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posted December 30, 2010 12:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hmm     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i randomly stumbled accross a video for barack obama.
i couldn't help but wonder if there was something that would make him a good puppet, or ruthless/greedy, etc.
he was born August 4, 1961 at 7:24 pm in honolulu,
here's his chart http://www.astrologyweekly.com/astrology-news/barack-obama-natal-chart.php

here's the video, just incase you're interested http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAaQNACwaLw
((i changed the video, cuz i think this one does a better job covering the issue....same msg though))

what do u guys think??

i really think everyone should watch the video....i'm not saying we should go from gulubly believeing one thing to another....but i think we need to at least start asking questions about the issues presented in the video....as well as asking some of our own obviously....

i didn't really intend for this to be a political issue..just wanted to know the astrological background....although, like the video says....we shouldn't be concerned so much about Obama's profile as the people that are controlling him!!!

ps. start the video from the begining .... when you click on the link it starts like 5 mins into it.

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posted December 30, 2010 01:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Well..I don't believe that morals and ethics could be seen in a natal chart.

Free will is the ultimate factor

now that aside........

He has Sun in Leo in 6th square Neptune in 9th
that could indicate the possibility of a person who can be confident and idealistic , but it can a distorted confidence that can be arrogant,narcisstic. It could also indicate confusion about father figures. He grew up without a father. Reverend Jeremiah Wright was like a father figure for him,and he was instrumental in leading him to Christianity. There is a lot of confusion and suspicion of deception in regards to his religious beliefs. A lot of people think that he's muslim. He had history of drug problems. He even admitted that he used drugs to push out questions about his mixed ethnic heritage out of his mind in his book, DREAMS OF MY FATHER which fits with his Sun square Neptune. It's a book about dealing with his mixed heritage and accepting himself as a a black man.

He has Moon in Gemini in 4th square Pluto in Virgo in 7th, and so that can indicate a very changeable person with a strong urge for power. Powerful women. Women making a powerful influence in his life. Strong women influencing his life like his mother,grandmother,and his wife. Power struggles with women like his run against Hillary Clinton for the democratic nomination for the US Presidency. Transformation of the emotional world. His mother died of cancer. Moon in 4th square Pluto in 7th could also indicate suspicion from others about his place of birth. It could also indicate great changes involving his domestic environment too.

His Uranus-Nodes in Leo in 7th square Midheaven, and this could indicate a person known for being unpredictable,reformer. He could appear as a leftwing radical to others. He was a community organizer as well as a civil rights lawyer. That's also a big emphasis on change. His Midheaven in Scorpio suggests change too. Transformation,strong intense emotional purpose. His Imum Coeli in Taurus indicates his roots had to do with being security-oriented. Its ruler Venus is in Cancer in 5th seems like his love for his children as well as caring about children in general.


He has Mercury in Leo in 6th oppose Jupiter-Saturn in 12th, and that could indicate confident in thinking but can be grandiose. It can appear as arrogance. It could also indicate he can say one thing or mean another. The Jupiter is in Aquarius and the Saturn is in Capricorn,and they are conjunct in 12th house which indicate possible secrets involving religious beliefs. It also indicates the combination of liberalism and conservatism into a form of moderate disposition. The Mercury oppose that Jupiter in Aquarius and Saturn in Capricorn could indicate the conflict of being liberal and being conservative too. Jupiter is his 2nd house ruler in Aquarius in 12th. This could indicate money involves liberal,social programs,charity. With Saturn in Capricorn conjunct it, it can indicate authority and status quo can effect it. The 8th house ruler is Mercury which opposes that 2nd house ruler Jupiter in Aquarius and Saturn in Capricorn in 12th. This could indicate the issues of other people's money like the taxes. Like a lot of conservatives are concerned about his spending and believe that he wants to spread the wealth and just give handouts to minorities.

Jupiter is trine Moon and sextile Mercury. It's a Point of Thales. His Mercury oppose Jupiter indicate conflict between his thinking and his expansive nature,optimism. His Moon sextile Mercury and trine Jupiter gives him an emotional outlet to help resolve that conflict. It could be where he feels optimistic and has faith in life. It can be good for being educated,philosophical,and religious as broadminded. It might even reflect his oratorical skills as well his being a lawyer.


