posted January 01, 2011 11:18 AM            

after reading your impressive essay on unrequited love i was truly impressed. Wondering if you work as a professional astrologer. If so, how can I contact you for a reading

posted January 01, 2011 11:47 PM            

Ha. Ha. I am not a professional astrologer, but I have been studying astrology since around age 13 and have a lot of observation under my belt. My favorite topic is of course the astrology of love and relationships, so those are the things I pay attention to the most. Whenever two people I know became involved I like to take note of their charts (in other words I’m really nosey). The same thing celebrities. I’m not even into Twilight, but I know that Kristen Stewart and Rob Pattinson have a Venus/Mars trine in Gemini and Aquarius.

Nordicsoul, If you want I’ll give you some relationship interps. Please be patient though, sometimes it takes me a few days to a week to get around to these things.

I copied and pasted this from the Unrequited Love thread and I’ll give it a shot on this thread when I have some time…

NORDIC SOUL HOUSES

5th house cusp at 2 degrees virgo. Ruler square the following his vertex (0.02 orb) midheaven (0.12 orb)his chiron (0.41 orb)his venus (2.14 orb) his saturn (1.33 orb) his uranus (3.19 orb) sextile his mars (4 orb)

His venus, vertex, uranus, pluto, fall into my 5th house. Sun it is in my 5th house as well, but 2 degrees away from 6th house cusp.

7th house cusp at 9 degrees scorpio. Ruler conjunct his venus (1. 36 orb), semisextile his mars (0.10 orb) conjunct his uranus and pluto (orb within 2), sextile neptune (0.06)
His neptune in my seventh

My descendant scorpio. He has no planets in my 8th house

8th house at 8 degrees of sagitarious. Ruler oppose his 5h house ruler moon (1.06 orb) semisquare his 7th house ruler mercury (0.45 orb) oppose his AC (1 orb)

SIGNIFICANT OTHER HOUSES
5 house at 6 degrees cancer. Ruler oppose my 8th house ruler jupiter. Trine my mars (2.23 orb) my sun (3.24 orb) my venus (4.43 orb).

All my cancer stellium is in his 4th house (sun 3 degrees, mars 2 degrees, venus 5 degrees), but venus makes a conjunction to his 5th house cusp (within 2 degrees orb) and sun (within 4 degrees orb)

7 house at 2 degrees of virgo. Ruler conjunct my south node (0.22 orb), semisquare my 8th house ruler jupiter (0.45 orb)

My pluto-uranus is in his 7
His descendant in virgo. None of my planets fall into his 3rd house

8th house at 16 degrees of scorpio. Ruler quintile my venus widely (1.44 orb), my neptune falls into his 8th. The natural house

PLANETARY ASPECTS
His sun square my sun, venus, mars (tight orbs)oppose my chiron (0.11 orb)BQ my AC (exact) and trine my MC (0.52 orb)
My sun trine his moon (3.24 orb) semisquare his mars (1.26 orb) trines his AC (1.18 orb)

His moon oppose my jupiter, semisquare my north node, Trine my mars (2.23 orb) my sun (3.24 orb) my moon (4 orb) my venus (4.43 orb).
My moon square his saturn (0.32 orb) biquintile neptuno (exact) square his chiron (2.46 orb) his vertex (2.06 orb) trine his moon (4 orb) square his venus (4.18 orb)

His venus square my mercury (2 orb) my moon (4 orb) conjunct my pluto (1.36) uranus (3.22) and sextile neptune (2.14)
My venus semisquare his mars (0.07 orb) square his sun (1.56 orb) trine his moon (4.43 orb)quintile his pluto (1.44 orb) trine his AC (2.38) sescisquare neptune (0.10 orb)

Hi mars semisquare my sun (1.26 orb) semisquare my venus (0.07 orb) trine my saturn (3.51 orb)square my neptune (4 orb) semisextile my pluto (0.10 orb)
My mars square his sun (0.25 orb) trines his AC (1.18 orb) trine his moon (2.23 orb) semisquare his chiron (0.37 orb)

posted January 02, 2011 12:10 AM            

Here’s my post from the UNREQUITED LOVE thread.

From what I’ve noticed from lurking around at Lindaland, and just from life in general, it is quite common for aspects that are typically considered ‘romantic’ not to be felt mutually, and sometimes not even by one of the people involved. Perhaps there is an astrological reason for this that has not been discovered yet, or perhaps it has something to do with how house rulers aspect each other between charts, and what houses they fall in. There is no way to know for sure. What I do suspect is that in our life times we are fated to, or have the karma to, have certain kinds of relationships with the different people we cross paths with, and that the synastry we have with each person plays out according to connection we karmicly have to them. Like if you have a Venus/Pluto conjunction with your kung fu teacher, and you were only ever destined to teacher and student, this conjunction may only be about him teaching you how to kill gracefully. But if you have a Venus/Pluto conjunction with someone, and you were fated to be romantically involved it may be about the strength of your attraction to each other. In the case of an unrequited attraction, one person may be fated to feel it as a strong physical attraction while the other is fated to be indifferent, or even repulsed by the other. There is no aspect that guarantees that you will be loved or not by someone else.

However once the relationship ‘type’ between two individuals is in place I’ve seen that the relationship usually plays out according to themes and issues shown in synastry. For example if you had Venus/Mars with your grandma she may hug and kiss you a lot, and give you lots of advice about relationships and romance, but certainly you are not attracted to your grandma. This is not to say that intense attraction is not common in the right situations with Venus/Mars aspects. It’s just that there is some unknown factor at work, where sometimes an aspect will function in distinctly romantic/sexual way between two people, sometimes with only one of the people, and sometimes with neither. However the energies of these two planets will still be present in the relationship but they may just function in a more platonic way. Like with positive Venus/Mars there may simply be a mutual appreciation of some type of art, or an ability to work in physical harmony. I once had a yoga instructor who had Mars opposite my Venus and I did really respect him and see him as a strong and confident person, but I didn’t have the hots for him, even though he was quite handsome.

