posted December 17, 2010 07:12 AM            

Orcus in Leo, in the fourth house

Sun in the 8th house in Capricorn

Orcus is also square pluto which is in the sixth

My powers of transformation with regards to service, work, and health are blcked by oaths I cannot fulfill at the end of the day to those in my home. Therefore I am reluctant to make any oaths...I have my own crazy dogma on oath making, that I've had before I ever learned astrology, and notions of fairness that I have learned to let go, since they make me critical of myself and others, and adversley effect my health - no joke, that's the pluto in sixth effect....chackra blockages caused by this etc...

posted December 17, 2010 07:49 AM            

I've orcus conj my telephus conj hypnos
trine my karma
sextil my pluto

posted December 17, 2010 08:14 AM            

Imagine someone running around screaming Oath Breaker every time someone said they would go out drinking with him or her, and ended up changing their minds for health concerns...

I never could subside to it, but now I must. Sometimes it's not keeping every promise, but keeping the right promises...

posted December 17, 2010 08:42 AM            

My first marriage. I felt quick I must out of it. The relationship not last many year.
My first husbands orcus sextile my N uranus
My orcus square his N moon.

My second marriage. This is my biggest love up to now. Last in 15 year.
My orcus 13 trine his SUN 13 in pisces.(in a kite to my karma 13 in scorpio, my pluto 12,5 in virgo)
His orcus 2 conj my mars 2 in cancer.(IN a kite including, saturn,venus, nept, pluto.)

posted December 17, 2010 09:33 AM            

So the positive side in orcus is knowing that there is a part of you that reacts to promises you make. Think about it, hav eyou ever made a promise to someone you didn't like? Tha tyou felt weasled you into a promise by holding something over your head indicrectly....I should note that i've been blackmailed several times in school as I was a good student that wanted the teacher's esteem and other kids held this gainst me, since behaviour wise I was a rebel...

So you see orcus is positive when you know for instance, that when you make a promise to your lover, your ego naturally becomes stronger in a positive way....for me it's strange........Orcus is in Leo and my sun is in capricorn, and they are inconjunct, but their is harmoney between orcus in leo and sun in capricorn since leo's ruler is the sun....so one sollution I guess for my problem, which is making promises to my Sun people(father, boss, male role models, leaders, advisors, or saturnine figures with a strong sun component, like love for me,) is a tough issue for me because I'm an 8th houser, and only i know what's good for me.

It's like when I'm weightlifting and the big dude next to me thinks that i'm going at it too light...he wants to give me fatherly advice and makes me promise him i'll try his routine for a week, and I do an dthen I get injured......

posted December 17, 2010 09:41 AM            

hence forgiveness overulles the cosmic laws varuna represents....we all know varuna was the first cosmic great Lord dethroned by jupiter, the god of love....love overules all cosmic laws, and therefore is not a part in this cosmic scene, but the backdrop that pops through a hole in the wall and seems like an isolated object....when in reality it is the entire world the stage is set on.....

posted December 17, 2010 09:45 AM            

Therefore the laws change and they don't change, and we are forced to reconcile this paradox either by art, work, devotion, spirituality, or all of the above and more...The point of our existence is to evolve and reconcile by the senses, or evolve to this point of acceptance in which material desires seem to fall or shed away like snake skin, but here is the kicker again, even though we are not to be materialistic, we can only do this by acknowledging that we want the things we don't have, but don't need them most of the time, and that it is necessary to continue to desire these things as if this force pulled us through the trenches of procstination to accomplish for the sake of the spirt....it becomes evident that evil and good are not a duality, but rather good is a giant universe, and evil just a box or force in that universe that still indirectly serves good, in the end. However it appears a duality because from our perspective we see as much good as we see evil, and therefore assume that they are two equals. However there is still the possibility that we are only seeing a small proportion of good relative to all the good their actually is, and a large portion of evil, relative to toal evil, or dark, or negative, or whatever duality you have in question....so it is a duality pragmatically speaking, but if good and even are real, then they are the precursors to this pragmatic universe, the chicken so to speak that came first before the egg, since they transcend this is logical...good, the concept affects more people than any individual or organization....it has the greatest effect on society, it seems to evolve, it seems to be concious over time, granted indirectly through us in this physical verse....

metaphysics volume blabber mouth...

posted December 17, 2010 11:55 AM            

1 Orcus move slow and many people born on the same year have almost the same degree.

2.The most important indivuduals in my life. The people I love most have this connection to my chart. Weird. This is people who I really love and still be in in my heart.

My fathers sun exactly conj my orcus. Not anyone of my siblings have so good contact to my father as me.
My daughters sun conj her fathers orcus.(2). She was the only daughter he had and she loved him much.
My daughters orcus conj my N Sun/AC (2). She are so tight to me.
My sons mars in scorpio exactly conj my karma trine my orcus 0-1.

My children and my father are the most important people in my life. My exhusband number 2 was also once a time one of them.

My mother are the person I've been in trouble with many times. I leave her and break off for a around 6 year when I was younger. Her orcus conj my moon 2, her orcus square my uranus/merk, Her orcus conj my Draconic merk/uran/pluto.

I believe on the positive side. I would never have so good connection to the most important indivuals in my life if it's not work out good.

The person I've most trouble with are my mother. She trigg my hard aspected moon. She was an big important part to all my events in my life. Yes, this strong authoritarian woman put out my inner power to be someone I am today.

posted December 17, 2010 12:31 PM            

If we can agree on the common notion currently accepted that orcus is symbolicaly linked to oaths, and the god of oaths, then we can extrapolate and possibly agree that when orcus in itself is not negative, but what someone does with the orcus energy, like a violent outbreak is, and free will comes into play...no?

posted December 17, 2010 09:34 PM            

It's a plutino which means that it orbits like Pluto. It's orbital period is only a year apart from Pluto's

good discussion about Orcus

I love to see posts on Pluto's fellow transneptunian objects

I have Venus in 21'47 Scorpio in 3rd trine retrograde Orcus in 22'28 Cancer in 11th with 41 minutes of arc

My Sun is biseptile Orcus with 1 minute of arc, and they contraparallel with 1 minute orc. My Sun is septile my Ascendant with 29 minutes of arc. Sun,Ascendant,and Orcus aspect each other 7th harmonically.

Transiting retrograde Varuna is in 22'35 Cancer conjuncting my Orcus and trining my Venus right now.

Nothing significant yet,but I will pay attention

In my chart:
retrograde Varuna in 3'01 Gemini in 9th
conjunct retrograde Pallas in 2'36 Gemini in 9th
conjunct retrograde Saturn in 5'08 Gemini in 9th
oppose Neptune in 1'48 Sagittarius in 3rd
square Moon in 3'11 Pisces in 6th

T-square
I have a strong and challenged Varuna suggesting major karmic issues involving Varuna.

Transiting retrograde Orcus in 3'00 Virgo is is forming a grand cross with my t-square.

I haven't really experienced anything significant, but I will pay attention.

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No..I am not a Virgo.

posted December 18, 2010 07:09 AM            

My northnode is in taurus but all these planets representing tabou thinks are so demoninant...even my planets are in the tabou house of sex death and transformation...