He has an Aquarius Ascendant, and so he appears intellectual and detached. This could give others the impression that he is out of touch with regular Americans. Of course, he appears different in some way. He can appear to be very friendly and a humanitarian as well as a reformer which is strongly suggested by Uranus-Node square Midheaven. The Leo Descendant can indicate self expression,confidence,and taking center stage involved in relationships,partnerships. This could fit with his wife too.

His Mars in Virgo in 7th trine Saturn in Capricorn in 12th could indicate his ability to be practical,organized,disciplined,and strategic as well as dealing with institutions. It's good for ambition too. The wife can be ambitious too.

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posted December 30, 2010 01:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for NickiG     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
where the heck is his pluto????

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posted December 30, 2010 01:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

His Pluto is in Virgo in 7th square Moon in Gemini in 4th.

I mentioned that in my delineation of his chart.

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posted December 30, 2010 01:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for NickiG     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
aah, ok...i didnt read all of that, too long, LOL, i just opened the link and noticed it was missing

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posted December 30, 2010 01:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

shrugs

I was trying to delineate his chart in a detailed and complete way with clarity.

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posted December 30, 2010 01:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for NickiG     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
yup, i can see that, i'll probably read it tomorrow...or the day after...if i'm feeling better by then

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posted December 30, 2010 02:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I looked at Pluto's fellow transneptunian dwarf planets/dwarf planet candidates in his chart

I used no more than 3 degree orb, but I will give a little extra if involves other objects.
30 minutes of arc for declinations


At the very least, transneptunian dwarf planets/dwarf planet candidates have to do with evolutionary intensification because they are evolutionary intensified objects. Evolutionary suggests that emotional and spiritual crisis induced by the presence and passage of these bodies intends to enhance the insight, inspiration, creativity and consciousness.

Preliminary keywords are from Philip Sedgwick's site http://philipsedgwick.com/

Eris
trine Sun - 2'03
enhanced by
declinations:
Eris
contraparallel Sun - '22
(Sun-Eris bilevel)

Positive - liberation from addictions to success or status, clear priorities regarding matters of love and money, finally getting you can't take it with you and applying full resourcefulness in life, recognition of the potency of one's energy and life force, clear sense of the sacred marriages: spirit to body, self to Creator, between soulful companions, personal sense of emergence.

Negative - greed, workaholism, believe that you must take over for God, general sense of being forsaken, condemned or abandoned, lack of spiritual regard for life, superficial, status oriented.

Haumea
square Midheaven - 1'58
square Moon - 2'28
sextile Venus - '54

Positive: Soulful confidence, an unshakeable personal inner knowing, creative, regenerative. Able to reconstruct, redefine, transform, especially regarding consciousness, willfulness and restoring rock solid integrity. Supportive. Fostering. Fertile. Creative.

Negative : Insecure and attention demanding. Dramatic. Egocentric. A bully disposition. Forces head-on collisions. Claims martyrdom and sacrifice to secure attention. Willing to attach to someone else’s momentum or allowing dependent sorts to attach to one’s efforts for self benefit (using non-paid volunteers, fans, devotees).

Makemake in
conjunct Mercury - 1'44
sextile Moon - '42

In Right Ascension:
Makemake
conjunct Sun - 2'20

Positive: Articulate and ultra-communicative. Self-assuredness, especially by verbal means. Clever, quick-witted and interested in invoking insight and inspiration with speech. Quick to report findings, regardless of impact. Courageous, possessing the willfulness to confront the peril required for discovery or spiritual evolution. Conscious of family security and safety. Protection of the brood.

Negative: Cunning and verbally manipulative. Double talk. Diversion of facts. Declaring false findings (laying an egg, so to speak). Taking flight to avoid consequence. Hiding as a coping skill. Reckless. Disregard for safety of the home. Self-serving.


