Geo,

well It's not me, it's a x'friend' of mine. He isn't allowed to be with a certain person if they aren't what he is... And I think this opposition shows that..

But I feel like his father is a good influence on him his Libra Sun is trine Jupiter.. So I feel that his mother is responsible for this Moon/Saturn. He is a very unemotional person he doesn't know how to show and receive unconditional love. I mean he is a taker, I know that much, but I often worry about him I wonder if he will ever be completely happy...

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posted November 20, 2010 07:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Geocosmic* Valentine     Edit/Delete Message
Raspberri,

That's pretty interesting, especially since his Moon and Saturn both reside in the natural 2nd House and 8th House of the zodiac, meaning Taurus and Scorpio. 2nd House is all about self-worth, Scorpio is about the worth of others and your explaination just hit that nail on the head. The description "unconditional love" and that he won't give it. I'm more apt to look at the condition of his 5th House of giving love and his 11th house of receiving love in that regard.

As I think about it more, 8th House can yield very large finances or tremendous debt and it sounds like he is on the way to depriving himself in a debt-like manner within relationships (Saturn in 7th in Scorpio). Saturn in Scorpio becomes like steel, his he building a steel fence around his ability or willingness to relate? That same Saturn-like steel fence energy is pipe-lined to his Moon in Taurus, another financial sign also a sign of sensuality. He may turn out to be a great business man, but he might substitute business for love. Don't be surprised if he becomes - like - a giant billionaire or something, but never has a happy relationship or marriage. Sure, he might marry, for the look of it on the outside, but when cameras are off, what will the relationship really be like.

Interesting.

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posted November 20, 2010 07:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for raspberri     Edit/Delete Message
Yeah he has Venus conjunct Mars in Virgo in the 5th houses but his 11th houses is empty...

Does this mean he can give love? Because in my experience he cant.


His parents do have money, but I don't know if he would be a billionaire. He isn't the sharpest knife in the drawer. I think he envies me because we have Venus conjunct Chiron in Gemini (me being Venus) and even though he will not admit it, I know that he thinks I'm so smart and he can't handle it.

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posted November 21, 2010 04:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lonake     Edit/Delete Message
My strongest square is Moon sq Pluto (1), and it's integrated not projected.

I see the oppositions as being the projected un-owned energy. Either with planets or with angles, it's the opposing forces at work simply, so prior to integration it will lean heavily on one side or the other in attempt to find balance. Only integrating both sides will bring equilibrium.

Like I said my strongest is Moon square Pluto. And it's the Moon so it sometimes operates in funny strange subconscious dimensions, strong emotions building up from out of nowhere (it's not really out of nowhere they've just been unexpressed for a while), and strong likes and dislikes. A need for security that feels as if my life is being threatened (a memory from the past). In general it just brings back these memories that I want to forget, but apparently on some level I want them to stick around because they keep intruding. Invasive thoughts.
Pluto conj Ic, Moon in the 6th.
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Geocosmic wrote,
"pressured, turned inside out, probed, investigated beyond reason (Pluto)."
This was true for me while growing up, my emotional reality was probed and my sensitivities used against me for manipulative purposes. So obviously yeah I'm not gonna be too eager to share as an adult. Pretty wary on that front. Then again I learned through that experience how to manipulate others via gaining access to their inner world, some of it intuitive, some of it through their confiding in me. I will say that manipulation can be positive or negative, depending on how its power is wielded. I'm generally quick now to snap any of it in the bud, and if I see someone trying to use that method on me in a negative sense, I will turn it around and confuse them with it so that they can't see straight. Just as a lesson, mind. And the lesson is directly in line with how underhandedly designed their thinking process became. No more, no less.