Not that I’ve got my ramble about karma and fate etc of my chest I do what to take a look at some real and valid astrological reasons for why sometimes attractions can be lop-sided. The first reason is really basic and obvious. Hard aspects between a ‘male’ planet and a ‘female’ planet. Now the tricky part with this one is that sometime hard aspects simply point to an attraction being really intense and dramatic. There are other instances though where, usually the person with the ‘female’ planet, feels turned off by the person with the ‘male’ planet, who insists on pursuing them despite their objections.
The second, and I think most important, reason for unrequited love has to do with house overlays, and the relationships between house rulers in synastry.
House related synastry has a very powerful effect on how relationships play out. And is a very common reason why you can be attracted to someone with whom you have weak synastry, or not be attracted to someone with whom you have strong synastry. The houses most connected with attraction between the sexes are the 5th, 7th & 8th.

The Dsc relates to…
Affection/liking/completion/marriage/the most significant other in life/

The 5th relates to…
Romance/adoration/courtship/the glamour of falling in love/

The 8th relates to…
Intimacy/sex/power balance/emotional and psychological merging/

If someone else’s natal chart matches the symbolism of these houses in your chart then an attraction may occur even if the synastry is weak. If the symbolism of someone’s chart doesn't match the symbolism of these houses there is unlikely to be an attraction even if the synastry is strong. When I speak of symbolism matching I’m referring to house related synastry in three main ways. 1: Important planets in someone else’s chart fall into your the 5th, 7th or 8th houses. 2: The rulers of your 5th , 7th, or 8th houses strongly aspect important parts of the other persons chart (if it’s vise versa THEY are more likely to be attracted to you). 3: the signs prominent in connection with your 5th,7th or 8th houses show up strongly in the other persons chart. E.g. you have a Capricorn Dsc ruled by Saturn in Gemini, with Scorpio on the 5th house cusp, and Jupiter in Aquarius in the 8th… and then you wind up with Scorpio Sun with Venus in Capricorn, Moon in Gemini and Sagittarius rising… the signs and planets from the other persons chart match what is shown on your 5th, 7th and 8th houses.

For each of these houses (the 5th, 7th & 8th) check the sign on the cusp and its ruler by sign, house, and aspect, as well as what planets are within that house. People whose natal charts reflect the symbolism pertaining to these houses are the ones who resonate most with your notions of the ideal mate. This is especially true with the 7th house. Being an angular house, and the house specifically concerned with significant ‘one on one’ relationships, any connection with this house opens the door to the possibility of a long-term co-existence. The 5th and the 8th houses add to the core influence of the 7th in terms of preferences regarding what excites you about others initially, and what you need to feel close. If someone were to activate your 5th or your 8th without also connecting to the 7th in some way, they may be viewed as temporary ‘fun’ (the 5th), or as someone to help usher you through some intense experiences in life (the 8th), but the bond is unlikely to be lasting. When other peoples’ planets activate these houses either by falling in the house itself, or aspecting its ruler, they stimulate feelings in you related to the theme of that house. In terms of aspects to the house ruler, the conjunction is the most potent because there is both energy (aspect) and a symbolism (sign) fusion between the planet and the house ruler. The more important the conjuncting planet is in the partners chart the more significant the connection is.

Where the topic of unrequited love shows up in all of this is that if the are strong connections between someone else’s 5th, 7th and 8th houses and your natal chart they are very likely to be attracted to you. If your 5th, 7th and 8th houses do not also connect with their charts you may not reciprocate their feelings. And vise versa of course. Sometimes both charts connect in this way but one persons chart connects way more powerfully then the other one. In these cases the attraction might be mutual, but one person might be far more infatuated than the other one. If the charts of both people have a strong symbolism matches to each other involving the 5th, 7th and 8th houses then wonderful. This is when two people are much more likely to have a rich and fulfilling romantic relationship that goes both ways.

That being said, if the planet synastry is weak (and by weak, I mean no typical ‘romance’ aspects Sun/Moon, Venus/Mars, Moon/Mars, Venus/Uranus, Sun/Venus, and Venus/Pluto) and you do have an attraction only because of house related synastry, that attraction might always be mild as there is no planet on planet action to really get the juices flowing. Planet on planet synastry can move things from a mere appreciation to a deeper level of involvement. If you only have house overlays and house sign matches to go by there may not be enough ‘energy flow’ between you to get the relationship off the ground. On the other side of the fence, I do believe it is also possible for a really strong and potent (very tight orb) 'romance aspect' to create an attraction even if the house connections for romantic feelings (the 5th, 7th & 8th houses) are weak. In these cases, however, the reaction is likely to be that although you can see the person in question as having a certain appeal on a physical level, you may feel they are not you're type in terms of personality. Like you can see and appreciate their beauty but feel they are not right for you.

Basically, my point is that the most intense attractions are created by a combination of the right planet on planet aspects, with strong and mutual house symbolism connections for the 5th, 7th and 8th houses between peoples charts. If An attraction based on house symbolism alone is mild and weak. But planet on planet ‘romance aspects’ aren’t enough to make someone feel as if they are your type without the relevant house connections. It’s a balancing act between these two factors. Good planet syanstry (typical romance aspects) is positive in any relationship but it may not have a sexual flavor unless two people’s house symbolisms connect in certain ways. If your partners 5th, 7th & 8th relate to your chart symbolically this will show how attracted to you they are likely to be.

Some other factors that I have noticed causing attraction, regardless of planet synastry, are hard aspects to the Vertex, especially the conjunction and opposition, and the partner's planets in the house symbolized by the Dsc sign. e.g. if you have an Aqua Dsc look at you 11th house to see if your partner has important planets in your 11th house, or if you have a Taurus Dsc look to see if your partners planets fall in you 2nd house etc. With regard to the nodes, connections to the south node represent the sheared past between you, and connections with the north node show how others help you grow forward.

