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Glaucus
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posted December 24, 2010 01:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I was checking out minor planet list that shows the origin of the minor planet names.

I found out about the asteroids:
2432 Soomana
2433 Sootiyao

Sootiyo is Hopi for Star Boy
Soomana is Hopi for Star Girl

I am thinking that these asteroids could relate to may have to do with Starseeds,Star children as well as people who are fascinated with stars, astrologers


In my own chart:

Ecliptic Longitude
Soomana in 12'33 Capricorn in 5th - star girl
trine/sextile Asc/Desc in 13'27 Virgo/Pisces - self/relationships
square Eris in 12'15 Aries R in 8th - evolutionary intensification,diversity,equality,discord,controversy
square Chiron in 10'30 Aries R in 8th - wounds,healing,teaching

Right Ascension (Equatorial Longitude)
Soomana in 14'15 Capricorn - star girl
trine/sextile Asc/Desc in 14'44 Virgo/Pisces - self/relationships
square Uranus in 14'19 Libra - independence,change,unconventional
sextile Mercury in 15'32 Scorpio - mind,thinking,communications

Geo SN Soomana in 15'57 Libra - personal past associations with star girl
conjunct Uranus in 15'17 Libra - independence,change,unconventional

Ecliptic Longitude
Sootiyo in 16'30 Leo in 12th - star boy
conjunct Makemake in 16'20 Leo in 12th - evolutionary intensification,creativity
conjunct/oppose Antivertex/Vertex in 14'58 Leo - self/relationships
conjunct Ceres in 13'57 Leo in 11th - nurturing
square chart ruler Mercury in 18'21 Scorpio in 3rd - mind,thinking,communications

Right Ascension (Equatorial Longitude)
Sootiyo in 16'01 Leo - star boy
square Mercury in 15'32 Scorpio - mind,thinking,communcations
sextile Uranus in 14'19 Libra - independence,change,unconventional

Declinations
Sootiyo in 6'33 North - star boy
parallel Chiron in 6'09 North - wounds,healing,teaching
parallel/contraparallel Asc/Desc in 6'30 North/South - self, relationships

Interesting patterns:
My Mercury sextile Sootiyo and square Soomana in Right Ascension

Soomana trine/sextile Asc/Desc, square Chiron in Ecliptic Longitude
Sootiyo parallel/contraparallel Asc/Desc, parallel Chiron in Declination

you can calculate Right Ascension,Declinations,Nodes here http://www.true-node.com/eph1/


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BanxxManxx
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posted December 24, 2010 02:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for BanxxManxx     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I just need to ask. What is the significance of asteroids in relation to astrology? Can't people just make up a name for a random rock and give a random meaning to it? How does this rock have the same effect? What are some examples of this?

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Glaucus
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posted December 24, 2010 04:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

The Significance of Asteroids

by Jacob Schwartz

Ida and Her Moon. NASA/JPL

The thousands of named asteroids signals a revolution that will bring astrologers into the new millennium of enlightenment. The discovery of Uranus, Neptune and Pluto symbolized the transition from the Medieval Ages into the Industrial and Technological eras which broke down time/space barriers. Today's revolution, says Demetra George in her foreword to Jacob Schwartz's Asteroid Name Encyclopedia, resonating to the vibrations of the Age of Aquarius, is that of Information.

Information of all kinds is racing along electronic superhighways at lightning speed, crashing through the corporate frontier, breaking down barriers that segment multi-national empires such as computer and telephone companies, cable systems, film studios, and media conglomerates. Our challenge is how to adapt so we receive, understand, integrate and act upon this vast explosion of information without being overwhelmed and incapacitated. The consideration of the asteroids, all 5000 of them with names so far, can lead astrologers to developing a language that will address, in very specific ways, how this information explosion is impacting and forever changing the evolving psyche of humanity.

Astrology wasn't always so complicated. Our professional ancestors learned their craft in a world described by only seven planets. Saturn, the farthest planet then seen with the naked eye symbolize the limits of what we could perceive. But then William and Caroline Herschel discovered Uranus in 1781 and the ancient cosmology based upon seven sacred planets, seven chakras, seven musical notes, the seven days of the week, etc. was shattered. From a metaphysical perspective a planet represents an aspect of consciousness. The naming of a new planet reflects a simultaneous activation of a consciousness in the human psyche.