Moon rules my 12th, but I don't see that relating to my situation. I feel the Pluto conj the Ic more acutely.
Scorpio is intercepted in the 4th, so Pluto isn't ruling any of my houses.
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Another is Sun sq Uranus (2.5).
I experienced this, looking back now, through my father. But it's in me now. It's basically wanting to be close, and then rushing about needing space, all of a sudden feeling unable to breathe.
Sun rules my Asc, Uranus rules my Dsc.
So I struggle with intimacy in terms of whether I truly desire a partnership or not. Usually it takes the form of wanting a relationship when none is around, and wanting to flee when the reality of relating comes to the fore. For example there's this friend whom I've come to know through work and while we were chatty everything was fine, and now that he's asked to spend Thanksgiving with me, I'm shaking in my boots. He's an Aquarian Sun, Venus, Mars, etc. so I think he gets a bit about what I'm going through.
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I have one other square to an outer,
Venus sq Pluto (1)

I guess for giggles we're adding Saturn here,
Venus sq Saturn (4)
Moon sq Saturn (6)

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posted November 21, 2010 06:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Benedict Moon*     Edit/Delete Message
Interesting, everyone. Thanks for your thoughts!

Lonake: that's interesting you say that about the opposition too because I always thought that could be compromised in a way but I can see it somewhat with my Mercury/Neptune opposition. I was diagnosed with a common learning disability which I think is overused too much (guess which one? haha) and my mother has always wanted to medicate me for it...especially everytime something goes wrong. Like for instance when I got the 3rd speeding ticket she was like 'Maybe you should go back on your meds if can't focus enough to control your speed?' I was like...???? I think I have both parts strong in me for the most part though.

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with any aspect in the chart, consider most of the things in it magnetized and some switch polarities from time to time making one more prominent than the other but.. just as they magnetize, u can magnetize along with them and attract the other most of the time through other people or outer circumstances.

so, someone with mercury square saturn.. they may be all saturn one minute and run into constant chatter and everything moving at a very fast paced the next and it's because that part of them, they're not working on.. if they work on the mercury on the other hand, they encounter the red tape.



That sounds alot like what happens to me. I am Mars/Uranus wanting to do what I want to...only to encounter saturn in other people or circumstances. Saturn is my Chart Ruler and in the 12th house so it seems like some cosmic force that makes a bad day even worse...haha. Then of course, the depression sets in after feeling my will being blocked.

EDIT: I also completely agree that integration is the key. Something where both planets would be satisfied. I know in my case, sports and exercise is probably a good remedy.

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posted November 21, 2010 06:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for joyrjw     Edit/Delete Message
I have
Saturn Square Sun:

SATURN PARALLEL, CONJUNCTION, SQUARE OR OPPOSITION TO THE SUN has a very detrimental effect where the resistance is fundamentally low; in Gemini and Sagittarius it gives a tendency to tuberculosis. It does least damage in the fixed signs where resistance is greatest, but even there when sickness gets a grip on the person it hangs on like grim death, for it lessens the power of the body to throw off disease quickly, hence recuperation is very slow.

These aspects are extremely adverse to that which is generally termed success, but they give an abundance of experience, so they are excellent from the standpoint of the soul. It may be truly said of the person who has them, that "the best-laid plans of mice and men gang aft agley," for no matter how carefully he may plan his affairs he will be subject to delays and obstacles which thwart his desires.

His marriage is unhappy and is likely to end in divorce or early death of the partner. He had difficulty in finding and keeping employment, trouble with employers and authorities, a felling as if he were held in leash all his life and denied expression in any direction.

These are the outward experiences but they are generated by the inner nature, and until that changes he must suffer the whiplash of necessity. In the first place he has a tendency to crawl into a shell and shut himself in and others out. He is a pessimist and a kill-joy, has little or no regard for the feelings of others and is very obstinate. In the horoscope of a woman such an aspect signifies marriage to one much older who will hold her with a very tight rein; it augurs death of the husband and often several marriages which are ended by death or divorce.

These configurations often bring legacies, but either there is trouble and litigation over the bequests, or the person squanders the estate after he receives it. If Saturn is in his exaltation sign, Libra, the latter part of the life may be better because the person may have taken the lessons of life to heart and mended his ways.

Neptune Square Moon:
I tend to day dream alot. I'm also psychic to a degree.NEPTUNE SQUARE OR OPPOSITION TO THE MOON is also an indication of soul qualities similar to those of the good aspects, but under the former configurations the person will be of a negative nature and is apt to become the prey of spirit-controls and subjected to mediumship, therefore he should not attend seances.