Most recently I’ve been exploring the east point-west point axis, or the Equatorial Ascendant. I’ve been studying other astrologers work, and this axis seems to be connected to our idealized notions of how things should be and our personal biases. Where as the vertex is connected with a feeling of fatedness and synchronicity in relationships, the EP (east point) has to do with people who resonate with our personal preferences in some way. On a personal note I have was surprised to discover the quite a few of my most significant attractions had planets conjunct of oppose this axis. Going back to the subject of unrequited love, perhaps one person’s chart strongly aspects another persons Vertex and EP, While the other persons Vertex and EP remains untouched. An unrequited lover may think that It’s fate (the Vertex) that has brought a certain person into their life and feel that that person has many characteristics that resonate strongly with their personal preferences (the EP). Meanwhile, the other person in question feels none of these things with their unaspected Vertex and EP.

The End

Then Lonake made this interesting point: “One funny thing, is how many men who are attracted to me who fill up my 7th house, and they do nothing for me. Like one right now who puts his Sun/Mercury/Venus/Mars/Jupiter/Saturn in there, and altho I like him as a friend, it's just not the same..Darn it though about his houses, he's still looking for his birth certificate..I'm gonna remind him when I see him tomorrow.”

My response: Lonake, That’s the funny thing about house overlays. It’s like 8 times out of ten it’s the house person who’s attracted, but then there’s always those other 2 cases where the situation is ‘flipped’ and it’s the planet person that falls in love. Just goes to show that although astrology works it’s not always predictable HOW it’s going to work. On a side note, I’d love to know what your planets are doing in his houses also.

posted January 03, 2011 04:25 AM            

Try downloading AstroWin. It’s a free astrological program that has tons of interesting calculations in it.
Once you have downloaded the program, and calculated and saved your chart on it, click on the data heading. The data heading gives all the info on your chart in print form. One of the calculations is called the Equatorial Ascendant. The Equatorial Ascendant is just another name for the East Point.

If you are wondering where to download AstroWin from, just Google it. It’ll be easy to find.

posted January 03, 2011 06:19 AM            

Yea, I also see interesting things when looking at these points in synastry.
For example I share an exact Venus/Westpoint and Ceres/Eastpoint conjunction with someone very important..

posted January 03, 2011 11:10 AM            

quote:

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Originally posted by Lotis White:
Lioness,

Try downloading AstroWin. It’s a free astrological program that has tons of interesting calculations in it.
Once you have downloaded the program, and calculated and saved your chart on it, click on the data heading. The data heading gives all the info on your chart in print form. One of the calculations is called the Equatorial Ascendant. The Equatorial Ascendant is just another name for the East Point.

If you are wondering where to download AstroWin from, just Google it. It’ll be easy to find.

Happy researching!

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Thanks!! Ok I downloaded it, but Im little confused whats what..

posted January 03, 2011 10:39 PM            

Ceres is the largest known asteroid so I’m assuming it’s quite significant. I’m not sure I’d give it the same significance as a planet though. I’ve never really studied Ceres in depth to be honest. But recently I read an Astro essay talking about how Ceres is like a combination of Virgo/Cancer in it’s influence, and is connected with service and nurturing , like how we nurture on a day to day basis.

Lioness, the Equatorial Asc it the same as the East Point. So your East Point is 18 Pisces and your West Point is 18 Virgo. The Co-Asc and the Polar are two other sensitive points in your chart. Actually I have some essays I copied and pasted from other Astro sites by professional astrologers that cover all these points in case you are interested..

ESSAYS ON PERSONAL SENSITIVE POINTS

Disclaimer: These essays are not written by me.

***Special points in your chart***

Ascendant - This is the same as the cusp of the first house. The Ascendant refers to your physical body and how you meet the world, how you present yourself.

Midheaven - This is the same as the cusp of your tenth house. The Midheaven refers to how we rise and fall in life, our social position and our orientation to our family, culture and history.

Moon's North Node - Our direction in life. How we form relationship bonds with the environment as well as people.

Vertex - A point in our chart were we tend to feel out of control. It is a place where we easily give ourselves over to something beyond the scope of our own life.

East Point - A place of idealism and perfection in your chart. It functions as another way of contacting people.

Part of Fortune - A point where we put many parts of our motivation together in a personal way. It shows personal joy and fulfillment.

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The Personal Sensitive Points (PSPs) of Astrology
Michael Munkasey, (C) 1995

Astrologers have seven "tools" available for helping them interpret
astrological charts. The names of these tools are the: planets (and
asteroids), signs, houses, aspects (or harmonics), the personal sensitive
points (PSPs), the fixed stars, and cycles of the heavens. Generally
fixed stars and the cycles of the heavens are infrequently used, but they
are still a part of astrology's long heritage. A greater tragedy is a
focus on only two or three of the PSPs. Thus, there is a need for
education on their usage and meanings.
There are eight PSPs available for use by astrologers. They are a set of
paired points which lie across the chart opposite each other. The names
and abbreviations of these points, their opposite side, their
intersections, and locations are:

The Personal Sensitive Points and their Intersections

Personal Its Opposite Formed by an Location side in
Sensitive Point Side's Intersection of the horoscope
Name Name the Ecliptic and in general

Ascendant(ASC) Descendant(DSC) Horizon Left

MC IC Meridian Up

Equatorial ASC Equatorial DSC Polar Axis Left

Vertex(VTX) Anti-Vertex(AVX) Prime Vertical Right

Co-Asc. (CAS) Co-Des. (CDS) Co-Equator Left

Polar Asc. (PAS) Polar Dsc. (PDS) Co-Polar Axis Right

The Aries Point (APT) Libra Point (LPT) Equator Zero

Moon's North Node (NN) South Node (SN) Moon's Orbital As defined
Plane

It is important to realize that the PSPs fall out from the astronomy of
astrology. These are not hypothetical points. For further information on
the astronomy of these points please see "Essentials of Intermediate
Astrology," Lorraine Welch, Editor, 1995, NCGR; and "The Astrological
Thesaurus, Book One, House Keywords," 1992, Michael Munkasey, Llewellyn
Publichers.

