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Doux Rêve
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posted December 20, 2010 06:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Doux Rêve     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My Saturn widely opposes my Moon and I have a really hard time expressing my emotions, especially in front of other people (actually, in front of people who are closest to me).

I'm wondering if Saturn/Moon aspects by themselves can cause that? Or is it because Saturn basically touches everything in my chart? And do easy aspects between those two planets play out more "easily"?

Also, if you have a Moon/Saturn aspect, do you actually feel your emotions all the way through but are just unable to express them, or do you suppress them altogether? if so.. why?

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posted December 20, 2010 06:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for raspberri     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Tell me more.
I know someone with this, and he is the same way. I can never tell if he doesn't have any emotions or if he is just hiding them so he doesn't feel exposed.

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posted December 20, 2010 07:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lioness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have Saturn sextile Mon,Sun,Mercury.
So its an easy flow, and at least Im comfortable with it
I also have Saturn sq Asc

For me, Im not in outright emotional person, I never show my emotions, and I do have a really hard time with it... I know that I can come across as cold,its not intentionally I actually very lovable.. But when its comfortable for me...

I do not express nor suppress my emotions, I use other means to get them out privately.. LIKE here on LL... Even though I rarely speak to much about my personal self.. I do get my emotions out here..

I do feel that people that expressing emotions in public is sort of a weakness, that it should be done privately.

I cant be around people that are two open on their emotions, I get really bothered by it.. Especially in the work place..
I work with a Cancer friend, she felt that she was wronged at work, and she was crying... I comforted her, but at the same time I told her, she needs to get a hold of her emotions, and go and talk to your boss, in a professional manner, and just tell her "like it is"

Is that so leo of me or what????? lol...

Anyways thats my 2 cents

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posted December 20, 2010 07:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for VenusDiSirius     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Moon/saturn aspect are ascetic in at it's core... Not showing emotions in way that you deny yourself emotions. Expression of feeling= having emotions...it's not that simple! You are also heavy scorpio.

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posted December 20, 2010 07:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lioness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by VenusDiSirius:
Moon/saturn aspect are ascetic in at it's core... Not showing emotions in way that you deny yourself emotions. Expression of feeling= having emotions...it's not that simple! You are also heavy scorpio.


Who me?
I dont deny my emotions, I do express them, when the time is right.. I just prefer not to be an emotional person in public... I prefer to show my strength.. Strangers are co workers or acquaintances dont need to see the emotional side of me.

I have no scoprio.. Not sure if your talking to me or not... lol...
I do have Pluto in the 7th.. maybe thats what u mean..

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posted December 20, 2010 08:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for VenusDiSirius     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Not to you especially,i just wrote what i noticed

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posted December 20, 2010 08:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for VenusDiSirius     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You exude some lovely leo energy i agree with you,lioness

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posted December 20, 2010 08:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lioness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by VenusDiSirius:
You exude some lovely leo energy i agree with you,lioness


Ooo Thank you Venus
Im sooo adorable (batting eyes) lol

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posted December 21, 2010 12:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for buddy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have the moon/saturn square and I think it just makes me view the world in a melancholic manner.

I agree with most of what Lioness said! Maybe it is a leo thing? I don't like showing emotions in public, it just comes off as being weak and once you show weakness to people you are open to attack, lol.

I like to soak in my emotions in private, so I can analyze them and then analyze the situation. I think that would be the opposite of suppressing them I suppose.

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posted December 21, 2010 08:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for VenusDiSirius     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think it could be leo trait!! Fire isn't emotional,not demonstrative in that way. Leo especially,with royal decorum and all that... I also noticed that melancholy can produce some good stuff(creatively)

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posted December 21, 2010 01:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Doux Rêve     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
raspberri, I think that someone you're talking about actually does have emotions.. but he's just not used to showing them. Fear of being exposed, certainly.

I can totally relate to what Lioness has said, and to what buddy has said. So I don't think it's a Leo thing, I think it's a common Moon/Saturn trait, but maybe fixed signs are inclined to show a "wall" face more than the other signs? It might be a matter of pride, especially in Leo's and Scorpio's case..