Saturn Square Jupiter:

The square from Jupiter to Saturn indicates problems in self-awareness. You tend to put yourself down when you compare your capabilities to the skills of other people. The fact is, you are trying to avoid your responsibilities to yourself and to those persons who depend on you. Parental influence played an important role in your lack of self-esteem; your early conditioning led you to believe the you were less competent than others and that you had to yield to those who were 'obviously' more talented. Now your actions show that you lack the courage to persist in spite of adversity. You feel you don't have the right to expect anything worthwhile for yourself. You have little hope for success, but this is just lazy self-indulgence and is inexcusable.

Stop making comparisons with other people's accomplishments; you have your own. You have a vast storehouse of information with which to gain your objectives, but you must formulate them yourself. Once you've established goals, prepare a program for achieving them, and adhere to it. Try to focus on one thing at a time, and direct all your resources and energy toward that. Stop making excuses for yourself and realize that only hard work will pay you any dividends.

You could become successful in such fields as law, education, physical therapy, or the ministry. The demands of these occupations may tax your endurance and cause periodic setbacks, but you must persist with great determination. It is important for you to be able to look back with satisfaction on occasional successes and realize that you are capable of much more. You will encounter resistance from superiors, and you may have to endure many indignities for the sake of job security. Acquiring the credentials that attest to your competence will mark a milestone in your development.

You will have to learn the hard way that accomplishment comes from a lot of hardship and self-denial. There is no easy road to victory for you. Don't make any agreements that you can't fulfill, and don't sign any contracts that go beyond the limits of your abilities. Give yourself the opportunity to reach your goals. Yours is a bittersweet destiny with many highs and lowsm progress and reversals; but you will always move toward realization and fulfillment.

Faith is your greatest ally when nothing else seems to work for you. It can sustain you through your most difficult periods, and comfort you when you reach your goals with assurance that you have done your job well.

Uranus Square Saturn:

The main theme of this square is the likely dominance of the Saturn qualities and a repression of the Uranus ones, with a personality expression being restricted by responding to the Saturn viewpoint on life.

This will be seen in a preference for the familiar and known, both in a ready acceptance of social convention (which in its reactionary phase is often rooted in a backwards-looking perception of a 'return to a golden age'), and in the desire for a personal life lived in a controlled, predictable manner and in a stable environment. The personal identity will be focused within strictly defined parameters, with self-imposed limitations on freedom of choice and action, wrapped around with concepts of allowable thoughts, emotions and physical acts. Much of this is a protective guard against the actual insecurity of life, and emerges from a personality that is afraid to relax fully and which is inwardly insecure.

Difficulties may arise in life when you are attempting to solve problems by applying existing attitudes which then fail to work. You often find the need for change deeply disturbing, and have an intuitive fear that if you allow that process to occur, then your life would fall apart. When you have to make decisions regarding new situations, you can find it hard to make a final choice, unless you discover a way to do so which reinforces your existing attitudes and preferences; if it involves a new direction, then you become uneasy, trying to find a way to retreat back towards your old familiar patterns.

In those attempts to impose control on life, you can be too dictatorial or authoritarian in your relations with others, perhaps through an insistence upon your point of view being right, or in having everything done in an established manner without deviation. Your life can become highly patterned, locking you into a circumscribed experience of life. This can define your identity for you, offering a way for you to evade those feelings of insecurity and lack of real confidence; but this will restrict you taking advantage of many opportunities in life. Often, you seek social status or approval in order to gain a reflected sense of self-worth.

Denying the Uranian vibration of change can lead to problems of life adaptation and inner tensions, especially as there will be an underlying struggle between an affinity with traditional patterns and an attraction and fear of something new being released into your life. Saturn will embody the more inflexible end of the square; and if you begin to respond to Uranus (or a transit stimulates its activity), then these inhibiting patterns will begin to be eroded and destroyed. Part of you - a repressed aspect - would secretly love to break free of all binding ties, to become unconventional and liberated; if the pressures rise too strongly, then attempts to throw off self-imposed shackles may be made, just to release the tensions. Marriages and careers can be destroyed through such activity, with the end result being a collapse of existing patterns with no real comprehension of how to build a more suitable lifestyle, and just a feeling of an inner void and loss of direction being common. Ongoing transformation is the wisest course of action, as the transitions move more smoothly and the person is capable of slowly adjusting to new ways in a more harmonious manner, integrating the arising new tendencies more successfully and easily.