Astrological interpretations for these points are not easy to come by.
As a subject area the PSPs are quite neglected. Often, where there is
some information the incorrect names for the points are used, some of the
points are omitted, and their interpretations are sparse. Work on the
interpretation of the PSPs has continued throughout modern times. Two of
the PSPs, the Ascendant and the Moons Node, have been astrologically used
since at least 400 BCE (Before the Current Era). The MC and IC have been
noted and used for hundreds of years. Recent interest in the other PSPs,
especially the EQA and the VTX, has begun to grow, and articles about them
have been appearing in the literature. Unfortunately, the EQA is often
mis-titled "The East Point." This incorrect naming came from the pens of
editors in the 1930s who felt that the name "Equatorial Ascendant" was too
long for their readers. But, the name "East Point" refers to another
astronomical location, and EQA is the correct name for the astrologer's
point.
Note that when one side of the PSPs is referred to the other side is also
automatically included, whether specifically mentioned or not in the
reference.

Each of the eight PSPs describes some part of worldly interaction and
human mind. It is important to realize that the PSPs deal with various
parts of consciousness, and that is partly why they use the term
"Personal". They are personal to each living moment. They are "personal"
to the location, the time of day, and the time of the year in all
situations. The PSPs in a chart show certain ways that the mind grows
from, responds to and interacts with the various socmic enegies.
The Ascendant represents that part of mind which deals with the physical
human senses. Tha ASC acts like a gatekeeper for human consciousness.
The Asc takes in sensory impressions and shunts some aside into the
unconscious, while allowing others to pass into the conscious side of the
mind. This "shunting" is a very important part of the ASC's function.
Without it our conscious mind could quickly become overloaded with the
mass of detail we encounter every day: the rattle of a newspaper, the
noise of children outside our homes, a radio in the background that you
are not particularly paying attention to - any one of these sensory inputs
could easily overwhelm your mind if you had to pay equal attention to each
of them. The ASC is a part of mind that allows you to take in and shunt
such impressions aside. The ASC also is the means we use to let others
"see" those parts of our personality we want them to see. We all are more
than our appearance, yet the ASC is that part of our mental inside which
transmits the appearance we wich others to see. We are more than what
others see and hear, but those parts of us that we let go through our
mental gateway is the immediate impression that others receive, and these
too are part of ASC.
The Midheaven is that part of mind which allows us to maintain continuity
with the inner "us" from day to day. We all know that we grow as people
and change from day to day, but what is there inside of our minds that
allows us to recognize ourselves as the people we knew one month ago, or
one year ago, or ten years ago? It is the MC portion of our mind that
helps us to maintain this continuity of existence. The MC represents that
part of our consciousness which defines who we want to be and how we
mature as people to become what we want to be in life. When the MC part
of the mind is affected then people have a difficult time dealing with
reality because they can not maintain any daily continuity about who they
are as people. I like to use the keyword "maturity" for the MC. The MC
represents how we choose to mature as people through the expiriences which
pass through the ASC.
The Equatorial Ascendant represents a part of human mind which lies
between the unconscious (or that which we are not directly conscious of,
our "hidden mental images") and the conscious. There is a part of our
mind where we go to relax, take stock of what is happening, evaluate life
and our attitudes, perhaps even form new attitudes. The prejudices we
were taught, or the prejudices we were born with, reside in the EQA region
of mind. It is here that we go when we are half-asleep or half-awake to
formulate impressions of how we are performing or progressing in life.
The EQA is where we go to evaluate self and life and how self is reacting
to life. The EQA represents idea and image formation, or idea birth. The
EQA is where we go to evaluate self. The EQA is where we go to evaluate
how we "think" others do or do not accept us. Many of the reactions that
go on at the EQA level are only half-conscious. Self-evaluation is an
important concept for the EQA.
The Vertex represents pathways and opportunities, but then so does the
Moon's Node, so it is important to recognize their differences. The
Vertex is a part of the human mind, whereas the Moon's Node represents
events, people, or opportunities in the physical world. Did you ever
"wish" that life's circumstances could be different? Did you ever "wish"
that you could be taller or shorter, brighter or prettier, richer or live
in a larger house, drive a better car? We all have this mental "wish
mechanism" which is represented by the VTX. When we wish for these
changes the VTX part of our mind goes out and tries to set up
"opportunities" for these wishes to come true for us. The VTX part of our
mind connects to the minds of others and then tries to set up "encounters"
whereby others can enter our lives to effect changes. Wishing for a new
car? You are out driving, and someone runs a stop sign and totals your
car! You get your wish! You now have to get a new car! Be careful of
what you wish for because you may get it. You didn't specify HOW you
wanted the new car, just that you wanted one. This is a typical VTX
interaction. The VTX is very necessary because often people will not or
can not affect change by themselves in their life. Thus the VTX sets up
an "interference" mechanism that allows others to come in and use our
resources or time to effect our wish fulfillment.
The Co-Ascendant represents those parts of mind that gather information
which have nothing to do with physical senses. The ASC deals with the
sounds, the sights, the touches, tastes and smells of life, but, the CAS
deals with the "wibes", the impressions that we somehow get from others
around us. People are heard to say "I get good (or bad) vibes from that
place (or person)." Just what does that mean? That they receive,
somehow, some non-sensory inputs to their psyche that strongly influences
their feelings and attitudes? These "influences" come in through our CAS.
The CAS represents what are called "tertiary sexual characteristics" or
impressions about people or events which have no basis in the five
physical senses. Why is it that some people appear as "good" while others
appear as frightful? Why can an actor or actress turn a part of persona
"on" or "off" and appear convincing while doing this? It is because of an
ability to use or manipulate the CAS quality.
The Polar Ascendant has much to do with an ability to win others over to
our thoughts and ideas. The PAS is particularly well used by public
figures who can address large audiences and make each person in that
audience feel both comfortable and as if they are being personally
addressed. The PAS has to do with being able to set up circumstances
whereby your attitudes and ideas can become accepted or acceptable to
others at a non-sensory level. Sales people often use their PAS to good
advantage when convincing others that they should or should not do
something that they had not perviously considered. A good politican uses
his or her PAS to convince others that he or she sincerely cares about
their personal needs. The PAS is also helpful in getting "the vibes"
about an area, or a company in general, etc. The PAS helps us to do on a
larger scale what the CAS does for us on a one to one scale. For
instance, John Philip Sousa wanted to write musical love ballads, but his
ballad music did not become popular. His PAS is connected with his Mars
in his Eighth house. But, when he took those same tunes and notes but
rewrote their tempo in march time he produced the marches which we
recognize today. It was just the manner of presentation that had changed,
the notes were the same, but the change now used a natal astrological
strenght which others could relate to in a larger way.
The Aries Point always lies at zero Aries for everyone, and thus it is
how it is located or situated in a chart that becomes important. The APT
represents the impersonal in life: impersonal situations, the people who
pass through our lives that we never really get to know, events that occur
around us but which don't really immediately affect us, the ability to
detach from situations so that you are not emotionally involved in the
activities, etc. In some ways the APT is the opposite of the CAS. The
CAS involves emotional interaction, while the APT protects you from the
various damages that emotional involvement can bring. The APT allows you
to detach and become impersonal about events. This is why some people can
perform jobs or do acts that are repulsive to others. They are able to
draw on their APT abilities and "detach" from the event while still
interacting with the circumstances. People with a strong ability to use
APT energies often are able to say one or two words which can change
other's lives. The APT function is important in the lives of therapists
who must interact with people and their lives, yet not become involved
with them at a personal level.
The Moon's Nodes have been interpreted at two levels: one is an event
level, and the other is a karmic level. It is the event or human level
that I wish to address here. The important difference is that at the
event or people level the Moon's Nodes have and use keywords, whereas at
the karmic level the placement of the Moon's Nodes in the signs and houses
take on certain meanings that some have interpreted as being oriented
toward soul growth. The Moon's Node (NN) represents corridors, channels,
pathways, connections, intersections, grooves, or paths. The NN can
represent anything from a rain gutter on a house, a traffic circle, a
hallway in a home, an alleyway, to a river channel. Anything that somehow
channels or puts something into a pathway, is represented by the NN. A
man I know once broke his ankle when he stepped into a street gutter
incorrectly. Transiting Saturn was conjunct his NN at the time of this
accident, and Saturn represents falling, and the NN the gutter. The ankle
is also the means by which the foot is "connected" to the leg. The idea
of "connections" remains strong with the NN. Anything, any means, that
allows something to go from one place to another, is associated with the
NN. The NN also has much to do with sexual magnetic attractions between
people. It also has to do with being able to channel or focus for innate
abilities which make certain difficult tasks (like playing the piano well)
easy to do at an early age. The NN is versatile.

