posted December 03, 2010 07:04 AM            

I read that it can give one a wonderfully creative imagination and a natural ability with the arts. That's all good stuff, and all stuff that I can relate to that has in many ways enriched my life.

However, the other stuff which I have also read much about is this placement giving rise to romantic attractions to unavailable people and/or people who you see as the underdog and need fixing for whatever reason. Basically just generally not seeing people for who they truly are and thinking you have the power to make everything better. Rose-coloured glasses thing I guess.

It seem the Neptunian fog of the fifth house clouds alot in romantic endeavors, and has the propensity to leave you with unrealistic expectations about these people and the relationship that you think you share with them.

In many cases I think it can potentially lead to a shattered heart, where you are standing there wondering if anything that just happened, where you thought something special may have been blooming was infact a real occurrence. Then in my experience, as a result it can make you begin to doubt every instinct and perception relating to the interactions you have with people and the connection and feelings you feel from those interactions. When you stop trusting yourself in this manner, its almost like you reach an unparalleled realm of vulnerability.

I know that personally when I account for my fifth house neptune squaring my first house virgo moon, I have a whole other level of day dreaming and emotional fog to navigate through also, where I find in many cases in a relationship scenario of any type, I end up disappointed. I think I must be too sensitive and my expectations of people are just are too high.

I suppose at the moment I feel like I have much to learn in order to be better equipped to deal with these Neptunian energies, which I guess brings me back to my original question. Do any of you guys have a fifth house Neptune, and have any experiences or advice to offer with regards to navigating relationships and identifying the situational reality more accurately? Please feel free to give me any opinions or advice you have, even if you don't have a fifth house Neptune.

posted December 03, 2010 08:03 AM            

my neptune is right next to the 6th house cusp, but i'v never really been able to relate to the description as i have with it being in my 5th.

i also have moon in aries square neptune in cap.

posted December 03, 2010 08:31 AM            

Personal relationships are often foggy to me. I don't form many personal relationships, I am always a bit detatched so I do not know where I stand with most people. I only know that I help them out by either giving them conscious or unconscious knowledge.

posted December 03, 2010 08:48 AM            

I guess I'm just identifying how I think my 5th house Neptune has been playing out in my life, seemingly rather not so well in the relationship arena.

So my question is really just wanting to know if other with this placement have had similar experiences and found that when it comes to personal relationships, particularly romantic ones, does it seem like its fogged up and you don't ever quite see people and the situation for what it truly is? Do you find yourself with really high expectations of people which almost begs for disappointment?

And I suppose knowing this about yourself, how is it that you navigate interactions and connections?

posted December 03, 2010 05:01 PM            

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Originally posted by Amphitrite:
Hey BanxManx

I guess I'm just identifying how I think my 5th house Neptune has been playing out in my life, seemingly rather not so well in the relationship arena.

So my question is really just wanting to know if other with this placement have had similar experiences and found that when it comes to personal relationships, particularly romantic ones, does it seem like its fogged up and you don't ever quite see people and the situation for what it truly is? Do you find yourself with really high expectations of people which almost begs for disappointment?

And I suppose knowing this about yourself, how is it that you navigate interactions and connections?

Amph

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Well, once again I haven't had many close relationships in my life. My last relationship with a woman was more of a long distance thing but I am pretty good at seeing situations in their true light, so no I don't have a problem at viewing my relationships for what they are.

posted December 03, 2010 11:36 PM            

I often fall in love with what I want to believe about someone, not for who they really are. I want to see the best in others and in life, and this has left me very sadly disillusioned many times.

I am very creative, a big dreamer, and am thankful for those gifts. But, I would trade this placement for the chance at seeing romance for what it really is, rather than going through the neptune fog over and over.

I also feel this placement is hard for others, too. People do not see Neptune as cruel as Pluto, but in a sense, it is...

How hard is it to be our partners, to have someone love them in that deep, romantic Neptunian way, only to have us recoil and grow cold once "the reality" hits us smack in the face?

Often, I can see how fickle and piscean I've been in love. I also have Venus in Pisces, so this compounds the problem.

I am also over the romance and elusive allure of love in general, and try to keep myself as practical and grounded, at this point.

Thanks to good old Pluto conjunct Neptune transit, and a Pluto sextile Venus transit, I met up with a complete psychopath who I was unable to truly SEE until it was too late.

