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roadwarriorsdp
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posted December 17, 2010 12:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for roadwarriorsdp     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I mentioned that I considered lilith the crystalized shadow of the moon, and someone contested it recently...I just found this source here that kind of fleshes out that notion of lilith a little...the conclusions are at the bottom the rest is substance.

Enjoy if you have the time to read it.
http://www.expreso.co.cr/centaurs/blackmoon/lilith.html

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posted December 17, 2010 01:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for VenusDiSirius     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What's ur take on 12th H lilith? My position... I'd like to know some more...

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posted December 17, 2010 01:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for raspberri     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have both Lilith's conjunct in 6-7 Virgo.
I started a passionate relationship with someone when they progressed to conjunct his Natal Venus Mars conjunction at 13-14 Virgo.

Interestingly, his BML is at 13 Taurus, and his Asteroid Lilith is at 14 Sagittarius exactly opposite my Natal Venus.

The realtionship has no emotional boundaries. Love/hate/jealousy; It's all there, for good or bad. And when I say bad, I mean bad. Like wishing the other would die bad.

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posted December 17, 2010 02:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for roadwarriorsdp     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Venus, I would imagine that depends on alot, but I would say that lilith in the 12th basicaly means attempting to assert yourself as a strong woman without causing your total self harm.

Assertion requires the ego, sun, and mars, incoordination....

I also read that lilith takes on traits of the sign in the house, so if the sign is aries, it acts with mars like tendencies....

My lilith is in the elleventh house in aries....still not sure what that means, but vesta is in the fifth with juno opposite lilith and eris, which are conjunct.


What sign is your twelfth in again?

I would also say that this implies other things as well depending on the sign and how close it is to the ascendant.

I have ceres and sedna in the 12th house in taurus next to my north node, and these are the things i relate too the least, until recently, in my entire horoscope.

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posted December 17, 2010 02:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for roadwarriorsdp     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Venus, I would imagine that depends on alot, but I would say that lilith in the 12th basicaly means attempting to assert yourself as a strong woman without causing your total self harm.

Assertion requires the ego, sun, and mars, incoordination....

I also read that lilith takes on traits of the sign in the house, so if the sign is aries, it acts with mars like tendencies....

My lilith is in the elleventh house in aries....still not sure what that means, but vesta is in the fifth with juno opposite lilith and eris, which are conjunct.


What sign is your twelfth in again?

I would also say that this implies other things as well depending on the sign and how close it is to the ascendant.

I have ceres and sedna in the 12th house in taurus next to my north node, and these are the things i relate too the least, until recently, in my entire horoscope.

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posted December 17, 2010 02:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for roadwarriorsdp     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
rasberri i'm sorry about that...lilith does remind me of a girl I once dated and I had a relationship just like that. Funny thing is we both loved a bunch of quarky stuff, like we were in che at the time and were going to change the world....we thought of ourselves as a liberal multicultural ethnic couple, the tall hansom type, but in reality we just let lose on each other and compensated by pretending we were humanitarians.


Unfortunately, we were both 21 and were dealing with sex drives as intense as rocket fuel.

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posted December 17, 2010 02:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for roadwarriorsdp     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
rasberri i'm sorry about that...lilith does remind me of a girl I once dated and I had a relationship just like that. Funny thing is we both loved a bunch of quarky stuff, like we were in che at the time and were going to change the world....we thought of ourselves as a liberal multicultural ethnic couple, the tall hansom type, but in reality we just let lose on each other and compensated by pretending we were humanitarians.


Unfortunately, we were both 21 and were dealing with sex drives as intense as rocket fuel.