Uranus spoke to an awareness that each person had a right to be free and equal. This awareness led people all over the world to revolt against oppressors to obtain their freedom. Similar social changes occurred with the discoveries of Neptune and Pluto. Neptune was discovered when anesthetics, nursing, homeopathy and medical healing became more systematic. Pluto correlated to the economic depression, a world war, and the discovery of nuclear energy promising to transform humanity in a process of alchemical evolution. The timing and naming of newly discovered planets is synchronistic with new eras in history, and new responses by individuals who change society and are changed by it. The astrological language, with the naming of asteroids two centuries ago, grew to recognize and explain the parts of personality that were new to human drama. They carried the awareness that was necessary for people to enter and participate in a new era.

New Year's Eve of 1800 marked the sighting of Ceres, the first asteroid. Soon after, more asteroids were found and named after other goddesses of ancient mythology: Pallas, Vesta and Juno. By the end of the 19th century, more than 400 asteroids were known. And a century later, over 14,000 asteroid orbits have been computed and over 5000 have been named not only after mythological gods and goddesses like Bacchus, Apollo, Hera, Artemis but also places like California and Ohio, Toronto and Tucson, historical persons like Kleopatra and Copernicus, Bach and Bernstein, and things like Beer and Bus, Universitas and United Nations, and people names like Diana and Donna, Anna and Arthur, James and Johanna. The vast majority of asteroids are orbiting around the Sun between Mars and Jupiter, although a few come close to Venus and Earth, with an impact 65 million years ago of one credited with the extinction of dinosaurs upon the Earth. An asteroid about the size of a city block approached Earth in 1994 within half the distance of the Moon, closer than any other potentially destructive space object. A near collision with another asteroid is expected in the 22nd century. Many scientists now agree that the mysterious 1908 explosion over Tonguska, Siberia, flattening hundreds of square miles of land, resulted from an asteroid exploding just before impact with Earth.

Ephemerides were not available for asteroids until the late 20th century, so studying the implications of asteroids was not possible for almost two centuries after the discovery of Ceres. The vast majority of astrologers did not know they existed, or those who knew about them said they were "cosmic gravel," not real planets, unimportant, insignificant; the ten regular planets were enough. And those who might have considered using four new points like the four largest asteroids Ceres, Juno, Pallas and Vesta, plus the comet Chiron were shocked with the realization that it didn't stop with those, but there were thousands of them. At the very moment skater Nancy Kerrigan was attacked by Shane Stant in her dressing room in Detroit, 6 January 1994, 2:20 p.m., asteroid Tanya was conjunct lord of the underworld Pluto on the descendent, asteroid Harding was on the eastern horizon, and asteroid Shane formed a perfect triangle on the nadir of the chart.

Asteroids point to an evolutionary breakthrough for humanity. If we accept the premise that the naming of new planetary bodies correlates with new centers of consciousness within us, then suddenly there are thousands of new centers of consciousness lighting up in the cosmos and in our minds. If we are on the precipice of a quantum leap of consciousness where a greater proportion of the brain will be utilized, then the awareness of asteroid relevance can stimulate those newly utilized brain cells. Is asteroid symbolism the next step in our evolution? Are the thousands of asteroid names in our language assisting us to communicate the new response we all must develop to cope with the vast changes in technology, communication, and the information age now upon us?

Peter, Paul and Mary first performed as a singing group in the summer of 1961. The asteroids Peter (#1716), Paul (3525) and Mary (#2779) were also together then too, in the theatrical sign of Leo. When Fidel Castro established the first Marxist government in the Americas, the asteroid Karl Marx (#2807) was conjunct the asteroid America (#916). The asteroids Adolphine (#608) and Germania (#241), discovered at the beginning of the 20th century, have almost the same orbit around the Sun and conjunctions are rare, but long; well, they were traveling together both in longitude and declination throughout the twenty-year period when Adolf Hitler was in power in Germany, separating in the summer of 1945, when the Third Reich collapsed!

