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joyrjw
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posted November 29, 2010 07:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for joyrjw     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi There,

I've only heard a little about the infamous Quindecile aspect (165') and I'm curious how it might play out in people's charts.

Also,from what I've read there's a 24 degree quindecile, which I guess is the original one and expresses itself in a more positive light. I'm curious about that one too.:-)


For the 165 degree quindecile...I have Jupiter quindecile Neptune (expanded efforts towards spirituality maybe)
and Neptune quindecile Ascendant (obsession with expressing spirituality or creativity through outward appearance ?)

For the 24 degree quindecile....Mercury quindecile NN 26'38(creative communication that leads to/helps spiritual path?), Mars quindecile NN 24'13(creative drive that leads to spiritual path?) Uranus quindecile Pluto 25'21 (creative transformation or transformation through creativity?)
http://www.skyscript.co.uk/forums/viewtopic.php?t=4828&start=30&sid=ec62553a7c734c50431510a3a288df79

Quote: "By way of providing evidence that James Wilson is far from being the only major astrological writer who has drawn attention to the 15th harmonic aspect of 24 degrees, which Wilson called the quindecile, I wish to point out that John Addey devotes almost three pages of his extremely well-known modern work 'Harmonics in Astrology' (1976) to expressly speaking of the importance of the 24 degree aspect in astrology. See pp. 172-174. I shall quote just the first paragraph but believe this piece of recent history penned by a widely respected leader in modern astrological research in the mid-late 20th century undermines any claim to the 165 degree aspect being regarded as 'the useful quindecile' or similar in modern practice.

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One very important derivative of the quintile series which is almost entirely ignored, as a rule, is the third sub-harmonic of the quintile, which gives us the aspect of 24º and its multiples. This is the fifteenth harmonic, the third of the fifth or the fifth of the third. Figure 60 shows the aspect angles involved. It will be seen that this series includes the angles of 72º, 120º and 144º with which we are familiar but also the angles 24º, 48º, 96º and 168º which are not customarily used or understood but which are certainly important and can now be given quite a definite meaning in the horoscope."
http://bobmarksastrologer.net/forums/viewtopic.php?p=114009&sid=5cdc7519f3bf0f45424e303a3370eed3

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joyrjw
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posted November 29, 2010 07:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for joyrjw     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
http://www.noeltyl.com/techniques/990801.html


Management of Measurement Constructs

The Quindecile Aspect
Some four years ago, I resurrected the quindecile aspect from a passing reference to it in early writings of Thomas Ring, a brilliant German astrologer-theoretician early in this century. The aspect's drama and significance in life development are absolutely compelling. The passionate nature of the aspect led me to pronounce it, in all my lectures through many countries and in all my articles, in the Italian way: quin-deh-chee'-leh. The British 'quin-dehss-aisle' is simply too sterile for the power of this aspect. I'm delighted that the Italian way has caught on everywhere!

"Quin-deh-chee'-leh" is the Latinate word for fifteen, referring to the fifteen-degree increments of all aspects in the 24th harmonic (360/24=15: 15, 30, 45, 60, 75, 90, 105, 120, 135, 150, 165, 180. Of these aspects, all but the 105 and 165 are already covered (named) by existing aspect references. Research showed the 105 to be unreliable, inconclusive, insignificant, and boring; research showed conclusively, adamantly, that the 165 is an aspect of unrelenting moitvation, obsession, determination, upheaval, disruption, even separation. I have studied the quindecile now in some 900-1,000 cases.

Easy to See: the quindecile on paper in a horoscope looks like an "almost opposition." Test it with your eye: add fifteen degrees to one of the planets (or subtract); does this bring the two planets into opposition? If it does, it is a quindecile! I.e., the quindecile is 15 degrees less than or more than an opposition. --I recommend a tight orb: 2 to 2.5 degrees; the theory being, the tighter the orb, the fewer the aspects, the more reliable the aspects at hand.

One or more quindecile aspects are found in probably 85% of all horoscopes. The quindecile, with rulership routings to be respected as well, suggests a burning point of focus, often a place of extreme concern and effort in the life, even to the point of upheaval, disruption, and obsessive mania.

Arnold Schwarzeneggar (July 30, 1947 at 4:10 AM CED in Graz, Austria) has four quindecile aspects, most issuing from his Capricorn Moon in his 6th House: the lethal workaholic driving himself into prominence (qd the Ascendant; qd Mars, co-ruler of the MC; Uranus conjunct Mars); his Neptune, ruling the MC is qd the MC! Schwarzeneggar is a self-made man of prodigious achievements, in business an uncannily as well in the movies, the profession of illusion.