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posted December 17, 2010 02:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I got a brain teaser
His Lilith conjuncts HER Neptune --exact??
Any thoughts.Please ,throw out guesses

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posted December 17, 2010 02:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for roadwarriorsdp     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Lilith conjunct neptune? The part of his anima that can offer redemptive new begins meets the planet of sorrow dissolution, thieves, and the sea? HmmmI'm guessing he spends quite a whiles time with her until he finds out that he should either stick to the side of him that's saturnine and masculine, or spend some time alone until he can balance out his masculine and feminine sides to respond properly to the dissolution he will feel, or the great intuitive sources he'll allow her to tap into...


In general I think it's horrid and will lead to pain and suffering.

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posted December 17, 2010 02:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by roadwarriorsdp:
I mentioned that I considered lilith the crystalized shadow of the moon, and someone contested it recently...I just found this source here that kind of fleshes out that notion of lilith a little...the conclusions are at the bottom the rest is substance.

Enjoy if you have the time to read it.
http://www.expreso.co.cr/centaurs/blackmoon/lilith.html


Yep...I read Juan Revilla's article,and I totally agree with it. He is one of those astronomically oriented astrologers who has an understanding of orbital symbolism in Astrology.

He was referring to the osculating lunar apogee aka true lunar apogee which is also known as True Black Moon Lilith


what apogee means is when an object is at the farthest point of its orbit from the Earth
perigree means an object is at the nearest point of its orbit to the Earth


now from the Solar perspective
Aphelion means when an object is at its farthest point of its orbit from the Sun
Perihelion means an object is at the nearest point of its orbit to the Sun


The lunar apogee is basically lunar stuff. After all, it's based on the moon.
the lunar apogee is like shadow side of the moon

When Moon is at lunar apogee, the Moon appears to be at its smallest and dimmest

When Moon is at lunar perigree, the Moon appears to be at its largest and brightest

I have Sun conjunct/oppose the osculating lunar perigree/apogee axis with 22 minutes of arc
Of course, it means that my Sun is conjunct true Black Moon Lilith with 22 minutes of arc

I just think that it's just my having strong lunar traits but with more of shadow side

My Sun is trine Moon with 2'10 orb, and so I am strong in lunar energy any way.


I just have a problem with labeling the lunar apogee, Lilith. It takes away from the lunar symbolism.


from the solar perspective,
My Mercury is at its aphelion,
My Mercury is actually conjunct the Mercury Aphelion with 11 minutes of arc .......so when I was born, Mercury was at its most distant point from the Sun.

from the Earth's perspective,
My Mercury is at its apogree,
My Mercury is actually conjunct the Mercury apogee with 3 minutes of arc...........so when I was born, Mercury was at its most distant point from the Earth.

Maybe Mercury apogee,Mercury aphelion should be called Black Mercury with it being the shadow of Mercury

every object has a perigree/apogee axis and perihelion/aphelion axis

so I guess these would be referred to as black objects


It's astronomy


With this in mind, that's why I don't like referring to lunar apogee as Lilith and don't use it with houses and signs
I don't like the term, black moon

I agree with your view about Lilith aka Black Moon as the shadow side of the Moon.
If people knew the astronomy of it, they would understand that it is the shadow of the moon because it's the lunar apogee.

It's like the Mercury apogee and Mercury aphelion are the shadow of Mercury.
My Mercury being conjunct apogee and aphelion in the Geocentric and Heliocentric charts. Therefore my thinking,communications, have a shadow quality to it. It could like a retrograde Mercury in a way. It's a different way of thinking,communicating,and processing information. It's nonlinear. It's subtle. It's introspective. It's nonconforming.


Contesting that Lilith is not the shadow of the Moon makes no sense because black moon lilith is the lunar apogee.

They ignore the astronomy.


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roadwarriorsdp
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posted December 17, 2010 03:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for roadwarriorsdp     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Very informative post actually, the orbits are somewhat vague to me and constitute probably the next step in my learning, as well as contra parallels...then I may take it on to synastry....but probably not, I could care less how I jive wtih another, and there are so many fish it seems fruitless.....


Seriously, we all probably have like atleast 10,000 possible soul mates running around.

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