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Topic: Lilith-Moon-Pluto synastry
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plutoprincess
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Registered: May 2009
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posted November 25, 2010 06:22 PM
 
My question is this :What can a lilith-moon-pluto tight cinjunction bring in a synastry? (Male lilith in 5th - female moon, pluto in 1st)
Can it replace the lack of Venus-Mars aspects? Is it good or bad?
I have read that both lilith and pluto bring out power issues... IP: Logged |
Lucia23
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posted November 25, 2010 06:38 PM
With any tight-orbed Pluto conjunction to any planet (and I would assume, asteroid), it can bring up feeling of obsession. Sometimes the Pluto person expresses it, sometimes the non-Pluto person, and sometimes both (or it goes back and forth)...I'm not sure how significant Lilith is. But each natal chart is more important than the synastry. Not knowing the whole charts, I would guess that the female with the natal Moon-Pluto conjunction in the first could develop one-sided obsessive feelings for the male in this case...obsessive in the sense that she might look for reciprocation from him to validate her self-image (1st house). Or have an "I'll make him want me" or "He SHOULD want me" controlling feeling about the connection. Then again, Lilith conjuncting that Moon-Pluto in the first might not even be needed to trigger that. Because her Hades moon is always how she expresses her emotionality, chances are she would tend towards that pattern in all of her romantic relationships. For the man, maybe his fifth-house Lilith would be triggered by the conjunction, though, making him interested in engaging with her on that level, drawn into it. IP: Logged |
Lucia23
Knowflake Posts: 1797
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posted November 25, 2010 06:45 PM
Re: Mars-Venus...I think, in the absence of other synastry factors, Mars-Venus in a romantic connection is likelier to lead to actual, real-life sex and consummation than Pluto-anything.Pluto can lead to a strong feeling of chemistry/intensity/obsessive engagement that's sometimes unconsummated or one-sided, or that gets drowned in power struggles. If there aren't really strong personal-planet ties in the synastry to mitigate it, Pluto's power can drawf the couple's ability to truly mutually connect. Even after a relationship is in progress (if it somehow gets off the ground), it can devolve into just that Plutonic energy being expressed. That happened to me and my ex...our synastry was soooo Plutonic that, even though we had real love/connection/a nice start, and aspects like an exact Sun-Venus conjunction, with two Hades Moons, each of us with lots of 8th house stuff, and my Pluto conjunct his Sun-Pluto, the relationship ended up being taken over entirely by Pluto. IP: Logged |
GrlyGirl20
Knowflake Posts: 293
From: USA
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted November 25, 2010 08:01 PM
"relationship ended up being taken over entirely by Pluto"What do you mean by this? Can you elaborate more on this? I've never understood what people mean when they say a relationship was taken over by Pluto or Neptune, etc. IP: Logged |
Lucia23
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posted November 25, 2010 08:14 PM
I mean that instead of other dynamics, the main theme of the relationship ends up being power struggles, obsession, and struggles around (often sexual) control. One or both people is more intent on controlling the emotionally heavy situation than on actually being together. The quality of emotion can be intense--often for only one of the people, or for both but not at the same time--but the energy and openness needed to come together is eclipsed by a Plutonian dynamic, of trying to "get" the other person to do or be something. Obsession and control eclipse real, mutual, open-hearted connection and love.With Neptune, the energy has to do with idealizing the other and being (temporarily) blinded to the real person, and to the real, underlying dynamics of the relationship. It can lead to delusional thinking ("S/he's my Soul Mate, we have Perfect love")...when it lasts a week, or isn't even reciprocated. Fantasy eclipses reality. With Saturn, the dynamic is usually more mutual...in the synastries I've looked at, heavy-Saturn connections very often flourish into a real relationship, because Saturn touching or being touched makes things feel serious. But often the person who is being touched by the other's Saturn (as in A's Sun conjunct B's Saturn) can feel wounded/criticized/judged by the Saturn person...while the Saturn person can feel a frustrated/frustrating need to help the Sun person "improve." Depending on the natals, a synastry can end up being dominated by one kind of aspect or dynamic. IP: Logged |
popcorn
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Registered: Aug 2009
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posted November 25, 2010 10:19 PM
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