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roadwarriorsdp
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posted December 19, 2010 10:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for roadwarriorsdp     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I just came up with this name for the 8th house and its based on something that's the same for me in every aspect of my life involving the planets of the 8th house....in my chart

jupiter
Sun
and
neptune

In capricorn - so many of you will probably feel this effect more, as it took me 25 years to notice my vascillating nature

My dreams change on a monthly to half year basis...what I hope or wish that is...

What feeds my ego changes on a monthly basis....

What I consider moral changes....on a monthly basis to incorporate a more hollistic view of the world, which is an ever expanding process...

Other people I know are generally the same...since i've known them, and most people i know i've known for my entire life...or since grade schoo.

They don't change they are very stable.

They don't even consider it....and many of them can't.

So this house is the house of ebb and flow.

You have a ship, that's your stability.

Enjoy the waters and don't dread too deep...remember you will always be changing so get used to it....and find your soul tribe, and practice practice all your gifts, and know you can make whatever you want to practice a reality.

Also remember that there are people who admire what great people in the media have done to a degree, but will love you more than they love their shows

There are peopel who will look at you like you are the show and anticipate you.

They will miss when your gone
and they are usually 8th housers with 7th house planets...

When they are alone they are labeled narcisstic, but in reality they are just trying to reproduce themselves

so they can hold someones hand
not literally
metaphoricaly
and maybe literally
if the other person really needed it.

so whose with me

the 8th house
of ebb and flow?

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posted December 19, 2010 11:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for VenusDiSirius     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I find 8th H energy constant. 12th H,as well. They are both well where we drink for strenght,and breaking point,where that energy can be our biggest enemy.

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posted December 19, 2010 11:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Chaos     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yup, I guess 8th house energies, they can make you or destroy you, depends on how you control them & what you use them for...

It also took me almost 25 years to realize how changeable I am. But now I know, change is GOOD, change keeps you going, change builds you...If I stayed the way I was in early youth, I would've been dead by now, I know it...Change your dreams, your hopes, your life habits, values, all, to keep going & to get rid of all the misfortunes of the past...8th house planets & energies can help with that...

Stagnation is bad, all those people that you know, who never change, if they don't start changing, they wouldn't be able to make anything out of their life, they're stuck...You might feel rejected/misunderstood from that kind, but they don't know the value of complete transformation....

Dear God, I must've used the word "change", like, million times in this post ...Oh, well, that's what 8th house is about...

Also, I might be under the influence of Pluto transiting my 9th house, so I think a lot about this particular topic, but then again, right now, this sounds like the truth for me & I do believe 8th house influence & need for transformation is exclusively a positive thing!

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posted December 19, 2010 11:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Dear Road
I have Gem Sun,Gem Merc and Cancer moon in the 8th house.
I have Gem Venus(unaspected) in the 7th house with Taurus on the cusp.
I feel really differently about my 8th house planets.
I read that the 8th house is the house of repression.
IOW, the planets have a delayed maturity or what they call in psych differentiation
The planets are like children who never grow up until much later.

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posted December 19, 2010 11:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Maybe, THAT is what you are experiencing ,Road.
For me,now, I am JUST starting to own my 8th house planets.
I will say that the 8th house planets demand certain things.
If you want to stay above the surface and skate through life,I suppose you can,but you will never feel that you "touch ground"
I am just starting to feel I "touch ground"

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posted December 19, 2010 11:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have no earth so that may be a factor but I am just starting to feel as if I am a defined and definite person.
Can you relate to any of what I have said, Road ?

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posted December 19, 2010 12:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have centaur Chiron and transneptunian dwarf planet Eris,retrograde in Aries in 8th house,and they are conjunct.
I also have transneptunian dwarf planet candidate Sedna in 8th.

I believe that with 2 of Pluto's fellow transneptunians in my 8th, there is a much deeper and more transformative side of my nature than what my chart suggested before their discoveries.


I could relate to what Barbara Hand Clow wrote about Chiron in 8th. My mom has it,and my maternal grandfather had. Therefore, 3 straight generations of Chiron in 8th.
Now I wonder if the reason why I felt so strongly that the 8th house seemed so much powerful for me is because because Eris and Sedna are in my 8th.

I am looking forward to transiting Jupiter conjuncting my Eris in 8th next year. I believe that I will have a better understanding of it. Looking at 1 degree applying to exact (March 15th to March 20th of next year), transiting retrograde Saturn will conjunct my Uranus in 2nd, transititing Chiron will conjunct my Moon in 6th,transiting Uranus in my 7th will be opposite my Pluto in 1st, and the most otherworldly Sedna in my 9th will be opposite my Venus in 3rd.