Even within these Saturnine confines, the Uranian undercurrent is at work. The operation of your mind - where you focus yourself in order to control life - is more inconsistent and contradictory than you believe. Others probably notive this; but you will oppose any attempts to point this out to you, in your belief in your logic and rationality. Yet in the background of your mind lurk those more eccentric ideas, thoughts, desires and emotions that you rarely acknowledge. Sometimes, the strains of living with denied aspects can make you touchy in relationships, where people have to treat you in certain ways so as to avoid 'triggering those buttons' which stimulate areas in you that you choose not to explore. For real health, these need to rise into the light, so that the pressures and energies can be released, and that you can integrate parts of your being. If you choose not to, it is likely that at some point in life, Uranus will erupt with a vengeance, and sweep away all those pretences, patterns and controlled lifestyle, forcing you to confront your denied selves and to change.

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posted November 21, 2010 10:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for letram     Edit/Delete Message
this is an interesting question for me because iv got mostly squares in my natal chart, including a grand cross.

Geo, i have Moon Square Saturn too, Moon is in Aries ruling my 12th house and rests in my 9th house.

my Saturn is in the 5th/6th house.

i wonder how my 12th house themes are affected?


in my natal chart, i have venus square saturn/uranus/jupiter.

sigh i just dont know, i got too many squares to think about this.

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posted November 21, 2010 12:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Benedict Moon*     Edit/Delete Message
Wow, Letram, you have all those squares to your Venus? Do you have issues with your blood sugar?

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posted November 21, 2010 01:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for letram     Edit/Delete Message
blood sugar? im not sure

sometimes iv wondered if i should get a full check up because iv had lots of lethargic feelings, lack of energy, sometimes dizzi spells quite often from getting up from sitting down.. makes me wonder.

the only problem i have iin my blood is a sickle cell trait desease.

thats kinda similar effect to anemia i think.


squares i have:

Moon in Aries Oppose Venus in Libra that both mutually square:

Jupiter in cancer
Saturn in Capricorn

Venus tight square to uranus. (capricorn
Moon Tight Square to Neptune (capricorn

they are too wide to mutually square (neptune is at 9 cappy, venus at 2 libra, moon at 8 aries etc)

Moon in Aries Square - Neptune/Jupiter/Saturn
Venus in Libra Square - Uranus/Jupiter/Saturn

orbs of 7 are considered too wide apparently for my venus to square my neptune ,and my moon to square uranus. but sometimes iv read descriptions and the shoe does FIT a bit.

my moon/venus is afflicted by outer planets.

pluto only squares my ASC but thats not a planet.

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posted November 21, 2010 01:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for letram     Edit/Delete Message
Venus rulse my 4th housE (IC in libra)

and Saturn squares my Venus, what could this mean if saturn also squares my Moon? a strong saturn strain on 4th house/moon themes, it also opposes Jupiter which is my only planet in Cancer.

My moon depositor (Mars) rests in Virgo which trines saturn, so sometimes i wonder how this works.

because i definitely believe in depositors.

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posted November 21, 2010 03:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Benedict Moon*     Edit/Delete Message
But you do have a blood disorder...interesting. I asked because I remembered hearing that an afflicted Venus is an indication of either impaired blood glucose levels or just blood problems in general.

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posted November 22, 2010 01:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lonake     Edit/Delete Message
I don't have a blood disorder, my health is perfect.
Afflicted Venus in the 6th (square Mars/Saturn/Pluto) ~ always had great health.

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posted November 22, 2010 06:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Benedict Moon*     Edit/Delete Message
Well its not exactly set in stone, just an indicator in alot of charts.

I think writesomething was the first one to bring it up. My grandmother had a tight Venus/Jupiter Square and was a Type 1 Diabetic...that's where my interest first came up. Alot of distant relatives carry or have the sickle cell trait too, though I haven't been able to look at their charts. Anyways, its interesting nonetheless but that's a medical astrology question for another day.

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posted November 23, 2010 03:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lonake     Edit/Delete Message
Ahh Venus/Jupiter. Could be the culprit..

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