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StelliumH6
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posted December 16, 2010 08:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for StelliumH6     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Dysfunctionalmystic listed love aspects by Linda Goodman on an earlier Topic. One was Sun sq. Saturn, I was wondering why this might be true.

I would say that the Sun person feels as though she is being blocked and frustrated by the Saturn person. The Saturn person being set in his ways and not swaying toward the Sun's ideas/thoughts. I can see the maturity level needed for this aspect, which can build into a stable relationship.

If Sun square Saturn is noted as a love aspect, it does not seem too loving. Perhaps in the long run it is . . .

Another inquiry - Are SATURN (mainly)partnerships favorable?

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posted December 16, 2010 08:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for dysfunctionalmystic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey Stellium
I agree with your comments, Saturn is needed within synastry to hold the relationship together but too much of it will just kill off any romance or softness.

Saturn is the planet that gives a sense of responsibility and duty which is fine if you want to be in a relationship with someone out of a sense of duty but personally I would hate that...I'd feel cheated.

There is too much in the book to type up but LG basically says that it's because it makes the bond hard to break. She doesn't make out that is an easy aspect but looks to the positive side - it gives patience.

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posted December 16, 2010 08:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for dysfunctionalmystic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Martin Schulman says that sun-saturn is a difficult karmic aspect that is playing out a parental issue with the father...I'd be inclined to agree with this,

if you had natal sun-saturn it may be easier to handle within synastry and the composite may give a different outlook for the sun/saturn square

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posted December 16, 2010 08:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Amphitrite     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yep, Linda certainly talks about this aspect being a very difficult bond to break and a rather karmic aspect. I also think she may have touched on the sun having to realise and accept that saturn is the teacher in charge of the wisdom mutually needed.

I have experienced this aspect in a few different types of relationship scenarios. Every single time it has been/is an extremely important relationship, where I have learned a great deal about myself and life in general. Every single time it has been challenging but rewarding, particularly when I have been the sun.

I agree that too much Saturn can usually prove to be difficult to overcome and sustain a happy relationship, however having a few hard Saturn aspects to personal planets is definitely important because it makes you put the work in, and reap the rewards and gain the foundation and stability.

Yay for Saturn

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posted December 16, 2010 12:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ChristyT     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
StelliumH6 - can you be a poppet and paste the link to dysfunctial's love aspect list here pls? I cannot find it.

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posted December 16, 2010 01:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for electricmind     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Interesting topic @StelliumH6

I have Sun square Saturn Natally. And it is quite a difficult aspect. But it is a powerful and useful aspect as far as accomplishing things in life.

My current partner has his Sun exactly conjunct my Saturn. And I truly do look at him as a wise teacher. I can just sit and listen to him talk for hours, and I do. Since my Saturn and his Sun fall in my 10th house, he really embodies so many of the qualities that would like to be or have in myself. He has my best interest at heart, even when I don't want to hear what he has to say.

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posted December 16, 2010 01:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Cynnared     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have my natal Saturn SQUARING my younger daughter's Sun in Leo. - So does her dad but our Saturns are trine. Not sure how this wil play out but it shows a parent-child relationship here.

My Saturn squares my boyfriend's Sun in Aquarius.....he is a very relcutant learner.hard to teach and show him things about babies etc.....he expects me to play "momma" and do everything for him and then I think that is where my Pluto squares his Venus comes in.....he has the venus-pluto square natally.

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posted December 16, 2010 02:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for StelliumH6     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sure Christy I can tell you where to find the info. The topic was started by blugrey on Dec. 16th, it is entitled, "soulmates" in Astrology.

Electricmind, we have the opposite situation from you and your current partner. I am the Sun, he is the Saturn person. I admire his intelligence and common sense regarding life situations so much. One time I asked him to explain something about his job that most people would find uninteresting and he said, 'Do you really want to know, or do you just want to hear me talk?' We both smiled and chuckled.

After reading your comment, it is nice to know that he also enjoys my qualities and would like to have some of them himself. Again, he being the Saturn person and me the Sun.

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posted December 16, 2010 02:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for blonderiverkat     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My bf's Saturn square my Sun...exact...a wonderful relationship, perhaps even twin flames....

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posted December 16, 2010 03:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for electricmind     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@blonderiverkat i'm just learning about twin flames, but i am pretty sure me and my Sun conjunct Saturn friend are twin flames. its lovely. so spiritual, mystical, metaphysical. plus all the regular stuff too.

