posted December 28, 2010 02:21 PM            

i looked up the early signs, i have over 90% of them...i mean the symptoms they used could be experianced by anyone, but i really idenitfy with them to a strong degree, and with so many of them

obviously i'm going to go see a doctor, etc, but in the mean time, i really wanted to share the chart with you guys, can u tell me if i'm going crazy.
http://img262.imageshack.us/i/astro2gw02doihaveschizo.jpg/

posted December 28, 2010 02:28 PM            

What's your natal chart like?

Does it show ultrasensitivity and/or predisposition for schizophrenia?

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No..I am not a Virgo.

posted December 28, 2010 02:31 PM            

funny you mentioned the spiritual connection,
me and my mom do have a really strong connection
we'll call each other at the same time,
later realize we were thinking the same thing at the same time
she dreams things that end up happening to me, or things i'm feeling, or things i did/said. etc

posted December 28, 2010 02:43 PM            

I didn't really see anything in your chart that stood out

It could be your Sun and Mercury in 12th house.

There is also Chiron in 12th conjunct Ascendant.

I don't see any major aspects to Neptune nor Pluto.

There is a possibility of major aspects to Pluto's fellow transneptunian dwarf planets/dwarf planet candidates.

Transiting transneptunian dwarf planet candidate/plutino Ixion is in 17'10 Sagittarius, and that is in a separating conjunction to your natal Moon.

That's similar to having transiting Pluto conjunct natal natal Moon.

It could be evolutionary intensified experiences involving your emotional nature,feelings as well as important woman.

Ixion is said to be associated with second chances. It's also associated with the karmic wheel.

Transneptunian dwarf planet candidate/plutino Orcus is retrograde in 2'55 Virgo, and that is in a separating square to your natal Mercury.

That's similar to having transiting Pluto square natal Mercury.

It could be evolutionary intensified experiences involving your thinking,communications.

Orcus is also said to be associated with matters dealing with oaths and promises.

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No..I am not a Virgo.

posted December 28, 2010 02:50 PM            

quote:

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Originally posted by NickiG:
do you suffer from delusions too? or is it just hearing your moms voice?

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posted December 28, 2010 02:59 PM            

quote:

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Originally posted by NickiG:
ok, signs of schizophrenia usually includes severe delusions, like you really, genuinely believe things like aliens are going to come and abduct you or that they talk to you and other stuff like that...theres also a form of schizophrenia where you are frozen in a strange pose for a very long time, sometimes for hours

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shrugs

There are people that believe that alien communications and abductions are real. They also believe in alien conspiracies. There are definitely people in this forum that believe in stuff like that.

Maybe that stuff is real ,and so they are not delusions nor paranoia.

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posted December 28, 2010 03:03 PM            

quote:

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Originally posted by Glaucus:

shrugs

There are people that believe that alien communications and abductions are real. They also believe in alien conspiracies. There are definitely people in this forum that believe in stuff like that.

Maybe that stuff is real ,and so they are not delusions nor paranoia.

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true, but often times a persons delusions are severe enough to interfere with daily life

posted December 28, 2010 03:04 PM            

Are you seriously thinking that someone on this forum can actually diagnose whether you have Schitzophrenia? Would you really believe someone here if they said "Yes."?

Are people here really thinking that they're going to diagnose this person's Schitzophrenia?

posted December 28, 2010 03:09 PM            

quote:

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Originally posted by Geocosmic* Valentine:
Hmm,

Are you seriously thinking that someone on this forum can actually diagnose whether you have Schitzophrenia? Would you really believe someone here if they said "Yes."?

Are people here really thinking that they're going to diagnose this person's Schitzophrenia?

i already said my intentions are to go to a docotor, i want ot go to one at my shcool, which is closed for the next week....i'm not asking for a dignosis....don't say it like that....i don't intend to take it as the final say...don't be so mean.....this is just one of the souces i turned to and wanted an astrological point of view, i'm going to go to a doctor and expect a medical point of view (that's not what i'm here for though).....
Hmm, if you really believe that you might have Schitzophrenia I suggest you go to a mental health professional right away. The disease is not to be taken lightly to the point where you're asking a forum full of astrological students to diagnose you.

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posted December 28, 2010 03:16 PM            

I do believe that there are astrological indicators for the potential to have schizophrenia

I was actually wondering if there were any astrological indicators for ultrasensitivity which can lead to metaphysical experiences and/or schizophrenia in the chart.

There is a branch of Astrology called Medical Astrology that looks at illnesses including serious mental illnesses like Bipolar. Marcia Starck and Eileen Naumann that does that type of Astrology,and I have their books. It's not used to diagnose people. They just look at potential indicators in the chart,and then they would recommend them to see a doctor.

Nobody here was trying to diagnose anybody here.

I don't believe that indicators for psychiatric disorders are cut and dry because they overlap with neurodivergent conditions.

The person could just be having metaphysical experiences that psychiatrists tend to look down upon as being psychotic experiences.

Our beliefs in Astrology could be viewed as delusion.

I don't believe that anybody of us here could say if a person has a mental illness or not.

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posted December 28, 2010 03:41 PM            

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Originally posted by hmm:
wow, don't be so mean, I DIDN'T COME HERE TO BE DIGNOSED OR FOR MEDICAL ADVICE.....i already said i have every intention of seeing a doctor.....i came here for the astrological perspective....obviously it's not he only one i plan to look at, or take most seriously, but i was curious....maybe astrologically there is a different expilantion why i feel like i'm loosing it lately....

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well you did write

"obviously i'm going to go see a doctor, etc, but in the mean time, i really wanted to share the chart with you guys, can u tell me if i'm going crazy."

you wanted to know if we can tell you if you're going crazy

That would give people the impression that you want confirmation if you're suffering from schizophrenia or not.