Transiting Mars will be trining my Venus in 3rd,transiting Venus will be squaring my Venus in 3rd,and transiting Sun in 7th will be opposing my Pluto in 1st too.

Transiting Venus square Sedna will actually be in a t-square with my Venus.

Transiting Sun conjunct Uranus will be opposite my Pluto.

This is from March 15th to 19th of next year.


I believe that I will experience a major shift in my energy. I am very sure that an important event will happen during that time.


I actually decided that I am going to attend International Astrology Day in San Francisco, Calfironia on March 19th. I have never went to an Astrology convention before,and it will be the 1st one that I will intend. It will definitely not be my last. I will be meeting online astrology friends for the first time in person.

I even decided that I am going to be in San Francisco from March 18th to March 21st I am going to go dancing on Saturday night. I am going to do some sightseeing on Sunday. I could also use the time to spread the word about Neurodiversity and Developmental Neurodiversity Association (DNA).

I have relatives in the Bay Area,and so I might visit them.


I believe that these transits correlate with the International Astrology Day and my overall trip in San Francisco as well as making new connections with others.


International Astrology Day http://www.ncgrsanfrancisco.org/IADSF2011.html


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No..I am not a Virgo.

Developmental Neurodiversity Association facebook group. http://www.facebook.com/#!/group.php?gid=131944976821905&ref=ts

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posted December 19, 2010 07:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for roadwarriorsdp     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Ami Anne:
I have no earth so that may be a factor but I am just starting to feel as if I am a defined and definite person.
Can you relate to any of what I have said, Road ?


Yeah I can...I'm going to learn alot from your chart.

I stole your quotation and posted it on my sisters facebook wall. Yup, you inspired me, thank you.

I definately want to hear more about the expression of the planets. Not to sound dry at all but the entire experience, spirit, mind soul and body, and the metaphysics of it.

I'll either do some research about it or we'll get at it tomorrow! Or if you have some time feel free to post, after about two three hours of accounting work I may come back on and check up on the board.

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posted December 20, 2010 12:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for oceaneyes9     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i agree with some things you said, about the ebb and flow. always changing, re inventing.

personally i have found that what is stable is unstable, nothing is for sure. i do have friends that i have known for a very long time and these people find it hard to ever leave my life for too long. but im always losing people. always losing things. always re creating.

as far as not treading too deep, well youve come to the wrong place i feel. the 8th is where you have to go lower than deep to be able to resurface. its always been true for me.

sun, merc, venus, mars, jupiter, VX in the eighth

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posted December 20, 2010 02:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for raspberri     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have a fixed sign on the 8th house cusp; Taurus with Jupiter there. What I experience stays the same.

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posted December 20, 2010 03:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for roadwarriorsdp     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
RAsp...I think there is a way out of stasis...It just may involve an aspect...not saying you want to do that but I'm sure there is a way....also jupite rin taurus is good, your probably going to be better off than I with jupiter in capricorn in fall...I can't imagine jupite rin taurus being bad it sounds divine.....from the perspective of material aquisitions.

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posted December 20, 2010 03:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for roadwarriorsdp     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by oceaneyes9:
i agree with some things you said, about the ebb and flow. always changing, re inventing.

personally i have found that what is stable is unstable, nothing is for sure. i do have friends that i have known for a very long time and these people find it hard to ever leave my life for too long. but im always losing people. always losing things. always re creating.

as far as not treading too deep, well youve come to the wrong place i feel. the 8th is where you have to go lower than deep to be able to resurface. its always been true for me.

sun, merc, venus, mars, jupiter, VX in the eighth


That's how I feel. I used to hold it against my friends in highschool for forgetting about me, especially since I was the one who gave them all the answers on tests- i don't do that anymore..

I don't...I realized that it was just my apathy they ran from, and my apathy was protection...

Any idea on how to go below the surface? For instance........should I nurture what eotions etc....what should I do...should I accept my highly charged sexual nature...I'm not repressing it now...but I still have borderline traditional values...I'm not sure what I shoul ddo with cap in there and so many planets but I'm sure it's going to take me longer than most to figure it out.

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posted December 20, 2010 04:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for ALL you give, Road. It is no nice and greatly appreciated

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posted December 21, 2010 10:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for oceaneyes9     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@roadwarrior

advice on going deep ... hmm well persnally it happens naturally.
but i feel that if you have a 8th house placement especially a stellium its a constant subconscious pull. you have to let yourself go into it, experience the emotions and thoughts that are painful beyond belief. look at the way things really are, how you know them to be deep down instead of how you would like them to be.
in terms of sexuality and other things, its important to look at yourself and in yourself real hard and acknowledge all the good bad ugly and repressed that you don't even want to be but are anyway. accept your nature. channel it and work with it.
i feel like the 8th is there to torture you and help you.
so let it.