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posted December 16, 2010 03:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for electricmind     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@StelliumH6
My friend is always telling me how I have such a profound effect on him and how I make him a better person in very practical/tangible/noticeable ways.

His Venus is perfectly conjunct my Jupiter/Ascendant conjunction. So there is definitely a DW teacher/student thing going. We learn so much from each other. We also have DW Moon opposite Pluto. CRAZY LOVELY synastry/composite.

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posted December 18, 2010 01:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Got Gemini??     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What about Sun square Saturn exact BOTH ways? We have many other positive aspects but I never fully understood this double whammy.

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posted December 18, 2010 07:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for maira     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A double whammy sounds good, even if it's negative, ie you teach/irritate/inhibit/ him just as much as he *same intepretation* you

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posted December 18, 2010 09:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for letram     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
in my synastry there is strong saturn.

one of the saturn aspects is HER saturn (7th house ruler, and moon depositor) trine my SUN (my 1st house ruler).

what strengthens this wisdom/sun-saturn energy more so than a normal trine is the fact taht her saturn is IN my 5th house.

and my sun is natally in Leo, while her saturn is natally in capricorn. is very strong saturn-sun theme in us.

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posted December 19, 2010 02:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for scrappydog     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have read that sun square saturn in particular is one of THE most common aspects in marriage partners, especially marriages that actually last. Have this 0 deg with my man and he said he wanted to marry me on the 3rd day he knew me, lol. But we also have sun conj moon 0 deg and venus conj uranus 0 deg

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posted December 19, 2010 02:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Geocosmic* Valentine     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
StelliumH6 and all,

I think Linda included the Sun square Saturn aspect in her Love Aspects chapter because it is a longevity promoting aspect. Most people who ask for synastry readings or consultations are whole-heartedly fixated on wanting the relationship to last a long time or to have it end up as a marriage. This particular aspect is what I would term a "glue aspect". It promotes longevity with a high focus on responsibility and control as a theme within the couple.

For example: President Bill Clinton and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton. They have the Sun square Saturn aspect and everyone can see what their marriage has been like, the power and strategy dynamics, as well as the challenging hard work it has taken to keep their marriage together through one of the most difficult challenges that a marriage can endure (especially under the spotlight of the media). No matter what their marriage looks like right now or what you believe it to be behind closed doors, the marriage is still viable.

Just an example. There are millions of other couples with this aspect who have happier stories and more difficult stories, but we all need something different in our relationships and this is just one choice and probably one aspect among many others within a synastry chart that contains it.

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posted December 19, 2010 01:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Got Gemini??     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by maira:
A double whammy sounds good, even if it's negative, ie you teach/irritate/inhibit/ him just as much as he *same intepretation* you

That's what I guessed, it would be a mutual thing. Plus, she and I (yes, I'm a guy lol) both have Sun sextile Saturn natally so I figured we'd might be able to navigate this aspect a little easier.

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posted January 25, 2013 09:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Got Gemini??     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Anyone else have any insights?

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Originally posted by dysfunctionalmystic:
Hey Stellium
I agree with your comments, Saturn is needed within synastry to hold the relationship together but too much of it will just kill off any romance or softness.


But does it have to be a planetary Saturn contact or would nodal count? I am just curious.

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posted January 25, 2013 09:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for enchantress299     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't really have insights so much... Just an observation... After I saw this thread, I was curious and so I went back and looked at my parents' charts. Turns out my Mom's Saturn opposes my Dad's Sun and my Dad's Saturn squares my Mom's Sun- both within 1' aspects (don't know how I missed that, but I haven't looked at either of their charts in a LONG time). They have been together 30 years(and I'm sure that will continue). My parents got married a little later in life and this was my dad's second marriage. My parents are also 11 years apart in age.

So yeah... I'd say there might be something to the old Saturn-Sun aspect is a glue for lasting relationships- tied in with the age factor that is usually associated with Saturn.

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posted January 26, 2013 01:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for starfairy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
In my last "relationship," my Saturn in Scorpio squared his Sun in Aqua. I'm pretty easy-going normally, but I was sooo critical of him. I was constantly putting his ideas down. I really thought he was an idiot, and still do. I thought he was childish and immature, too. It sounds horrible, I know, but I just couldn't help the fact that I thought he was a moron. Pretty much everything he said or did ****** me off!