I understood what you meant. I was just curious if you have any indicators for ultrasensitivity that could lead to metaphhysical experiences and/or schizophrenia.

I don't believe that you have schizophrenia. I believe that you might be having metaphysical experiences which could be dismissed as psychotic experiences by psychiatrists. I don't trust psychiatry myself after the psychiatric misdiagnoses that I had.

In some ways, I believe that psychiatry is a modern day witchhunt. Joan of Arc would be labeled as having schizophrenia and not witch if she lived in modern times. Jesus of Nazareth might have been labeled schizophrenic or bipolar.

If you go see a psychiatrist, you have to be careful about how you talk about these things. Also, explain to them your spiritual beliefs. They should take that into account.

You should undergo both neurological and psychological testing before getting a diagnosis of schizophrenia.

Also vitamin/mineral deficiences can lead to schizophrenic symptoms. Niacin deficiencies can lead to that. Vitamin B and zinc deficiencies can too. There is a condition called Pyroluria that has to do with pulling Vitamin B6 and zinc out of the system leading to bipolar,schizophrenic symptoms.

Make sure you get physical medical tests done.

In the DSM-IV, it's acknowledged
schizophrenia can be ruled out by medical conditions. They are also supposed to take cultural beliefs into account.

Futhermore, there is also mention that overdiagnosing of schizophrenia is possible in the African American and Asian population in the DSM-IV.

I bought a copy of the DSM-IV,and I have read some stuff in it. I am very familiar with the book. I used it to defend myself against a psychiatrist too. For example, I pointed out that irritability is a symptom of depression and anxiety and not just mania as I was fighting to get my bipolar diagnosis changed to anxiety and depression disorders.

A lot of astrologers will focus on hard Neptune aspects as potential for psychiatric disorders. Hard Neptune aspects are also indicators for the potential to be misdiagnosed. I have hard Neptune aspects,and I was misdiagnosed. I am a good example.

My Moon in Pisces square Neptune indicates my own ultrasensitivity that could make susceptible to schizophrenia and/or psychic experiences. It could also indicate my neurodivergence too. Neurodivergence and ultrasensitivity have a strong overlap with each other too. I am also strong in transneptunian dwarf planet/dwarf planet candidate energy which include hard aspects. Those could indicate ultrasensitivity that could lead to schizophrenia and/or psychic experiences.

People that identify with lightworker,Earth Angel,Indigo,Crystal,and/or starseed could be in danger of being misdiagnosed as schizophrenics by psychiatrists.

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No..I am not a Virgo.

posted December 28, 2010 04:42 PM            

the only think that might indicate the predisposition is your natal mars (1h) - uranus (7) opposition, which indicates mental hyperactivity

Paranoid schizophrenia (with hallucinations) is a result of a conflict within oneself (1 h) that is projected to the outside world (7h) but...I cannot imagine a case of pure schizophrenia without having the Sun seriously affected, and this is NOT your case

anyways, and guess you are fully aware, you MUST see a doctor to find out what's going on!

posted December 28, 2010 05:41 PM            

At what point did you read any type of emotion or judgment in my post that would suggest I was being mean to you? I asked questions and made a suggestion.

posted December 28, 2010 06:04 PM            

Clairaudience is an amazing siddhi and you can hear things ahead in time or in the past very easily, including your mother's own random comments, or her higher self. My friend has this and he hears a lot of random senseless things, but a lot is very direct and meaningful. If you go on anti-psychotics and you're having a kundalini emergence it will be much harder to heal and overcome your illness having had them. Even if you are having psychotic phenomena it could just be a symbol of your blockages as is frequently the case in shamanic initiation and kundalini.

posted December 29, 2010 12:34 AM            

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Originally posted by mochai:
Many schizorphrenia symptoms parallel kundalini and shamanic initiation. I got a psychic reading by someone with schizophrenia and it was exceedingly accurate.

Clairaudience is an amazing siddhi and you can hear things ahead in time or in the past very easily, including your mother's own random comments, or her higher self. My friend has this and he hears a lot of random senseless things, but a lot is very direct and meaningful. If you go on anti-psychotics and you're having a kundalini emergence it will be much harder to heal and overcome your illness having had them. Even if you are having psychotic phenomena it could just be a symbol of your blockages as is frequently the case in shamanic initiation and kundalini.

Also, can you do me a favor and post a link to the early symptoms of schizophrenia that you used?

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posted December 29, 2010 01:51 AM            

A lot of them fit with neurodivergent conditions (Dyslexia,Dyspraxia,ADHD,Autistic Spectrum,Dyscalculia,Tourette Syndrome)

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posted December 29, 2010 02:40 AM            

I suffered with depression and anxiety for too long, and I should never have refused medication for the sake of "doin it naturally".

posted December 29, 2010 07:32 AM            

I would not see a doctor just yet. The person who has had experiences curing bipolar says anti-psychotics tend to make the people much harder to cure. There are cases of things like schizophrenia and bipolar being cured. In one instance a bipolar teen went to Africa and to go through a shamanic initiation with a tribe there and he never had bipolar again. Afterwards he enrolled and attended harvard. There's a book called Soteria that is centered around a house near San Francisco where I hear they cured schizophrenia in many people. For both bipolar and schizophrenia too many of the symptoms mirror individual kundalini expressions in people for me to say it is purely a biological disorder.

Here are some books dealing with schizophrenia from a holistic and healing perspectie.
http://www.amazon.com/Natural-Medicine-Schizophrenia-Healthy-Guides/dp/B001SA RC8E/ref=pd_sim_b_18
http://www.amazon.com/Soteria-Deliverance-Loren-R-Moshe r/dp/1413465234/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1293626581&sr=1-1