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posted December 21, 2010 10:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for roadwarriorsdp     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by oceaneyes9:
@roadwarrior

advice on going deep ... hmm well persnally it happens naturally.
but i feel that if you have a 8th house placement especially a stellium its a constant subconscious pull. you have to let yourself go into it, experience the emotions and thoughts that are painful beyond belief. look at the way things really are, how you know them to be deep down instead of how you would like them to be.
in terms of sexuality and other things, its important to look at yourself and in yourself real hard and acknowledge all the good bad ugly and repressed that you don't even want to be but are anyway. accept your nature. channel it and work with it.
i feel like the 8th is there to torture you and help you.
so let it.


Thank you Kindly again. I really appreciate the fact that you took time to respond, as I was wondering....If you're interested I came on to another relationship with ISis and osiris....ISis is the veil of nature, and osiris i our perspective. Isis is teh mystery, Osiris teh known and constructed. When the known meets the unkown there is latency, where as in due time the unkown grows in nature, but so does the known, but the unkown at a faster rate, and thereby the infinetely more mysterious.

The nature of isis can be summarized in a modern perspective as the relationship of the scientist to nature.

I would imagine that someone with osiris and isis in good aspects would have such a mutual reception as that the one with osiris will be interested in knowing more about the other, and the other seeing it as chance to nurture and love makes greater...but also the pitfalls be the power of balance at certain moments, as the story is an ebb and flow of each other that is quite dramatic by modern standards....

It's more of a subconcious level dynamic, as the mystery of the other unfolds,her mystery grows, and as he knows more about her, he may either love her more, or hate her more. Hence the free space of free-will....

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posted December 21, 2010 11:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for roadwarriorsdp     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Let me give you an example, here's how we can kind of generalize teh events of sequence of events.....in the isis osiris myth

Isis is uderstood as a thing that is mysterious to man and encoded in nature by study of pattern....isis represents alchemy, agriculture, etc...the egyptian cult of nature essentially is isis.

OSiris is later understood,as logic, he is constructed by isis...she makes his intestines, pulls it out, throws it around......imagine how that feels to be treated by nature like that?

But she can make him a God.....or they can be bitter enemies, or they can be lovers, or they can be brother or sister, or tehy can be..etc...etc...all the relationships involving emotionality between us from either perspective with regards to the other..

We can all experience our isis as feeling mysterious...

Osiris is us when we are mesmerized....

and then it leads to our downfall, gain, or immortality....as in scientific acclaim? imagine the egyptian doctor who despised nature like an atheist scientist despises the natural proclivity for masses of people to engage in worship of unprovable dieties...

yes that is the relationship of an osiris opposed to isis...but the catholic scientist or the new age scientists with much spirituality who happily seeks to find the a meaning for life while also a proof for god, and still keeping faith to the belief in spirit and soul...that might be the two trine

Square might be the tendency to seek for this area of life in anyway as by annoyance or necessity or unkowingly blind to the fact....like believing in soul but not wanting to

hence the two in one chart, can say alot about a man or womans relationship but I would analyse it on its own, for pragmatic reasons and then compare the final analysis of each...

So i would look at osiris and isis and say this person feels this way about nature and his modern scientific perspective too it...and this lady feels so and so about it....in synastry it would probaly be more of a sum of the parts thing as to the two acting on the world as a whole.

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posted December 21, 2010 12:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for vertiver     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Considering that natal Sun and Mercury in Leo are in the 8th house sqaure Pluto in the 11th, the power struggles that come with plutonian energy are ever so evident. For years I was in protective shell and I would only let those who I was familar with in, otherwise I cut everyone off. The thought of losing control is terrifying but thanks to having so many mutable planets in my chart I've realized its far easier to go with the flow than resist it...

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posted December 21, 2010 01:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Isolaede     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think of the 8th house as one of constant transformation and growth. But perhaps what I call transformation, you call ebb and flow. I'm an 8th house Sun, and I never stop analyzing my life, philosophizing, or looking for ways to grow and become a better person. However, while my philosophies have altered throughout the years, along with my world view, I do feel my moral compass has remained true. Iíve always strived to be an honorable, kind person, and I always will. My compass is a fixed mark in my mind, which has always guided me through my many transformations, ensuring I am growing towards being not just a bigger person, but a better person.

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