posted December 30, 2010 07:38 AM            

will he make it???

i see plenty of signs he is a talented artist. at 0 degree Libra, Pallas Athena cj. Mercury (ruler of 5th, 6th and Stellium house) and Karma. Mercury is cj. Venus too. Aphrodite is cj. Vertex. Euterpe (muse of music) is sextile the Mercury/Pallas Athena/Karma cluster. Asteroid Talent is square his MC though, can that mean that his talents work against his career goals?

he has Neptune and Lilith in his 10th. i think he can be too much of an opportunist, a passive one at that…

posted December 30, 2010 09:36 AM            

What I can tell you is that your partner needs to learn self-promotion skills since he's lacking in that area or he needs to find an agent. Either way, he needs to get himself promoted. This is essential if you want to be an actor, musician or work in any other area int he entertainment industry. If he's too shy or passive to do this, he might as well give up the musician dream now.

If he is serious about a career in music, I suggest he start small and volunteer to compose music for student films. Start building relationships up with film students who seem promising.

If he would rather be a "pure" musician instead of making music for films, the chances of success are even smaller. Of course, I guess it depends on his definition of success. What does he hope to achieve? Does he define success as achieving fame? Or is he content enough to make enough money to make ends meet? Fame is damn difficult to achieve and talent isn't enough to get it. You have to be in the right place at the right time and know the right people. You also have to appeal to the masses. Looking attractive and having a good personality helps. However, this is difficult to achieve.

The other option is to be more of a local musician. It is challenging to base your entire income on working as a musician, though it is a bit more doable than trying to become a celebrity. Until he builds up his reputation, he needs to find a job--any job-- that will allow him to bring in a steady income. Perhaps he can get a teaching certificate and teach music at a school or find work as a waiter in a popular restaurant where he'll meet a variety of people who can possibly help him get his foot in the door. He does, however, need to make sure it is a job that is flexible and/or allows him time to work on his music.

posted December 30, 2010 04:38 PM            

however, he's done most of it during his life time… it's just that in the past there was no need to "fight" for his career goals. it's not uncommon for people to have this life style where we live. what he wants/needs isn't fame. it's money, so that he doesn't become homeless. but hopefully more. a good humane life. anyway time is changing and it's harder to get by …

the reason i turn to astrology (i'm looking at it without telling him) is not because he doesn't know what to do (except self-promotion…). he used to be in a famous band(s), he's currently working on a theatre production, etc. in the last 3 years or so, his life made a drastic turn and everything is going against him. he has physically and psychologically deteriorated. it is out of question for him to find a job, he will not be able to make music. it's not an excuse, he's already half dead-ish right now (= not fit for live gigs). lost in the struggle to survive, he also lost all his contacts/friends. he was a happy-go-lucky with many friends all over the continent. i learned the possible mechanism of how a normal person may end up dead in the street, despite all…

i'm just desperate to know, "will his current battle prevail?" for 2+ years, i've witnessed all his efforts and plans get stomped out. it's incredible how artistically life weaves out the most intricate unsolvable tangle of disasters. it's like a Les Miserable-esque twist-of-fate/misfortune-ridden scenario…! it would make a good film! lol…

i'm just… i want to look for the answer in the stars at this point. all i can do is to be optimistic and encourage him. he doesn't want any sympathy, just fighting and fighting. we are "together", but there has been no intimacy for ages. it's just not possible in the midst of misery. we'll make it out of this and we'll be happy again, together.

ok, maybe not everything is written in the constellations in the sky like "he will succeed". but i see his problems are slowly but gradually clearing out after the loooong Saturn transit over his Stellium. it was a serious life/death phase for both of us. the worst has passed. now it has to get BETTER.

posted December 30, 2010 05:28 PM            

all the best <33

posted January 01, 2011 08:57 AM            

well, to be precise music isn't necessarily his "passion"… it's just what he does… if he had the chance he could certainly write music for famous singers of any genre, but he is looking more into making music, not as art or as a way to push his identity and fame forward, but simply as a income source. so he could produce stuff for TV, films and theaters, these don't have to "make it big". they buy his stuff, he gets paid, done deal… which he does from time to time. but he's not "in" the business so it's not enough right now.