I know I often appear "cold", but in fact I'm afraid I won't be able to control my emotions if I ever let them out. After all, Saturn is all about control.. and combined with the Moon that would explain the "basic need" for emotional control. All of this, of course, is to avoid appearing "weak" and being hurt!

Here's an extract of an article I found which I think is quite accurate, it mainly talks about the Moon/Saturn conjunction, but I think it applies to other aspects as well :

" I have a family of Moon-Saturn people and some of them have Moon conjunct Saturn. From this point of view, I see Moon conjunct Saturn as emotions hiding behind a stone wall. There may be door, but the door only opens for close, intimate and trusted happy few persons. You may enter the circle if you are close, but strictly on their terms and once you hurt them, you are out (unless you are needed). Others just face the bricks and hit the wall or a decent, polite smile. When a Moon-Saturn ages, it is obvious that he/she love regularity more than others do. The Moon-Saturn seems to be happier with old age than others are. That might be because rules, limitations and restrictions simply suite them. They are not fond of surprises, big parties and a crowded living room. Consistency in habits, that is what they want, and time schedules. Moon-Saturn people are great at taking care for the elderly, too. Their old fashioned manners are a great help on the job!

WALL
Often those bricks in the wall were built with tears shed in a long forgotten period; most of the time however it is the Moon-Saturn who keeps placing new layers of bricks on the wall. They construct them with the concrete of nasty experiences and fear, felt offenses, and the fear to be rejected. This is even stronger when the Moon and Saturn are angular or rising before the Sun. It takes a lot of smiles and warmth to break the ice around a Moon-Saturn. Those who don’t follow the Moon-Saturn’s rules will never really belong to the inner circle. Rules and traditions and time plannings need to be respected in the house of a Moon-Saturn. They often don’t need a crowd around them and don’t mind being alone for a period of time. That makes it easy to shape a distance.

BAD MEMORIES
For a Moon – Saturn it is easier to remember the nasty and bad events than to have good memories. Ask a Moon-Saturn about a recent party and they start complaining about the food, the waiter and the fact that someone sat on their chair. The aspects of the Moon in a chart don’t show what really happened, they show the response and the memory. It just might be that their company had a splendid night. In a family one child can have Moon-Saturn and the other one Moon-Jupiter and though they had the same parents the first one will remember the difficulties (and feel deserted) and the last one might be the most wanted child and feel great (whatever happened).

BREAKING
It is easier for a Capricorn Moon conjunct Saturn to break up with parents and family than it would be for a Moon Cancer conjunct Jupiter person, even in the same circumstances. With a tight conflict between Moon and Saturn it is also easy to feel guilt and shame about errors of the past. That is why they like to keep a distance, stick by the rules and be as ‘ normal’ and ‘ decent’ as they can be.

KEEPING UP APPEARANCES
Even with an easy trine between Moon and Saturn it is hard not to control feelings and cry in public, for example. Believe me, I know! I have Moon trine Saturn and when I get tears in my eyes, I walk away or put dark glasses on. Of course, with a Moon-Saturn family, it is always been ‘ not done’ to cry (“ why? You are old enough not to cry, aren’t you?”) Moon-Saturns have the feeling that they were thought not to show emotions and that it is better to keep it that way and they pass this message on to the next generation. Why? They don't want to look silly. It is very important for the Moon conjunct Saturn what the neighbourhood or family members might think of them. It is a bit like mrs. Bouquet in ‘ Keeping up appearances’ (the television serie is one of Queen Elizabeth’s favourites☺. But it is not about looking richer than you are, it is about looking cooler than you are.

In general, Moon-Saturn is afraid of personal emotional commitment, to avoid grieve. They start worrying when they have feelings for a person. So it is good for a Moon-Saturn person not to feel close and not to care unless the law or parenthood or feelings of guilt make it a necessity. Is that wrong? Is that hard? Is it cruel? Maybe. And yes, it is hard to hit a wall.