Quaoar
trine Ascendant - '47

Positive - creative, inspiring, possibility oriented, uplifts sagging emotion, strong sense of self

Negative - doom saying, prophet of Armageddon, controls others with fear

Varuna
trine Mars - 2'46
square Ascendant - 1'34 ('11 in Right Ascension)

Positive - sovereign, competent, regulating without force, mastery of all tasks accepted

Negative - incompetent and blaming, laments losses, holds resentment

Ixion
parallel Mars - '04

Positive - understands karmic wheel, gives and uses a second chance, discerning

Negative - lustful, inconsiderate, inclined to repeat errors, learns nothing from experience


declinations:
Sedna
sextile Venus - 1'44

Positive - a forgiving disposition, discernment, clarity of perception, recognition of free will and choice, responsible, conscious of consequence, far thinking, dharma-oriented, does the homework of life

Negative - victimization, abuse, being deceived, history of betrayal, bitterness, “gold digging” attitude in relationship, transfers blame to others, numbs out, goes unconscious

Major theme aspects:
Major aspects except sextiles within 1 degree
Major aspects with accompanying declinations

Quaoar trine Ascendant - '47
Varuna square Ascendant - '11 in Right Ascension


Sun trine Eris - 2'03
Sun contraparallel Eris - '22

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posted December 30, 2010 05:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nine     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
i couldn't help but wonder if there was something that would make him a good puppet, or ruthless/greedy, etc.

He wouldn't have gotten this far if he was self willed.

I'm guessing you're not aware that the system is & has been compromised for some time now.

Bill Clinton, the last Leo to thunder from the Oval Office famously remarked; once you before President you realize all the important decisions have already been made for you.

He tried going against the grain and wound up in "fluffer-gate".

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posted December 30, 2010 01:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mochai     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've only watched 2 1/2 minutes of that video and it's already really disturbing. I can't believe how shut down people are to what's happening right in front of our faces.. and I used to be politically active..

Ok.. and then they threw alex jones into it. He's just as much a puppet as the others.

Also, asteroid lucifer is conjunct Obama's sun.

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posted December 30, 2010 01:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mochai     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Several presidents have tried to do away with the federal reserve been assasinated or nearly so. There are a bunch of quotes floating around about the nefarious influences of the founding fathers and various masonic influences inbetween, in a sense, imprisoning America to their agenda. I don't like the video fully because it seems to blur certain things when in actuality, illuminati was involved all along.

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posted December 30, 2010 02:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by mochai:
I've only watched 2 1/2 minutes of that video and it's already really disturbing. I can't believe how shut down people are to what's happening right in front of our faces.. and I used to be politically active..

Ok.. and then they threw alex jones into it. He's just as much a puppet as the others.

Also, asteroid lucifer is conjunct Obama's sun.



what's the orb on that?

how would you interpret it?

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posted December 30, 2010 02:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mochai     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't know how to interpret that but he was raised in a decent family. I hear it makes you a rebel so.. The orb is 1 degree 20 minutes conjunct.

Here's his chart.
[URL=http://www.astro.com/cgi/chart.cgi?;lang=e;gm=a1;nho2=;btyp=2;mth=gw;sday=30;smon=12;syr=2010;hsy=-1;zod=;orbp=;rs=0;ast=1930%2C3811%2C447%2C1221%2C1912%2C42%2C1923&nhor=1&cid =kwbf]

Also, I was one of the people who bought an obama hope t-shirt.

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posted December 30, 2010 02:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by mochai:
I don't know how to interpret that but he was raised in a decent family. I hear it makes you a rebel so.. The orb is 1 degree 20 minutes conjunct.

Here's his chart.
[URL=http://www.astro.com/cgi/chart.cgi?;lang=e;gm=a1;nho2=;btyp=2;mth=gw;sday=30;smon=12;syr=2010;hsy=-1;zod=;orbp=;rs=0;ast=1930%2C3811%2C447%2C1221%2C1912%2C42%2C1923&nhor=1&cid =kwbf]

Also, I was one of the people who bought an obama hope t-shirt.