3 years later I am still repairing my life.

Anyways. I have learned my karmic lesson from the Neptune in 5th house, so hopefully I can just enjoy the benefits from now on.

HOPEFULLY.

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The good is the beautiful.

posted December 04, 2010 12:24 AM            

I am really happy for you that Neptune in the 5th hasn't given you any problems for viewing you relationships for what they really are. I was wondering do you have any hard aspects from Neptune to any of your personal planets?

I understand that is definitely not ideal to go into anything with high expectations, because you are asking for disappointment. I do recognize that. However I do think people go into relationships with some expectations. I suppose Neptune in the 5th, and particularly in hard aspect to a luminary or personal planet, may play a part in clouding the situation and thereby not allowing you to correctly match the expectations for the level of relationship. It's not a conscious thing as such. I don't necessarily think it's about anybody being directly selfish, and I think if anything it is the Neptune person who finds themselves hurt more often than not.

posted December 04, 2010 12:28 AM            

Yep. I think it is also alot about denial. Like my experiences, you see the lies that they might tell, or the consuming addictions they can't give up, or just general negative behaviours and you sort of choose to turn a blind eye, thinking that you can help them and change them. You can make it all better and the relationship will be great. But it's not. You're just unhappy and you also lose a piece of yourself in the process.

posted December 04, 2010 12:41 AM            

You got it. You have it pegged. This is how I feel about this placement.

Believing what you want to believe.
Being left sadly disillusioned.

I also think you are really right about Neptune being maybe as cruel as Pluto, but on a different level. Neptune is currently transiting my seventh, and I think it has brought my disillusionment in all kinds of relationships to a different level.

I think also having Venus in Pisces would be difficult. Alot of Neptunian energy there. Does your Neptune aspect any personal planets? I have Venus in Scorpio, and this just makes all those times where I see what I want to see in somebody just that little bit more intense. I also have pluto conjunct mercury, so I can get quite ummm obsessive

I want to find that solid ground, and I don't want to lose my head again. I don't want to put myself in that space again. Because it is too much. I want to learn how to keep myself practical and grounded like you say.

I think I have perhaps come out of one of those karmic lessons of Neptune in the 5th as well. It has at least allowed me to recognise my behaviour, so I can attempt to navigate my relationships in a far more positive manner from now on.

posted December 04, 2010 02:45 AM            

If we look at our natal house where Neptune resides then we should all have problems with that house and all that it holds..right?

No.. For example, I have Neptune in the 3rd house of communication yet I have no problems writing or articulating my thoughts to others. My words are a bit "fluffy" at times (meaning, poetic) yet somehow I have become someone that has excelled in the scientific world as well as business and since a few years ago, with the Military working with Soldiers and Families.

I also have the added joy of being a Sag with an Aries moon (oh and Mercury in Cap squaring Uranus) but... I have no issues communicating.

To me, a 5th house Neptune does NOT indicate that you can't have a romance or find love, it is that sometimes (and I have no idea of your others planets or houses) you may idealize the other person to the point that you don't see who they really are (again.. I need to know your other planets) and you sometimes misrepresent yourself in a romantic way.. meaning, you may be the person that "pretends" to like things or even "convince" you like something in order to be compatible with another. Yet, when time goes on, you find yourself being disenchanted with that person or he feels that way about you and the relationship goes bust.

posted December 04, 2010 04:08 AM            

And I will move pieces around to get em where I want em, no one better mess with my romantic vision, no one, don't try to intrude because you are not invited. If I'm not living the big romantic dream in an actual physical romance then it is in my fantasies, in my creative work, I don't even want to live if I'm not working with it. Truly. I've tried to live days where I said, OK step back, take a breather, re-orient back to reality & life starts to feel absolutely meaningless. I need to infuse my life with it or there is no point. The danger is when I become romantically involved (as in *attached*) I let that take over and everything else is on the back burner & I can't see straight.

Sometimes yes I've wanted to 'save' but ya have to remember I'm Pisces Sun, too, so there ya go for whatever it's worth. But one thing is I have enough common sense *ty Saturn!* to not get dragged down with them, I just feel empathy for them, and find their vulnerabilities *extremely* attractive. The overriding attraction in this part of my chart is their vulnerability, definitely.