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CONCLUSION
Is there something good about Moon-Saturn? Yes there is. They are orderly and they are caring parents, though they won’t demonstrate their feelings. They use to stick to the law and the rules and they won’t keep you awake in the middle of the night because they are having a party. When they commit themselves, it is enduring and consistent. That is what I see in a Moon conjunct Saturn. It is just one little aspect in the complete picture of the chart. But when the aspect is prominent (on an angle, oriental) it is very very important for personal relations. "

(here's the link to the whole article: http://astropost.blogspot.com/2010/01/moon-saturn-and-hard-aspects.html

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posted December 21, 2010 06:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for FrozenQueen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Synchronous...I was looking for this yesterday

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Moon/Saturn Aspects

Melancholy
Depressed emotions
Little emotion
A burdened mother
A responsible woman
A responsible mother
Taking on responsibility at an early age
Emotions are a burden
Heavy feelings
Sad feelings
Structured emotions
Rigid emotions
Emotional authority
An authority on feelings
An authority on habits
An authority on women
An authority on mothering and nurturing
Anorexic
Lack of emotion
Lack of caring
Lack of nurturing
Lack of nourishment
Mom as the authority figure
Mom was the disciplinarian
An authoritative woman
Denying feelings
Denying emotion
Cut off from emotion
Cut off from self-care
Denied nurturing
Denied happiness
Unable to feel happiness
Becoming a master of your emotional realm
Teaching yourself how to feel
Gaining mastery over habitual response patterns
Master of defense
Gaining mastery over emotional responses
Learning how to make your own happiness
Learning how to make your own joy
Learning how to emotionally fulfill yourself
Learning how to take care of yourself
Learning how to meet your own needs
Learning how to cope with depression
The amount you felt your father cared
An emotional father
Fluctuating feelings about responsibility
Fluctuating feelings about structure and authority
Fluctuating feelings about discipline and hard work
Feeling okay with hard work
A sensitive authority figure
A sensitive father
A defensive stance
Lack of joy
Emotional repression
Feeling okay with rules and regulations that support emotional response and expression
Comfortable not showing emotion
Happy in a position of authority
Disciplined habits
Disciplined activities bring happiness
Surmounting obstacles brings happiness
Achievement brings happiness
Having an intuitive sense of time
Having a natural sense of authority
The capacity to handle responsibility with aplomb
Feeling that there is never enough time
Hardened emotions
A hard childhood
Lack of emotional expression as a child
Lack of support during childhood
Denied support
Feeling responsible for mom
Taking responsibility for your mother
The child who takes care of the parent
Early maturity
Emotional responsibility
Dutiful emotional expression
Dutiful habits
Inhibited emotional expression
The responsible child
Emotional management
Mood management
Learning how to be happy- the hard way
Making time for your own needs
Neglected by mom
Loneliness
Hardened emotions
Mature responses
Emotional mountains and barriers
Blocked intuition
Mastering intuition
Intuitive teacher
Hardened defenses
Crystallized habits
Master of the emotional domain
Mood master
Barren landscape
Bleak house
Keeping a stiff upper lip
Eating schedules
Finding happiness in the real world
Taking responsibility for you own emotional well-being.


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अस्तो मा सद् गमय |
तमसो मा ज्योतिर्गमय |
मृत्योन् मा अमृतं गमय् ||
ॐ शांति शांति शांति

From the unreal, lead me to the real,
From the darkness, lead me to light,
From death and destruction, lead me to immortality.
Peace. Peace. Peace.

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posted December 21, 2010 08:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Cat Face     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Moon opposite Saturn here....I'm lots of things on that list.

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Doux Rêve
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posted December 22, 2010 06:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Doux Rêve     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
FrozenQueen, is it the list from AstroFix? (I love that site)

Cat Face, I can relate to almost everything on that list too. Which is quite depressing really.. because it's so true. If only that were the only harsh aspect Saturn made in my chart, but I also have Saturn square Sun, square Mars-Pluto (I think this one is THE most frustrating aspect to have ever), square ascendant (although wide), parallel Sun-Mercury, trine Venus-Jupiter, quindecile Chiron and it makes other aspects to some asteroids. Talk about a busy Saturn! Needless to say, life hasn't been easy. *sigh*

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posted December 22, 2010 11:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for allouette     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
your opposition has a very wide orb, i would not take it too serious