Yeah...it can be a rebel, challenge the status quo aspect.


I donated to his campaign and voted for him in the general election. I didn't vote in the primaries because I wanted to stay neutral. My exgf Meghann was a strong Hillary supporter.

I am registered as Democrat, but I have been thinking of switching to Green Party.

I am very liberal overall. I believe that Democratic and Republicans are actually 2 sides of the same coin.


I always had a mistrust in the government.
USA was built on corruption in the first place. There is a lot of ideological discord here in USA.

The USA has an almost exact Sun-Eris opposition in the Right Ascension chart.

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posted December 30, 2010 03:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LuvinU     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Everyone! Happy Holidays! Glaucus - you really delved into President Obama's chart! When I did the below assessment, it was before the election. I decided to assess all the candidates charts and made phone calls to find out each and everyone of their birthtimes. Of course, I didn't get all of their birthtimes and I can't remember if I used the time of 7:24 but this was the gist of what I got of President Obama's chart:

He may be seen as someone who can get to the heart of a matter and/or is willing to dig as deep as possible to find solutions. Transformation is a part of his life. He must guard against being too trusting of others and his surroundings. He values diversity, possesses a broad interest in education, philosophy, foreign affairs, and religion. He may have had difficulty with communicating as a youth and he may also believe there is always work to be done, even at inopportune moments like when he is in a relaxed environment. Growing up he may have been cautious about saying the wrong things. It may have taken him some time to be comfortable with small talk. Serious issues are probably constantly running through his mind. He is constructive and organized. When he speaks of humanitarian endeavors, he is usually optimistic. He should watch out for saying too much or promising more than he can deliver. He is familiar with humanitarian issues and may have been drawn to them from early childhood. He has the potential to be a good coach because he is able to motivate. He may also have great advise concerning children, relationships, creative endeavors, gambling and stock market. It is best to follow a do as he says rather than follow as he does. He can help others be more creative but he must guard against becoming a victim for the sake of others comfort, security and pleasure. He tends to attract partners who are innovative, courageous, aggressive and assertive who are good with children, sports, creative endeavors, speculative pursuits. He is good with working out strategies and finding patterns. He also has the ability to come up with more than a few ways to tackle problems surrounding child development. He should guard against imagining more than doing. Obama’s style and quality of work tend to be innovative, aggressive, and enterprising when it comes to received and given service and health. He is emotionally expressive. His focus and mood is affected by the state of safety and comfort of others as well as whether or not he feels safe and comfortable with others. He has a need to nurture others and to be nurtured by others. He may experience fateful encounters surrounding protecting what's considered safe and comforting through being enterprising where social issues are concerned. He may have a need to feel and be seen as a creative and able leader in order to be in the public light, speaking plays a big part in whatever career he has, and he enjoys being a motivator. The internet has been a powerful force in bringing Obama to the public. He has a need and desire to work for others. He may have spent and will continue to spend most of his life developing his creativity, self-expression and executive abilities. His goal and battle is being front and center because of what he is capable of and what he has done, not the friends he has. He may have a tendency of fully throwing himself into projects and in achieving whatever he sets his mind to which is why he must be careful what he wishes for or what projects he commits himself to, to avoid scattering his energy.

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posted December 30, 2010 03:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for coconutcancermoon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My 8 year old always said that his issue with Obama is that he too frequently says "uuhh" whenever he makes a speach. He says it's because he's dishonest lol, I told him that's the definition of politician, however, I like Obama, he's very eloquent and intelligent and more than anything makes a wonderful role model for young black men.