he can also sell his film scripts to support his income too. he's finishing one up and the TV station offered to buy it… before his life got filled with obstacles and he could not finish anything anymore.

posted January 01, 2011 04:52 PM            

it's super sweet that you read my post and give me advice, i really mean it!!! but could anyone kind look into the transits and natal? i would like to get help reading the chart... i don't mean to sound know-it-all and been-there-done-that, but he's not a young aspiring musician. he's old and done most things. he probably doesn't need much advice and already have strategies of his own.

posted January 02, 2011 07:15 AM            

i'm not impatient, we should all be enjoying the new years!!

posted January 04, 2011 01:44 PM            

in case you want to skip all the posts, i make it short here.

my partner is trying to get out of the muddy hell of life/financial disaster. music is his main profession and i can see in his chart he has the talent too. but will he make it or will he end up a loser bum?

he's eating garbage to get by, today flour mixed with water, tomorrow boiled water with salt and 1/2 onion and stuff like that. his health is declining, because of the neighbour's noise pollution prevents him from sleeping at all for 2+ years. that's just the tip of the iceberg. it's like a Victorian slum melodrama. as you can see he's a hardcore Virgo with Cap AC, and this guy analyses that it is highly possible that his body will give up and just die if it goes on this way.

he's working everyday. but he feels more like he's just waiting for death.

posted January 05, 2011 01:01 AM            

Oh dear lord, i know he is not the only person faced with a reality like this, I am so sorry for your and his situation.

Work is hard to come by, on a local level here grocery stores are hiring bag boy's a lot older than they used to look...

posted January 05, 2011 01:31 AM            

quote:

---

Originally posted by lechien:
just bumping the thread.

in case you want to skip all the posts, i make it short here.

my partner is trying to get out of the muddy hell of life/financial disaster. music is his main profession and i can see in his chart he has the talent too. but will he make it or will he end up a loser bum?

he's eating garbage to get by, today flour mixed with water, tomorrow boiled water with salt and 1/2 onion and stuff like that. his health is declining, because of the neighbour's noise pollution prevents him from sleeping at all for 2+ years. that's just the tip of the iceberg. it's like a Victorian slum melodrama. as you can see he's a hardcore Virgo with Cap AC, and this guy analyses that it is highly possible that his body will give up and just die if it goes on this way.

he's working everyday. but he feels more like he's just waiting for death.

can someone see if his chart shows his success? or at least have a decent humane life?? is this a chart of a person who dies on the street from starvation?

---

Using the Koch system I have pisces interception. I Don't know how interceptions are handled in most systems but the koch interception resonated most with me, but so did the placidius. I think the koch system was more of a personal thing, as it alluded the affects of both my parents on me, where as the placidius system alluded to the external effects.

For instance, I was able to see using the koch system that my mother had always wanted me to do something great, humanitarian, and eccentric, like a doctor, or a CPA, or something great academicaly that could gain reputation, while she simultaneously, and paradoxicaly nurtured my artistic side.....pisces was intercepted in the 10th house with the moon, mars, and pallas, and recently, as it progressed out, my artistic side surfaced in an extroverted fashion, I went from being afraid to sing, to singing until everyone told me to shut up.

On the other hand, my dad taught me to be leonian and individualistic and leaderlike while also heavily being over critical of everything I did, from the way I ate to the way I shot a layup, and would flinch at the site of me even trying to dance, or sing, but atleast I found a resolution to that, and that was going back to the oldies where we had common ground...and playing songs for him that were written from his youth. He finaly said, your damn good at that son, after you get your cpa i think you should persue music as a hobby, and you may even make it. That to me was jubilee.

The moral of the story is this...drugs, seemingly unrelated, but very related. With pisces intercepted, I would say that htis person should never, ever look for inspiration for or from suffrage involving drugs. Marrygang, will call it, reaked havoc on my life and had affects on me that It does not on others.

This man will be inspired by work. His son is biquintile saturn, but to truely tap into this as an expansive ability will require some internal dialogue and time, as jupiter is sextile saturn. We see jupiter retrograde in aries, which can explain many things you mentioned, like him waiting on his luck rather than seizing it...

I Think immersing himself in a competitive environment will ultimately be ideal for him. He has his north node in the house of partnerships, competitors, and enemies.....he needs to be competing, like I do for different reasons, my mind works best when i'm racing against someone else, mercury conjunct uranus there.