While there's no asteroid named O J, there is a like sounding asteroid Oja (#5080), and asteroids for each of the characters in the murder trial where O J Simpson (#4788) was prosecuted for murdering Nicole (#1343) Brown (#1643) and Ron (Ronan, #4024) Goldman. When Brown was born, asteroids Nicole and Oja were conjunct at 0 and 6 degrees of Leo opposite the asteroid Oja in O J's chart at 2 degrees of Aquarius, and conjunct Oja at the time of the murder at 8 degrees Aquarius, opposite the Moon at 7 degrees Leo!

Since astronomers have done so well in choosing names for Uranus, Neptune and Pluto, can their unintentional expertise in channeling appropriate names extend to the thousand of asteroids they name? Sometimes the names are chosen seemingly whimsically to honor colleagues, family members, familiar places, ideas, and even cats and dogs and birds as well as historical figures. Currently names are chosen by a board of astronomers meeting regularly at the Smithsonian Astrophysics Department at Harvard University. Astronomers generally do not connect what's in the cosmos with experiences on Earth. Naming asteroids is perhaps the only time an astronomer relates what's up there to what's down here on Earth. Asteroids thus can form a bridge between the astronomical and astrological communities!

Since the names work so well, could it be that the asteroid carries its own name? A name can be reduced to a number, and that number carries the vibration of a specific wave pattern. Our astrological knowledge of aspects and harmonics, which is based on the vibrational patterns of numbers, confirms that certain aspect series resonate with one another, and that planets in resonant aspects interact with each other. These interactive vibrational forces draw energies into connection. Perhaps the physical properties of the asteroid: its name, apparent shape, chemical composition, spectroscope, orbit carries a vibrational frequency, or sound, which the discoverer unconsciously connects with a name.

So few astronomers understand astrology or the archetypal power of names. Is their seeming arbitrary naming the factor in creating the vibration? Or is the vibration already there, waiting to be acknowledged, and so strong that the asteroid itself dictates its name to the astronomer via the circuitry of the unconscious mind that links one to the holographic mysteries of the universe?

Asteroids add real people and real places to our lives and our horoscopes. Connecting them with planets, zodiacal signs and houses, and with each other, produces patterns of relationships describing the persons and places in our life. The asteroids bearing names relevant to your life become your asteroids because the collected names of people and places in your life carry a unique expression of your identity no less meaningful than your birth data.

Because they are so small and so abundant, asteroids can focus upon explicit relationships between people, places and things; they simply identify the name of the who, the name of the place, the name of the what, and when these names connect.

Most of the important whos, wheres, and whats in your life have a body in space with the same name. In the vast majority of instances, the names were decided upon and approved by professional scientists, usually individual astronomers or astrophysicists, or sometimes committees of them. The sounds of names ascribed by these astronomers carry a cycle of meaning relating to events and experiences far beyond the meaning intended by the scientists who named them.

What is a name? A name is a collection of sounds, of letters, of phonemes which gives someone or something an identity. In a mysterious and profound way not fully understood, it appears as though whatever energy motivated the namer to name the asteroid carries an energy through times before the asteroid was discovered, and thereafter. That same energy motivated parents to name their children and motivates humans in establishing relationships or when they change their names. How very common it is for people to establish friendships with several persons sharing the same name. And how common it is to hear people say I never did get along well with people named .... Asteroids can explain why.

The name of the asteroid simply formalizes the energy pattern in a mysterious and profound relevance. The name now has a cycle, it travels through signs and houses, the name now has aspects with planets, nodes and points. Suddenly the horoscope blossoms with people, places and things by name! And these names now have cosmic interactions with each other! Relating the cosmos to specific people, to specific places, is what the wholeness of geocosmic astrology is really about. The difference here is that instead of using a horoscope with only abstract planetary symbols, we now relate the cosmos with the name.
http://jacobschwartzastrologer.com/significanceofasteroids.html

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posted December 24, 2010 10:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lioness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My Starboy is @ 15Virgo conjunct my Dsc
My Stargirl is @ 14Tau

SB trine SG
SB sq Saturn/IC/MC

SG sextile Asc
SG sq Moon, Mercury,Sun
SQ Quix Uranus

In Heliocentric
SG conjuncts Chiron
SG trines Earth,moon,mercury
SG opps Uranus
SG sextile Saturn

SB conjunts Pluto

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posted December 24, 2010 10:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for oneruledbymars     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Awesome discovery Raymond.
It was an incredible find for me.