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posted December 30, 2010 04:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hmm     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by coconutcancermoon:
My 8 year old always said that his issue with Obama is that he too frequently says "uuhh" whenever he makes a speach. He says it's because he's dishonest lol, I told him that's the definition of politician, however, I like Obama, he's very eloquent and intelligent and more than anything makes a wonderful role model for young black men.


how does he make a good role model, he's broken every promise he's ever made and he's working with the greediest most souless people ever to walk this earth like it's nothing.
i always thought black people would be supper ****** off at him, because he was their big chance to break away from some of the negative stareotypes and he's acted like a typical huslter, execpt on a much larger more dangarous scale
here's another video with pretty much the same message
there's more views, so maybe people find it better than the one i originally posted http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAaQNACwaLw&feature=channel

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posted December 30, 2010 05:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for coconutcancermoon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
He makes a good role model because he is black and he is the president, now when I tell my child "you can be ANYTHING you want to be in this world", I will say it with absolute confidence, This will hopefully open the door to many other opportunities not just for black people but many other races and ethnicities.
FYI I'm not ****** at Obama and I don't think anyone has a reason to be.

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posted December 30, 2010 05:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hmm     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by coconutcancermoon:
He makes a good role model because he is black and he is the president, now when I tell my child "you can be ANYTHING you want to be in this world", I will say it with absolute confidence, This will hopefully open the door to many other opportunities not just for black people but many other races and ethnicities.
FYI I'm not ****** at Obama and I don't think anyone has a reason to be.

Have a wonderful evening.


he's the president because the real players needed a toy and a distraction....the msg that sends to black people (imo) is we'll use you as our slave just like we did all those years ago and his actions are showing that they're right not to expect anything more from him (black people)

but w/e. that's just my opinion, u can have urs...
this is a astrology website, not a political one
so we'll just agree to disagree

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black or white, he is far from the first person to get in there and find how small his manoevering space is. wasn't it clinton who said, on LEAVING the white house, that when you finally get there you discover how little has not ALREADY been decided, signed sealed and delivered? being president is a thankless job for someone who wants more than the glory and money involved, and has been for decades...

no president since kennedy has been in a position to do anything but negotiate with the set-in-place agenda...some are better at it than others, some APPEAR to be better at it..

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posted December 30, 2010 05:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hmm     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by katatonic:
black or white, he is far from the first person to get in there and find how small his manoevering space is. wasn't it clinton who said, on LEAVING the white house, that when you finally get there you discover how little has not ALREADY been decided, signed sealed and delivered? being president is a thankless job for someone who wants more than the glory and money involved, and has been for decades...

no president since kennedy has been in a position to do anything but negotiate with the set-in-place agenda...some are better at it than others, some APPEAR to be better at it..


i agree, astrologically i just wanted to know how they pet him....
is it by going for his ego
did he have a lot of neptune which made him oblivious to what was really going on
was he someone who'd be more than happy to join in, in order to fill his pocket, etc....

looking at what Glaucus wrote, it looks like the ego is the target spot.

and evrything you said has been menitoned in the video, lol, almost word for word

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posted December 30, 2010 05:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for coconutcancermoon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes, you are entitled to your own opinion, however morbid or deficient it may be.
I've overstayed my welcome with this thread.

Off to prepare my collard greens and black eyed peas for the new year

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posted December 30, 2010 08:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
As a man that is of Black African, Portuguese,English,German,French,Italian,Puerto Rican,Native American Cherokee ancestry
with a strong possibility of having Jew and Eastern European ancestry, I didn't support Barack Obama because of his being part Black African. With my being a liberal, I supported him because I didn't want 4 years more years of having a Republican president. From the things that I read about him, he fit with my ideology. His voting record and Hillary Clinton's voting record were very liberal.
I was actually leaning more towards Hillary Clinton. My Scottish,Irish exgf Meghann was a passionate Hillary Clinton supporter.
I didn't even vote for him in the democratic primaries. After reading that he was going to repeal the whole Marriage Act and aboutte his being more liberal, I wanted Barack Obama to win. After the Jeremiah Wright controversy , I became passionate in supporting Barack Obama as president. I felt a lot of ethnic/racial conflict me throughout the Presidental Race. Here was a man that was born of an interracial relationship between a White woman and Black man just like myself, and he was getting pinned down as a black man. I was wondering "Do I have to deny most of me to acknowledge a part of myself?" "Do I have to identify as black." It was an issue that was always a great challenge for me. I was consided confused because of my ethnic backgound. I was confused. I was confused not because of who I am, but because of what society overall wants me to be reflected by the lack of multiple option for ethnic/race on forms as well as people trying to pin me down. This was especially coming from Black African Americans.