All of these PSPs are especially important when considering compatibility
between people. When one person's PSPs are connected to another person's
PSPs then "lines of communication" between the people open. Whether these
will be used for good or ill is up to the people, but having more lines of
communication open is better than having fewer lines of communication open
between people. A person's Sun, Moon, Mercury or ASC strongly aspecting
your EQA can open lines of communication to some secret and inner parts of
your mind. You could well find yourself sharing parts of your innermost
thoughts with this person that you would not share easily with others.
Such are the roles of the PSPs.
It is important to remember that the PSPs are there whether or not they
are use. They are all equally important. No one PSP is more or less
important than another. Try them in all of your astrological work. Use
them with the same orbs you would assign to the ASC or the MC. Do not
neglect one just because you are not familiar with it - it is still
working whether or not you choose to use it. Use all of the PSPs you can.
They really do work!
By John Townley

Although most astrology software programs include the option of the Vertex in the natal chart, few astrologers actually use it, so there isn’t much written about it. I was a student of Charles Jayne, who along with L. Edward Johndro pioneered its use, so here is what I learned about it from him and subsequently from my own practice.

What it is

The Vertex is the intersection of the prime vertical (the local perpendicular East-West plane) with the ecliptic in the West. Look straight up, then look West, and there it is, either above or below the horizon (7th house cusp) usually within a house or two.

How to calculate it

If you don’t have a computer that does it for you and have a table of houses, you look up the IC as if it were the MC and then go to the Asc for the co-latitude (90-birth latitude) of birth. That’s the Vertex.

When it got noticed

Astrologers never used this point for interpretation until electrical engineer and astrologer L. Edward Johndro and astrologer Charles Jayne began to do so in the 1940s. Johndro called it the “Electric Ascendant” as he believed the physical basis of astrology to be electromagnetic and so divided up its major components into electrical and magnetic natures, complementary to each other as they are in a wire conducting a current, in which the electric charge moves along a wire and creates a magnetic field at right angles to it. He believed the ordinary Ascendant on the horizon plane to be the Earth's magnetic component spatially, and the prime vertical at right angles to it to be the electric component, hence the title. After looking at it in various horoscopes, he and Jayne proposed a meaning for it which is important, unique, and rather vague all at the same time.

What it means

Jayne taught that it was a point of fate or destiny (older astrologers threw those words around a lot), at which things happened that determined the path of your life. They could be large and obvious or small and seemingly insignificant at the time, but you would look back later and say everything changed at that point, in retrospect. How that actually seems to happen depends on whether it is a transit or progression to a natal chart, the comparison of one natal to another, or in a relocation. In a transit or progression, you can expect an event that will be life-changing, of the nature of the transiting or progressed planet involved, for good or ill. And, conveniently (or rather inconveniently), you may miss it entirely at the time, but it will begin to become clear as time passes. Hint: keep your eyes open to blossoming developments in the rear view mirror. I haven’t seen a lot of concrete effects here, but other astrologers claim they have.