General Norman Schwarzkopf (August 22, 1934 at 4:45 AM EDT in Trneton, NJ) also has four quindecile aspects! Also from a Capricorn Moon in the 6th, we see Moon qd Ascendant; we see Saturn retrograde (the paternal phenomenological insight measurement) also qd the Ascendant (the motivation for the drive and belligerence. The complex is also part of the profile of his prostate cancer illness (see Tyl, "Astrological Timing of Critical Illness").

----In fact, the sub-generation of males with Saturn-quindecile Pluto natally has an inordinately high predispoition to prostate cancer.

Prince Charles (November 14, 1948 at 9:14 PM GMT in London, England) has a qd between Neptune-Venus in the 4th and his singleton Moon in the 10th (conjunct the Nodal axis!), clearly showing a mania, a disruption, a disillusionment, separation, upheaval with regard to his mother, to feminine ideals, all linked to tensions in the home.

Princess Diana (July 1, 1961 at 7:45 PM GMD in Sandringham, England) had Mercury retrograde, ruler of her 7th (and 9th), qd her Ascendant focusing a tremendous relationship anxiety through her mind and nervous system, affecting her health center. Her 10th House Neptune made a qd with her Venus in Taurus, ruler of her MC and 5th (final dispositor of the horoscope) focusing a remendous bewilderment and unsureness into relationships, romance --a preoccupied passion to have relationships and to doubt them or be let down by them at the same time, and much more.

Marilyn Monroe (June 1, 1926 at 9:30 AM PST in Los Angeles, CA) had her isolated and intensified Saturn retrograde qd her Midheaven: how the tragic circumstances of her father-lack drove itself into overcompensatory professional exploits, father surrogates etc! --That same Saturn was qd Mercury in Gemini, ruling the 11th (the need for love) and the 2nd (self-worth). paralleling a lifelong depression that eventually led to suicide.

It goes on and on. --Astrologer Ricki Reeves, an honors graduate of my Master's Degree Certification Course, has become an expert with the quindecile. She lectured on the quindecile at ASTRO2000 last April in Denver, Colorado, and stole the show! A packed lecture room and tape sales topped all other lectures tape sales by 8 to 1! She is writing a book on the quindecile, which will probably be published by Llewellyn in a year. Ricki came up with a glyph for the aspect: an oval with a line down the center, leaving the oval to the lower right as a lightning bolt! The glyph is beautiful, powerful, and easy to draw; she is presenting it to software manufacturers for inclusion in their packages.

That's the quindecile, a powerful avenue of insight for dynamic analysis. It's here to stay.

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Geocosmic* Valentine
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posted November 29, 2010 08:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Geocosmic* Valentine     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I interpret the Quindecile in every consultation. I find it to be as strong and tense as conjunctions and/or squares, whether in natal charts or transits, progressions, and Solar Arcs.

Personally, I have 5 in my chart. One affects my ASC and another affects my Nodal Axis at the north node. I've never concentrated on the "obsession" idea of the aspect, I usually just acknowledge that it's there and interpret whatever action or energy it suggests for houses or signs that are affected.

Quindecile, don't leave home without it.

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joyrjw
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posted November 29, 2010 08:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for joyrjw     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you very much Geocosmic* Valentine,

I like your perspective, it makes it easier to understand quindeciles :-)

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posted November 29, 2010 08:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lioness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I get confused with these..

Which one is 4 and 1/2 signs away?
Which one is 1 1/2 away
Which one is 5 1/2 way...

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joyrjw
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posted November 29, 2010 11:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for joyrjw     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Lioness:
I get confused with these..

Which one is 4 and 1/2 signs away?
Which one is 1 1/2 away
Which one is 5 1/2 way...


Understandable...I get confused too sometimes :-)

A semi square is 1.5 signs apart

A Sesquiquadrate is 4.5 signs apart

I don't know about the 5 1/2 signs apart one.... A quincunx(Inconjunct) is 5 signs apart

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Lioness
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posted November 29, 2010 11:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lioness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks

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joyrjw
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posted November 30, 2010 12:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for joyrjw     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Lioness:
Thanks

You're Welcome

Btw, how do you put the icons into the post?

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Lioness
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posted November 30, 2010 12:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lioness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The smiley face..

smiles = : ) no space
sad = : ( no space

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joyrjw
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posted November 30, 2010 12:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for joyrjw     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Lioness:
The smiley face..

smiles = : ) no space
sad = : ( no space


Oh, ok, I was kind of doing it. Thank you!

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