I have a strong saturn (scorpio) moon (taurus) opposition and what i can tell you is that I do have very strong emotions which sometimes I choose not to display, especially if I am in an environment where I don't feel very comfortable. However, my nature is rather outgoing (libra sun, gemeni rising, venus-mars conjunct in the fifth house) so I can't really assess how much the opposition really affects me (my moon is also trine venus-mars)

people that don't know me very well sometimes complain that I'm too cold/detached, and I think this is Saturn, but I am definitely not like that, it's just a mask

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posted December 22, 2010 11:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for JupiterRain     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have a tight Moon sq. Saturn (Saturn on 7H Cusp in Virgo) aspect and can relate to Buddy, Doux Reve, & Frozen's posts... Sometimes the heaviness and melancoly are overwhelming...but its mostly prominent when I feel external factors preventing me from being true to myself. I tend to bottle my emotions up and then explode when I feel I can't escape. However, if I am able to process and internalize, I do much better with sorting through it and realizing it's not worth taking everything so serious.
The hardest part, though, is dealing with suicidal thoughts that arise out of no where sometimes...I've gotten much better with age, but the feeling of disconnect is so strong...
I would say that meditation and feeding my soul is the best therapy for me.
Also, the following items listed on Frozen's list I believe are key lessons from this placement:
Becoming a master of your emotional realm
Teaching yourself how to feel
Gaining mastery over habitual response patterns
Master of defense
Gaining mastery over emotional responses
Learning how to make your own happiness
Learning how to make your own joy
Learning how to emotionally fulfill yourself
Learning how to take care of yourself
Learning how to meet your own needs
Learning how to cope with depression

Thanks for starting this thread Doux and everyone for sharing your thoughts.

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Doux Rêve
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posted December 22, 2010 05:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Doux Rêve     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
allouette, Yes it's a wide aspect, but I think there's so much Saturn energy in my chart, that I really feel it. And it makes sense because my relationship with my mum was always a cold one, at least that's what the little child in me perceived.
It's a good thing your Moon is "supported" by your Venus-Mars. You must have intense emotions and I bet you're far from "cold/detached"!

JupiterRain, I can SO relate to everything you have said! Insane. Sometimes the heaviness is unbearable, so true. I too have suicidal tendencies which at times pop out of nowhere. "the feeling of disconnect", gosh I so understand that.
Yes the key lessons are completely right.
I hope you are doing well lately? If you ever feel down or something, you can always come here to talk.. I'm always available for a talk


Thanks everyone for the replies.
love and light to you all

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posted October 07, 2018 12:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ChildofVenus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes it's hard for me to express my emotions around other people. Even when there is a sad situation and other people are crying. Sometimes I hate this because I come off as unemotional. I do cry but it's usually in private. At time it's like I have to force myself to cry. I don't know if that makes sense.

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posted October 09, 2018 03:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have an easy trine Moon in my chart and I am quite an emotional guy. It comes across in the way I express myself.

I don't think that Saturn may altogether restrict emotional expression. But it adds a restraint and refinement in expressing them.

I think of Sir Anthony Hopkins,Jack Nicholson, Al Pacino ,Robert De Niro,Dame Maggie Smith(amazing), Dame Judi Dench(wow) etc. When trying to describe what I mean about this aspect.

These actors in highly emotional films don't try to "overact" or "over do" emotional expression of the character.

Its always so refined, so restrained, so deep. But palpable. I think also of Bella's Dad in "Twilight" who is seldom vivacious. But you can tell is very emotional.

I guess its because they are veteran actors and have learned to master(Saturn) emotional expression(Moon) of characters? But they avoid the "ugly cry"

Young actors don't know how to do this. They emphasize too much on the extreme(too macho or too flamboyant). Often even coming across insincere when doing big emotional scenes.

Mark Whalberg is awful at this, Brad Pitt(though strongly Cap) is meh, Henry Cavil is just cold and Tom Cruise (IMO) misses the mark each and every time. That's why the current action movies lack poetry. The actors are awful.

I can often tell how good an actor is on screen depending on how able they are to express EVERYTHING. But do very little.

So Saturn-Moon to me is not the absence of emotional expression. But the ability to communicate a lot(emotionally) through very subtle ways which are meaningful and have huge impact.

#telemundo soapy actors don't use Saturn energy in their emotional expression. No ways

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