Comparisons are another matter, and here the Vertex seems to play a major role. People with a planet on your Vertex, particularly the Sun, tend to have inordinate effect upon you, regardless of who they are. Quite often you’ll find that contact in marriage charts and in repeated love affairs, the result of which can be you find yourself recurringly involved with the same rising sign, because that sign’s Vertex tends to fall on your Sun or other important planet. The contact can be with a spouse, an important teacher, or some other major mentor and obviously life-changing contact – or it can be with someone whom you hardly know but who does something that critically alters your life, like the stranger on the curb who sticks his arm out to block your path as you are about to step in front of an oncoming car. In synastry, it’s a factor to definitely include, as it’s usually important. If someone has a planet or angle on your Vertex, be particularly aware, as it may be stickier and have a longer-lasting effect on you than you might surmise. As in other crossovers, that may warn you against a number of problematic birth years which have the outer planets posited on your Vertex. People born then could be conduits for trouble, simply because of their age. Conversely, the day the Sun is on your Vertex in any year produces people who can help you immensely, even without meaning to, and in ways neither of you may immediately recognize. Of course, you probably won't see it clearly until it's already happened, which is what gives the "fate", "destiny", and "karma" flavor to the point, since you don't have the control and free will you'd like to, and are by definition blindsided. Along with nodal contacts, Vertex contacts give you a particularly strong feeling of being connected to a larger cosmic family that crosses the ages, connected by planetary degrees.

Perhaps equally important is its role as the third angle in locational astrology. A location is considered strong if you have one natal planet rising and another on the MC (sometimes called an astrodyne), so if you add another on the Vertex, it makes that spot even more important. When you’re there, you get a triple whammy each day when that set of three degrees hits all three angles. It would be useful to have it on AstroCartography maps, but no program includes it to date. The best you can do is look for crossing lines and then cast a chart for that spot to see if the Vertex is included as well.

In general, the Vertex falls in with the lunar nodes as having the feeling of fated destiny, contact with other worlds and other lives where there’s more going on than meets the eye and it’s critically important, to boot. Why it should be so is anybody’s guess, but then, why not? The prime vertical is not left out in astrology in other ways – the now-popular Koch house system is based on time measured along the prime vertical, so why not use the Vertex? Actually, more curiously, why is not the Anti-Vertex equally used, the intersection of the prime vertical and the ecliptic in the East, near the normal Ascendant? Actually, in my experience, it’s the axis itself that is important, not just one or the other, though the Vertex shows up more dramatically in partnerships, being the 7th house cusp in a complete set of houses projected upon the prime vertical.

So, go put the Vertex into all of your charts, if you haven’t already, and see if Destiny awaits you and your Fate is to have been missing it all these years…

The East Point symbolizes contacts, manner of interaction (persona),
relationships with others, and environs (Ascendant) when one is out among
the general public (Aries). I have found this to be the case. For
example, transits to this point indicate meetings out among the public (on
the street, in public buildings, etc.) It does indeed refer to those
components of relationships which take place out in public or which gain
public notice, and to our public persona.

Interesting that some astrologers (for example, those who use the Meridian
house system) employ the East Point in place of the Ascendant.... the East
Point is the way one is known for conducting oneself in public, while the
Ascendant is the way one interacts with others in more personal situations
(symbolically, specific to one's birthplace). This would imply that only
people who know us well could validate the pictures and aspects to the AS
while those who know us only in public situations would validate the
pictures and aspects to the EP.

This brings up the issue of relocation charts. We use the birthtime to
indicate how cosmic conditions imprinted and impacted our personalities at
birth... it would imply that if we change the angles to our relocated
residence, it follows that we should also change the planets for the date
and time we arrived at that new location to stay. For those who have
actually recorded the date and time they arrived at a new city of
residence, the new chart is quite noteworthy.... it is a chart of a new
life(style). You could also do synastry with your birthchart to see what
the challenges and changes are/were.

INTERPRETATION Both the East Point and Antivertex can be interpreted as auxiliary Ascendants. That is, they function as additional keys to one’s basic identity, action, energy, drive and self-expression.

They do not seem to be AS important as the actual Ascendant, but do offer useful clues to major themes in the nature of the individual. Either angle requires more attention when a planet falls closely conjunct it. This is almost as significant as having that planet conjunct the Ascendant. The planet(s) involved denote major, keynote principles of that individual’s sense of self, identity, assertion and being in the world.

HOUSE PLACEMENT

We begin with house placement because it is the most limited and simplest to cover. Since it IS limited, it is NOT the most important factor, but a part of the picture. (Aspects are the most important factor, in my experience.) Generally, house placement suggests very mild themes. Pay attention when a theme or issue is repeated by other configurations in the chart. Always, what is most important in the nature and horoscope will be repeated—said over and over again.

When the East Point or Antivertex falls in the twelfth house, there is a slightly Neptunian flavor to the identity, assertion, basic self-expression. This can manifest as idealism, high expectations, grace in action, escapism, or a number of variants. Extremes include, “I am perfect and can do as I please.” versus “I SHOULD be perfect and if I am not, then I am nothing.” God and the infinite are a role model for self.

An eleventh house placement suggests Uranian overtones to the identity. There is a hint of the rebel, the revolutionary. Personal freedom is more emphasized. Unique self-expression is more significant. This can be original, innovative, creative or chaotic, unpredictable, destructive. Friends and open-minded activities, associations are role models for the individual.

Placements in the first house add a little emphasis to the “I am what I am” theme. There is a little more directness, forthrightness in personal self-expression. Freedom needs are slightly more intense. Whoever the person is, the identity is in a bit more “pure” form, more readily apparent.

Second house placements tie the theme of pleasure from the material world to the self-expression. This can range from pure self-appreciation (“I like myself.”) to hedonism, potential over-indulgence in food, drink, possessions, collecting or spending money, etc.

THE WEST SIDE STORY

If the East Point and Antivertex operate as auxiliary Ascendants, then logically the West Point (opposite the East Point) and the Vertex (opposite the Antivertex) operate as auxiliary Descendants. Again, they are not usually as important as the actual Descendant, but do imply themes. If repeated elsewhere in the chart, the themes are significant.

The Descendant, Vertex and West Point are all keys to our close, committed relationships. They symbolize the feelings and experiences we seek through close others (spouses, live-in partners, therapists, etc). Often, they operate as points of projection, that is, these angles can point to qualities we tend to meet first through other people; attributes of ourselves we may learn to face through seeing someone else express the energy. The danger with projection is overdoing. If one person in a relationship is “doing it for” someone else, the first person is likely to do TOO MUCH of whatever the quality is.