Neptune aspects
-trine Mc
-sextile Saturn
-sextile Pluto
-sextile Sun

posted December 04, 2010 05:37 AM            

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I can know exactly what to say to a woman because I seem to understand their needs but no woman has really caught my interest so I do not pursue anything. No I'm not gay either. haha

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Could you,please, elaborate on HOW you do this lol

In astrological terms, I would think your Venus(love nature) must be in good ,close aspect to your moon such as Venus trine moon.

Hmmmm---Mercury would have to be in good aspects, too, to be a sweet talker.
Do tell

posted December 04, 2010 08:24 AM            

I don't necessarily think that everybody will have problems with all that is represented by the house that their Neptune resides. After all Neptune will obviously be aspected differently between different peoples' charts, along with many other chart differences that may highlight some areas as potential challenges, and some areas as less challenging.

I would also disagree that it is most likely just a transit thing. I mean there are a few important transits going on, but the fifth house issues that I have pointed out I think have been a bit more like a running theme for me, that I am only now really identifying.

I also don't think that a fifth house Neptune indicates that you can't find romance or love, I think it may mean that you might just have a more challenging time finding realistic perspective.

I do agree with you about misrepresenting yourself in a romantic way, and being a person that pretends to like things or even convince you like something in order to be compatible with another. I think that this possibly helps to describe a fifth house Neptune very well.

posted December 04, 2010 08:39 AM            

I totally know what you mean about if you're not living the big romantic dreams then it is in your fantasies and creative work. That fifth house Neptune really knows creativity and imagination. Being a Libran sun, I am also alot about the big romantic dream.

I am also exactly the same, as in when I'm involved, it takes over and consumes me. Everything else definitely is on the back burner. This is something that I haven't ever been comfortable with, but find it difficult to control. I hope I get better at it as I evolve, because it can cause some problems, like when you're supposed to be writing your thesis

Your Neptune seems well aspected, which may potentially help with not getting dragged down with them and perhaps playing out more of the potentially negative aspects of this placement.

posted December 07, 2010 04:21 AM            

I can see how this placement combined with a hard aspect to venus might make it even more difficult to see things clearly in a romantic relationship, and other types of relationships too. Do you have any other hard aspects to venus or Neptune?

I'm glad you find an outlet in creativity and art.

posted December 08, 2010 03:26 AM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Could you,please, elaborate on HOW you do this lol

In astrological terms, I would think your Venus(love nature) must be in good ,close aspect to your moon such as Venus trine moon.

Hmmmm---Mercury would have to be in good aspects, too, to be a sweet talker.
Do tell

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I don't pretend. I play no games. I have no needs, so I can completely focus on the needs of others. I listen to a woman and observe her. After awhile I can just pick up on their being. It is really hard to put into context. A woman usually reveals what is ailing her if I am around her enough. I also watch relationships, see fights and understand where those fights come from not even knowing the people. A week ago I sat down in a store and saw this pair. Not knowing anything about them, I said, "This is your first date isn't it, you will make a really good couple". The girl said yes this is and I saw her spirits lifted and his too. It brought them closer together. I have reached into the depths of my soul and discovered the woman. Most men do not know of this or are only slightly aware of the feminine. In this life I have completely absorbed myself in the ways of a woman.

posted December 09, 2010 11:19 AM            

About misrepresenting in relationships, I can kind of see that and I have it in the 5th also exact conjunct station merc (being a truth seeking type.. -hate- that aspect). Sometimes I feel like I'm so influenced by a belief or energy I channel that out there and say something along those lines because empathically it feels like me even though it isn't. I'm just caught up in some energy. I also go into relationships feeling like I need to morph myself into more of what they want and maintain that, however I get tired of doing that and that's when I leave. I don't do this liberally.. there's economy and conservation to it to. How much I can change in what ways vs what kind of return I get. I don't consciously play it out but it's instinctual.

I tend to not be disappointed in relationships short of disbeliefing this soulmate I had problems with was bipolar and destroying me in the eyes of everyone I met. I never dated him. I didn't want to believe he was a soulmate either (pluto transit neptune ath the time) but I couldn't not obsess about him as scary as it was. I tend to believe everyone will abandon me and hurt me, and so far that hasn't happened except with one relationship.. and no abandonments