It's reflected by my t-square of my Moon in Pisces in 6th square the opposition of retrograde Saturn in Gemini in 9th and Jupiter-Neptune in Sagittarius in 3rd. During the Presidential Race, transiting Saturn was in a grand cross to that t-square as well as squaring my Midheaven/Imum Coeli in 11'14 Gemini/Sagittarius. That reflected the aggravation of the ethnic/racial conflict in me. My exgf Meghann broke up with me during the democratic primaries. After the Jeremiah Wright controversy came out, I felt like we were worlds apart.

In the end, I decided that I am not a Black Man. I decided that I am a multiracial/multiethnic American. I identified as one on the 2010 US Census just like I did on the 2000 Census. In the 2000 US Census, I was one of the 2.4 percent of the Census participants that identifed as multiracial/multiethnic which is a bunch of garbage because I know that there are more multiracial/multiethnic people here than that. Most Black African Americans are part European with some having part Native American. At least 1/4 of European Americans are part Black African, and some of them have part Native American.

I don't believe in the unofficial one drop rule either. The one drop rule was created to keep European Americans and African Americans from mixing. Loving vs. Virginia Supreme Court ruling in June 12, 1967 led to striking down all anti-miscegenation laws. People can have relationships and marry regardless of their ethnic/racial background. In my opinion, I believe the one drop rule should have died on the day that all anti-miscegenation laws were struck down.

Any ways..I don't care less about Barack Obama's race/ethnic background.
I only care about his policies.


I hope that there will be a day where I can live in society where there is no more focus on ethnic/racial matters that often leads to prejudice,resentment,hate,fear and bigotry. There is still a lot of it here in USA despite that a part Black African president was elected. All you have to do is check out the yahoo message boards and other message boards. I believe that we still have some ways to go before my fellow Pisces Moon Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.'s dream is realized in its entirety.

I strongly doubt Barack Obama would have been elected if both his parents were Black Africans,had much darker skin,and had black African American slave roots. I also believed that if McCain didn't pick Sarah Palin as a running mate, it could have been a totally different election. He probably would have done much better with Mitt Romney.

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posted December 30, 2010 10:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Because this is a thread on Barack Obama, I wanted to post something that pertains to him.

I wrote it over a year and a half ago.


Astrology of Blacks,African Americans


I know this could be viewed as a controversial post. I believe that anything post that has race as a subject can be very complicated post.This is a post about social matters,issues that many people go through. It is the reality that that race does matter. Racism or to put it more accurate terms, racial bigotry does exist in the world and in the United States of America which is known as Great American Melting Pot but I think more as Gumbo soup.

As many people know, there has been a history of Black African slaves in America. The First blacks in America came as indentured servants in the early 1600's. The United States of America declared their Independence from Great Britain on July 4, 1776, but the independence of all Americans was not in mind when that declaration was written. The Founding Fathers didn't care about Blacks and Native Americans. There were slaves in the White House. Mercury in Cancer was retrograde and opposition to Pluto in Capricorn is an indicator that the declaration of Indepedence was not well thought out as well as trust/power issues. Sun in Cancer square Saturn indicated not just patriotism but also the domestic issues that involve hardship,boundaries,oppression which Native Americans and Blacks,African Americans endured. Mars in Gemini square Neptune indicates illusive motivations. All these aspects can indicate hypocrisy behind the Declaration of Independence because independence was for only the white people in the original 13 colonies at the time. They didn't care about the independence and the rights to freedom,liberty,pursuit of happiness for Native Americans and Blacks,African Americans.