So, each angle axis—Ascendant/Descendant; East Point/West Point and Antivertex/Vertex relates to that basic self/other polarity. Each gives us clues about balancing self-will and independent action with sharing and committing to others. Generally, it is easiest to personally identify with the eastern end of each axis. It is easiest to disown and see as “out there” (in other people) the western end.

This potential of “giving away” a part of who we are and unconsciously attracting other people to manifest that missing side contributes to what has been called the “fated” quality of the Vertex. Where other people are involved, we have less control and less power than where we are concerned only with our actions and attitudes as an individual. People who externalize responsibility for their own lives call such interactions “fated.” I prefer to operate within the world view that life is a mirror; we attract people we can learn from. Everyone in our lives is teaching us about a part of our own nature and potentials.

Both axes then (East Point/West Point and Antivertex/Vertex) point to a basic self/other polarity in the life that must be faced. In any opposition, the goal is integration. There is a natural complementarity. Both ends need each other to be fully effective. There are two major dangers with any opposition (polarity) in the horoscope. One danger is swinging from one extreme to the other. It is not uncommon for people to overdo one end of a polarity, then—in reaction—go to the opposite extreme. Some people spend their lives flip-flopping from one end of the seesaw to the other. The second danger is projection. In that case, the individual identifies with one end of the polarity and denies its opposite. So, unconsciously, that individual attracts other people who are expressing that opposite quality. The problem is, they are usually carrying it to an extreme. So, when we see exaggerated behavior, it is a good idea to look into our own psyches at what we may be denying.

Each opposition brings a set of themes connected to that polarity. So, East Point/ West Point or Antivertex/Vertex across the first and seventh houses is the basic self versus other polarity. This can be the pull between self-assertion and doing what one wants versus pleasing and accommodating to others. It can be the dilemma of freedom (personal independence) versus closeness (a committed love relationship). We can alternate between extremes or overdo one end, or pick someone (unconsciously) who will overdo for us.

Placing these angles across the second and eighth houses puts the focus on the issue of handling the physical, sensual world comfortably with others. We may be internally torn between self-indulgence (whether around food, sex, money, smoking, drinking, etc.) versus control of the appetites. We can externalize the conflict by identifying with one end and unconsciously selecting a partner to play out the opposite end of the seesaw. Then we spend our time fighting about spending versus saving or sex or other forms of giving, receiving and sharing the physical pleasure world. The goal is to be comfortable within ourselves in our handling of physical possessions and pleasures and also to be able to receive from others; give to others and share equally with others in an intimate context.

Where these angle axes fall across the fifth and eleventh houses, we are again dealing with freedom versus closeness issues. A part of us wants to be independent, off doing our own thing, unique, not following anyone else’s rules. Another side of who we are wants to love and be loved; to be special; to be admired and looked up to in an intense, emotional relationship. One side of our being emphasizes the intellect, the detached, objective mind; another side values the heart, feelings and emotional responses from others. We may externalize the conflict by feeling torn between friends and lovers or children. Or, we can identify with either end and attract the opposite from others in our lives, or flip-flop from one side to the other until we learn to have some of both in our lives.

The opposition across the sixth and twelfth houses by these angles points to a need to truly blend our dreams with reality. We are learning to be both idealistic and realistic. If not handled, we may swing from rose-colored glasses, gullibility and disillusionment or escapism to hard-nosed insistence on doing everything exactly by the book. Or, we can identify with one end, and attract significant others who overdo the opposite side. Our work arena (and our health) are often areas where we are learning to take the small, reasonable steps to reach our visionary goals. If we do not integrate this polarity, we may job hop, each time looking for a more ideal situation, or suffer from ill health because we are not doing that incredible, wonderful visionary work which we feel we OUGHT to be doing. It is all well and good to have a “calling.” We must just be able to ground our visions in the physical world, to do what is necessary to turn them into an actuality.

Remember, anything in the chart which is important will appear in the form of a repeated message. Major issues and themes are highlighted in a number of different ways. These two angle axes can suggest potential areas of analysis, but we need to look for confirmation in the rest of the chart to be sure the focus we choose is truly of major import.

posted January 03, 2011 10:59 PM            

My Equatorial Asc is in my 1st
Co Asc in my 12th
Polar Asc in my 7th..

My Polar Asc conjuncts my Vertex and Ceres..

posted January 12, 2011 06:02 AM            

Dear Nordic Soul,

Given that I no nothing of your relationship, I’m going to assume that you are a couple. So I have written my interpretations from the this point of view. I have also taken the perspective that the house person feels for the planet person because this is the most common scenario. However, sometimes the situation is reversed (and the planet person feels for the house person). So if the interpretation feels ‘off’ reverse the roles and see if this is fits better.

PS … Hope you haven’t given up on me. It took me a while to find the time to get these interpretations done.

NORDIC SOUL HOUSES
5th house cusp at 2 degrees Virgo. Ruler square the following his vertex (0.02 orb) midheaven (0.12 orb)his Chiron (0.41 orb)his Venus (2.14 orb) his Saturn (1.33 orb) his Uranus (3.19 orb) sextile his mars (4 orb).

Things you say may resonate with him profoundly and stick in his mind. Your words have a meaningful impact on his choices (Mer/VX). There may be some conflict between your desire for attention and communication and his public reputation or job situation (Mer/MC). At times, if your feeling ignored, you words may hurt his feelings and unwittingly agitate old wounds (Mer/Chiron). If he is feeling displeased with you for any reason he may choose to withdraw and ignore you, rather than going for a big verbal confrontation (Mer/Sat). This tends to set off a pattern of you becoming critical, and him just ‘switching off’, when he feels there is too much pressure coming from you. On a more positive note, some of the things you say make him simile and feel affectionate towards you. Sometimes what you say to him comes off as sounding a little odd, but this stimulates his curiosity and can seen as an endearing trait by him (Mer/Ven-Uran). How you talk can also rev up his enthusiasm.