I can't do a full chart interpretation, I just added what was similar to mine...to contribute, but this man is very talented when it comes to understanding the soul space of others...to me the 8th house has always been about reflection of the soul, the fourth the actual soul, and the 12th the spirit, the houses in the middle the multidimensional interface of them all. The soul is outside you see, but when we reflect, and go into the underworld - 8th house matter - we see it on a surface of water we think it's submerged in.

This man has alot of soul recognition, but it's latent and will manifes tmore over time. If you look at alot of soul artists that make it big early, they have similar planets but in the second and third house, but these artists usually are overatted - think elvis......where as the bruce springstings and bob dylans, and tom petties, they are the ones with th eplanets more out and away from teh first couple houses.

There's just so much to say about this man, but he seems very talented. He needs to learn alot about himself by reflecting of others, not necessarily listening to them, but just experimenting like that, and he needs structure. Trust me, the more structure the better, but he has to work alot on presenting himself, like I do, very few planets in the third house, my brother has alot of planets there and he's really good at networking naturaly, where as I have to learn alot about that.

With pisces in the second house and chiron there, his music, if he finds it, should and will heal, and he should be or recive much money from this...be weary however, delusion from dionisian things like alcohol tobacco and other things like the ganja will block his healing ability, will open up his own wounding further. He may actually be a great composer fo rthis reason rather than a solo artist. He has been wounded in the arts and money, his self esteem is low there, that's obvious though because of the questions.

posted January 05, 2011 08:07 AM            

thats interesting theory about Koch and Placidius. i never really got the difference, since in my chart the changes are subtle, and just stuck with Placidius…

i wonder if it's his Virgo/Capricorn influence (hardcore self-discipline ?), but drugs, as well as alcohol, had never reached the point of destruction in his life. due to lack of money he never could afford a constant supply of drugs, though he's been exposed to it throughout his life. last year, he drunk hard alcohol daily to make reality less scary and sleep (well, get unconscious), and he feared that he was really starting to become an alcoholic (both his parents were alcoholics). but he didn't, and he is proud of it. but of course he was existing like a zombie… BUT, he is addicted to nicotine. he's constantly nervous otherwise. he goes through a pack of rolling tobacco in 2-3 days (that's 40-50 cigarettes). the impact aside, these things do seem to be featured in his life.

as for being in a competitive environment… he has NEVER been in a place like that. he would do everything to avoid competition. wow, i wonder how that might play out, maybe it's good for him once he is in a situation like that? i could see it spicing up his motivation actually. most musicians, even the successful ones, are nowhere near his level. to add to that, he can make any genre of music without difficulty. he's pretty humble about it, but it's clear that it's so easy for him. a little competition may fuel his creativity, true.

he keeps his thoughts to himself when it comes to deeper things of life, but i think this period really made him change his attitude toward life. in the past he was ok with what he could get from the government, never exploited it or anything to get more out of it. now he wants to upgrade his life and stop being "under" the social care, and means to rise above. he considered other ways to make his life straight, music with live performance, script writer, and he still wants to finish his PhD thesis on philosophy/anthropology, when he is in the condition to work on it, but nowadays getting a job as a professor is difficult. he wants to do so many things. but little time and it is as if the world around him wants to get in his way.

i agree with the Jupiter retro thing… i have it retro in the 7th house, and we are identical in that respect of waiting luck. not a good pair for career matters. in any case, you are right about structure. we both have zero structure in our lives… it's the bohemian life style, which can be good or bad depending on one's ability to give structure in life.

lastly, about his self-esteem, it roots way back to his childhood and the abuse he received. no point in lamenting over spilt milk, but without the trauma i really think he had so much potential to become successful. he has a neurosis to sabotage when he is close to being successful… he was once in a famous band, even.

anyway, i don't want to be pushy of course, but if you are into looking into it a bit more, maybe the transit, i'd really appreciate it. you gave me some really important insight.

Mblake, thank you. yes these are the hard times for many. i'm sure we'll look back to this time and gasp at it in amazement! at least we still have the sense of humour… we have miserable moments, but we spring back! times like this emphasises the good things in life, like, i look forward to the time i can eat at a restaurant, buy new clothes and underwear, visit museums and travel! it'll feel so good!