There was a Civil War that took place between the Northern States aka The Union and Southern States aka the Confederacy. the Confederacy broke away from the United States after Abraham Lincoln was elected president who was against slavery in USA and wanted slavery abolished throughout the United States.
The Civil War started in April 12, 1861, when Confederate forces attacked a U.S. military installation at Fort Sumter in South Carolina.
There was a conjunction of Sun and true Black Moon in Aries which indicates not only the aggressive nature of the event but that it was very emotional with countryman vs fellow country man. Eris in Pisces was squaring Mars-Uranus conjunction which indicate controversy,trouble-making,stirring up stuff. It also fits with diversity,equal rights matters involving Black Americans that were slaves in the South. Confederacy were fighting to keep their way of life intact,and that included slavery of Blacks. There was a Mercury conjunct Neptune in Pisces which fits not only idealism,deception, but also victimization in regards to slavery issue of Blacks. There is belief that Abraham Lincoln didn't have sincere intentions in regards to the freeing of blacks and giving them equality.
The Last Battle of The Civil War was in April 9, 1865. General Robert Lee surrended to General Ulysses Grant (future president of USA). Neptune semisextile the Mercury-Eris sextile can reflect the surrender, bridging gaps,creating compromise, but it also fits with the Blacks getting rights. After all, with the Union winning the Civil War, slavery would be abolished in the South. Mercury conjunct Pluto in Taurus indicates transformative communications as well as the breaking down of rigidity which fits with the end of slavery.
There was an opposition of Jupiter in Sagittarius and Uranus in Gemini which to me indicates an aspect of independence,freedom,expansion,luck for Blacks because they were now free.

Blacks in the South didn't have civil rights until July 2nd, 1964 which was the date of the Civil Rights Act signed by President Lyndon B. Johnson. That occurred during Eris in Aries square the opposition of Sun in Cancer and true Black Moon Lilith in Capricorn. That could indicate civil/equal rights matters that might have caused domestic controversy. The true Black Moon Lilith involved indicates women might have felt left out when it came to equal rights. There were inequality issues between men and women and not just whites and blacks. There was an opposition of Saturn in Pisces and Uranus in Virgo which reflected the conflict of old vs. new and conservatism vs. liberalism when it came to civil rights for Blacks. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. was like the main leader of the Civil Rights movement, and he paid for it with his life for he was assassinated on April 4, 1968. Sun and Saturn were in an almost exact conjunction which indicate violence and even death (Saturn was traditional ruler of death before Pluto was discovered) and definitely a day of sorrow. Mars was conjunct the heliocentric North Eris Node indicating violence in connection to diversity,equality matters. Mercury-Venus in Pisces in opposition to Uranus-Pluto in Virgo could indicate the unexpected martyrdom.

Even though Blacks were able to vote and were no longer segregated, interracial relationships were against the law until
the Supreme Court decision of Loving vs. Virginia on June 12, 1967 which led to striking down all antimiscegenation,anti-interracial relationship laws in USA.
Sun in Gemini square Pluto-Uranus conjunction in Virgo indicate a day of transformation,change,revolution. Sun quincunx Neptune in Scorpio can indicate the dissolving of intimate boundaries being highlighted. The conjunction of Jupiter and Venus square the conjunction of True Black Moon Lilith, the North Lunar Node,Heliocentric North Eris Node in Taurus indicates the freedom,expansion of love,relationships in connected to diversity,equality.

There was a slur that was used against Blacks by many whites during the days of slavery in and is still used to this very day. The slur is called "nigger" It was a term that white slave masters use for their black slaves. It came from the word,Negro (Spanish,Portuguese for Black). This was a very common term in the United States during the Civil Rights days. Even in the 1980's, it was a common used word against Blacks. As we got into the 1990's and 2000's the word, "nigga" was used by blacks as a brotherhood,endearment term. Some of it was connected to Rap music which became very popular by the mid 1980's. Personally, I can't stand the word, "nigger" and "nigga". I have been called both terms numerous times into the 2000's. My first time was when I was 9 years old, and I felt that initiated me into the Black experience,helping me realize what it's like to be Black. I feel that there is much less racism now, but I feel that racism is still a problem in USA. I also found that the internet seems like a common way to express one's racial bigoted feelings for I see a lot of racial bigotry online. I read many racist comments to yahoo news stories that involved race relations matters. There are also Klu Klux Klan Chapters that still exist in United States. There is White Supremacy site called Stormfront too.