He thought he was sooo smart, and he was so cocky about it (Sag Moon), but in reality, he was stupid. And I let him know. Even though I was pretty harsh with him, I still, to this day, maintain that he deserved the criticism. He had all these chauvinistic theories which really made my blood boil. His "theories" lacked logic, and it made me even more angry that he lacked the intelligence to understand that.

We stuck together for a while, but it was very on-off. I would consciously try to limit my criticism of him, but his idiocy overcame me, and I had to stop seeing him. He felt very criticized and judged by me, that's for sure, but he still calls me and tries to get back together (it has been a year since I cut him off).

I have zero interest, though. No way. I haven't even called or texted him back in a year. For all he knows, I could be dead. I feel nothing but disgust for ever dating him! Transiting Uranus was also squaring my 7th house ruler, Mercury, at the time, so I was bound to have one of those "what was I thinking?" relationships that fizzled out suddenly. But, ugh, what an idiot.

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posted January 26, 2013 01:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for starfairy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I thing flowing Saturn aspects are very favorable, but hard aspects can be difficult. It really depends on the person.

Brad Pitt and Angelina have: Her Saturn opposite his Moon, Mercury, Venus, and Mars.

Brad Pitt and Jen Aniston have: Her Saturn square his Moon, Mercury, Venus; his Saturn square her Mars and conjunct her Sun.

Brad likes the Saturn because his Moon/Mercury/Venus/Mars are in Cap. He can handle it.

I have Mercury, Venus, Jupiter, and Neptune in Cap and venus sextile Saturn in my natal, and my longest relationships have had strong Saturn aspects (longest had his Saturn square Venus and opposite my Moon). I don't mind when a guy's Saturn makes hard aspects to mine. I don't mind the coldness. But I don't like being the Saturn person.

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posted January 26, 2013 08:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for knight     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Me, I have SUN opposite Saturn in my natal chart...
A girl-friend of mine has SUN opposite Saturn in her chart natal as well.
Our suns are exactly squares and we have one pair of Saturn square Sun, the other pair is too wide in orb...
But in the same time, we have a grand trine together ((A sun conj B neptune) in sag trine (B moon conj A mars) in ari trine (B mars conjunct B Node north) in leo)

We enjoy talking and doing things together, we do feel alright together.I had a feeling of love at first sight when I met her and it seems that I know her for a long time.
We got close very soon.

It's true that at times, I feel unable, blocked to resume relation, to talk again, to be again together after couple of days of non-talk or after short separation.

But, I believe that hard aspects in natal chart (sun-saturn) are making the synastry easier; people tend to understand better each-other, their fears, their limits, external treats.

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posted January 26, 2013 09:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for aquaguy91     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
yes saturn partners are very favorable imo.. they certainly offer loyalty/fidelity

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posted February 25, 2021 12:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ChildofVenus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by starfairy:
In my last "relationship," my Saturn in Scorpio squared his Sun in Aqua. I'm pretty easy-going normally, but I was sooo critical of him. I was constantly putting his ideas down. I really thought he was an idiot, and still do. I thought he was childish and immature, too. It sounds horrible, I know, but I just couldn't help the fact that I thought he was a moron. Pretty much everything he said or did ****** me off!

He thought he was sooo smart, and he was so cocky about it (Sag Moon), but in reality, he was stupid. And I let him know. Even though I was pretty harsh with him, I still, to this day, maintain that he deserved the criticism. He had all these chauvinistic theories which really made my blood boil. His "theories" lacked logic, and it made me even more angry that he lacked the intelligence to understand that.

We stuck together for a while, but it was very on-off. I would consciously try to limit my criticism of him, but his idiocy overcame me, and I had to stop seeing him. He felt very criticized and judged by me, that's for sure, but he still calls me and tries to get back together (it has been a year since I cut him off).

I have zero interest, though. No way. I haven't even called or texted him back in a year. For all he knows, I could be dead. I feel nothing but disgust for ever dating him! Transiting Uranus was also squaring my 7th house ruler, Mercury, at the time, so I was bound to have one of those "what was I thinking?" relationships that fizzled out suddenly. But, ugh, what an idiot.


I really hope everyone who has their Saturn square someone's Sun in synastry doesn't feel the same way about the Sun person like you. Honestly you just seem like a nasty and negative person in general.

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