Soomana is in a huge stellum for me conjunct my Descendant and South Node..it includes:
Osiris,Aura,Aten,Family Name Asteroid, Dodona, and Stonehenge Asteroid, and opposes My Valentine, Angel Asteroids and Saturn.

This all Trines Sirius one of my oldest lifelines.
This a very big hot spot for me in my life experiences, as it all falls in my 7th house and I have learned all of my lessons through intense soulmate connections for the most part.
That the intense research abilities and high dimensional awareness that my Moon/Neptune in Sag gives me.

Whats odd is that I carry most of the Divine Feminine Energy with my Twin, I am aware that I carry the female traits its quite obvious to him and I....Im am way more receptive that he is..and he is way more giving...its a nice Ouroboros.
And Soomana is conjunct my descendant and NN..and family name...craziness!


Sootiyo for me is at 22 Taurus...not really conjunct anything. Though it does connect with my 22 Venus in Pisces...and is inconjunct my Moon/Neptune. And it opposes Uranus at 18 Scorpio.

But whats interesting is the Synastry connection between these Asteroids and my Synastry with Sean.


His Soomana is conjunct his Venus for starters and Saturn widely conjunct Saturn and opposes his Valentine..just as mine does...this is the pattern I always find with him and I..our charts a very similiar in alot of freakish ways that force you to see the importance of Asteroids.

His Sootiyo is conjunct his Ascendant...just as my Soomana was conjunct my Descendant. I love how the way that works.
Also his Sootiyo is exactly conjunct his Karma and Psyche there is very much a Star Quality about him...that everyone comments on. It still mesmerizes me.

This is wild Raymond...our composite Sootiyo and Soomana are conjunct in the 4th and 5th Houses in Pisces along with the Sun with the Sun and widely the /Moon/Mercury/Alma Asteroid, which all two are in Pisces. This is all oppposed by Valentine...such profound Energy..I cannot even describe what we share...I can only show the world.

Sootiyo and Soomana perhaps will be important in the Synastry of TwinFlames Raymond..I will certainly start using it more because of you... And I will let you know when I get a good test group to map.
Great work man!

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posted December 24, 2010 10:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for oneruledbymars     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Lioness you do have a strong connection to the Divine Masculine Energy..it is no surprise that it is on your descendant at all.

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posted December 24, 2010 10:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lioness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by oneruledbymars:
Lioness you do have a strong connection to the Divine Masculine Energy..it is no surprise that it is on your descendant at all.


Yes, I do feel the masculine energy.. Its also conjunct my Vertex and Ceres.. I forgot about those two

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posted December 24, 2010 05:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for vertiver     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for posting that article, Glaucus, that inspired me to look to asteroids again...

Its weird Sootiyo (25 Cancer) and Soomana (28 Virgo) are sextile each other, and Soomana squares natal Venus in the 9th house, trine Jupiter and sqaure Saturn and Uranus and Sootiyo is in the 8th house conjunct natal vertex. I was looking for more native american asteroids, but its hard to find in such a anglo dominated society.

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posted December 24, 2010 05:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
1*Gemini, conjunct my Moon, Venus and South Node

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13*Aquarius, sextile Neptune and opposed my MC.

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posted December 24, 2010 07:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for amowls**     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sootiyo: 4 Gem, a tsquare with my MC/IC axis at 4 Pisces/Virgo.

Soomana: retrograde 5 Virgo, conjunct my IC

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posted January 09, 2011 03:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for blonderiverkat     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
lol Glac...I missed this topic and just started a new thread with the same article on asteroids...oh well...

Good find on the star girl and star boy, they will come in handy to me...we have some strong connections to Starseeds and Hopi's...we are actually going to the Hopi Reservation next month for a little visit... Thanx

Kat

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