Even President Bush had even admitted to NAACP that racism is still a problem in USA when he had talked to them on July 20, 2006. Mercury in Cancer square Eris can indicate the communicate about domestic diversity,equality matters. Venus in Cancer sextile true Black Moon Lilith in Virgo seems to fit with opportunity to deal with equality matters. Mercury in Cancer quincunx the sextile of Pluto in Sagittarius and Ceres in Aquarius could also indicate the discussion about domestic issues involving racial matters. Saturn in Leo oppose Neptune in Aquarius has to do with dealing with what's real and what's not real as well as dissolution of boundaries like idealism removing rigidity.

A historical moment happened when Barack Obama, the son of a Black African man and a White American woman was elected president of the United States on November 4, 2008. which occured during a minor grand trine of Neptune in Aquarius sextile the trine of Venus in Sagittarius and Eris in Aries as well as the oppositions of the co-dispositors of Neptune in Aquarius which indicates the dissolution of cultural,racial boundaries and the accepting of diversity and equality. That fit with Barack Obama's Sun trine/contraparallel Eris,Sun square Neptune,and his Sun conjunct Heliocentric North Neptune Node. Saturn in Virgo and Uranus in Pisces is the old vs. the new as well as liberal vs. the conservative. Please note that there was a Saturn-Uranus opposition during the Civil Rights Act, and it had the same zodiac signs but they were switched around. Many hailed Obama's election as Dr. Martin Luther King Jr's dream being realized. President Obama was hailed as the first Black, African American President. That is something that I totally disagree with. After all, his mother was white. Why does the one drop rule persist (You're part black, then you're black). In most of USA's eyes, President Obama is black. That means, that I am black too in the eyes of USA for I am the son of a white mother and black father like President Obama. President Obama is different from other presidential candidates with black that ran for president in the past. All the other candidates were darker than him. All of them were born to parents that were both Black,African American and had Black American slave roots. Obama is not the son of 2 Black,African American parents nor does he have Black American slave roots. He didn't even grow up raised by black parents and barely knew his black father. He was mostly raised by his white maternal grandparents. Therefore, I don't see how his election proves that racism is not a problem in USA. There are strong differences in perceptions between blacks and whites in USA when it comes to race relations. There are racial disparities in many areas in the USA.

In 2008, USA was recorded to have a Black,African American population of 12.8 Percent. Blacks,African Americans are the largest minority in USA. As a white majority country, USA has the largest black minority population compared to countries in Europe, Australia,and Canada.


in 2008, USA was recorded to have a multiracial population of 1.7 Percent.
That's pretty small. I believe that there are a lot more multiracial people than that. I can't be just one of only 1.7 percent of the population. From the things that I read, most Blacks,African Americans have some white ancestry. I also read that 1/4 of White Americans have some Black,African American ancestry. It seems like being multiracial isn't some type of concept that is widely accepted by Americans. The one drop rule still exists with the notion that a person can be of only one race. I find that ridiculous.

Race relations matters have been very delicate subjects to talk about in USA, but I feel that these things need to be talked about. The racial divisions during the Reverend Wright fiasco showed the racial divide between Blacks and Whites about the perceptions on things in related to race.
The racial division during the Professor Gates/policeman thing with President Obama giving his 2 cents shows the divisions between whites and blacks when it comes to race relations. I do believe that Professor Gates shouldn't have been arrested in his own house by the policeman, but I do believe that he overreacted. I believed that both men overreacted. I don't believe that President Obama should be slammed so hard by many White Americans for the things that he said on July 22nd when True Black Moon Lilith in Capricorn was square Eris which can indicate diversity,equality issues. Some people branded him a racist which I feel stems from prejudices connected to his history with his former pastor,Rev. Wright. As a person that is part black, this man knows from experience about racial profiling. I know Blacks personally that suffered from police brutality and racial profiling. Heck...I was once pulled over by the cops and had to put my hands on their police car like I was going to be arrested when I was 17 walking outside at night. They thought I was somebody else. They let me go, telling me that they got the wrong person who was wearing white shorts like I was.

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