His Venus, vertex, Uranus, Pluto, fall into my 5th house. Sun it is in my 5th house as well, but 2 degrees away from 6th house cusp.

His capacity for showing affection, his generalized self expression, his originality, and his private intensity all resonate strongly with some cherished romantic ideals of yours. You find him exciting as a lover, enjoy being in his presence, and find that he strongly suites your romantic preferences. The connection with the 6th house indicates he may also be of some practical assistance to you, or at least have an impact on your day to day work situation. Also if Virgo is on the 5th house cusp and the Sun is conjunct the 6th (Virgo) house cusp, it also enhances the romantic connection. This is because your notions on love may strongly involve 6th house type things. Things like helping each other, working together on mutual concerns, communication and shearing advice on how to perfect certain matters in life, being of service to each other in some way, and paying attention to the details of each others needs. With the right person these can feel like personal expressions of romantic love for you.

7th house cusp at 9 degrees Scorpio. Ruler conjunct his Venus (1. 36 orb), semisextile his mars (0.10 orb) conjunct his Uranus and Pluto (orb within 2), sextile Neptune (0.06)

Your way of relating touches his capacity for compassion and acceptance. Whatever your differences elsewhere, he is able to sympathize with you and understand your relationship needs with sensitivity and kindness. Your standards of devotion, fairness and cooperation are in harmony with his idealism, and you may find him to be caring and gentle in his treatment of you (Pluto/Nep). Your intensity and way of relating inspires his affection, and makes him feel appreciative of you. There are strong warm feelings between you (Ven/Pluto). There is something about this relationship which is surprising, refreshing or exhilarating. You wake each other up to things not previously considered, and there is an interesting ‘electric sparkle’ between you. This relationship also brings him in touch with his own inner intensity and propensity for extreme feelings (Pluto/Uran-Pluto).

His Neptune in my seventh.

He may feel this relationship with you brings to life some private facet of his imagination, fantasy world, and that he can openly discuss these things with you.
You may see him in a rather glamorous ethereal light, and have a rather idealistic image of him and the relationship. The two of you may go off into your own little world together. The term ‘dream lover’ pops into my mind with this overlay. One or both of you my see the other as a romantic ideal.

My descendant Scorpio. He has no planets in my 8th house
8th house at 8 degrees of Sagittarius. Ruler oppose his 5h house ruler moon (1.06 orb) semisquare his 7th house ruler mercury (0.45 orb) oppose his AC (1 orb).

His manner of self expression wins your affection and makes you smile, and there is something about his vulnerability that turns you on. You may feel as if you want to melt into him. He is cute to you. There is cheerfulness and joy between you during your private moments, however too much bluntness from you may sometimes hurt his feelings. Usually though, your enthusiasm can cheer him up and help him to feel more positively about life. He may appreciate your directness and optimism. He may also sense that there is an attractive magnetically quality about you that quietly draws him in and makes him want to share of himself with you. There is laughter and fun in the relationship. As well as a deeper sense of connectedness that does not need words (Jup/Moon-Asc) . There may be some playful teasing between you, and disagreements may be dealt with using humor or sarcasm at times (Jup/Mer).

SIGNIFICANT OTHER HOUSES
5 house at 6 degrees cancer. Ruler oppose my 8th house ruler Jupiter. Trine my mars (2.23 orb) my sun (3.24 orb) my Venus (4.43 orb).

See above for full moon opp Jupiter interp.

He may be impressed with you energy, beauty and whole self expression in general. It’s as if you radiate a special light that captures his attention. He sees you as being very special, and feels you possess many of the personal traits that he prefers in a romantic partner. He likely adores you, sees you as an ideal lover, and harbors strong feelings of love for you. This makes him want to impress you and give of himself for you. Even a little appreciation or encouragement from you does a lot to brighten his world. Honest and sincere compliments from you can make his confidence shine, and stroking his ego (within reason) really helps this relationship to run smoothly (Mars-Sun-Ven/Moon).

All my cancer stellium is in his 4th house (sun 3 degrees, mars 2 degrees, Venus 5 degrees), but Venus makes a conjunction to his 5th house cusp (within 2 degrees orb) and sun (within 4 degrees orb).

With Cancer on the 5th house cusp, the 4th (Cancer) house takes on added significance in romantic relationships for this person. Cancerian-like personality traits and activities tend to ‘turn them on’ and aid in strengthening the fun, playful side of the relationship. It is important for him to feel ‘at home’ with his lover, and to feel as if they are like a soft refuge from the hard cruel world outside. The conjunctions to his 5th of your Venus and Sun indicate that he greatly admires your beauty and charisma. While the fact that your Cancer stellium falls into his 4th house indicates that yes you are for him like a soft place to land, and that he can be ‘real’ with you in private. This is a very important part of the bond for him. Your stellium in his 4th may also make him feel extremely protective of you.

7 house at 2 degrees of Virgo. Ruler conjunct my south node (0.22 orb), semisquare my 8th house ruler Jupiter (0.45 orb)

The is a feeling of familiarity about this relationship, almost as if you know each other from some distant time and place that can’t be remembered (Mer/SN). As mentioned before, the Jupiter/Mercury aspect indicates playfulness, and directness of speech. Sometimes, you may have silly little disagreements that may have to do with differing ideas on how things should be. Yet over all you respond warmly and positively to each other during discussions. Even if your opinions sometimes irritate him, he sees the relationship on the whole as being uplifting, and leading in a positive direction (Mer/Jup).

My pluto-uranus is in his 7
His descendant in Virgo. None of my planets fall into his 3rd house.

(Do you mean none of your planets in his 6th house? The 6th house is the Virgo house.)

He finds your capacity for intensity and originality fascinating, and this relationship allows the two of you to get to the bottom of things together, and explore what‘s below the surface with certain issues. The two of you may share an unusual interest, and feel as if it’s you’re the only ones who ‘get’ each other in this way.

PLANET SYNASTRY

It would take too long for me to get into each individual aspect, so for the planet synastry I’ll just give my general impressions of each configuration.

PLANETARY ASPECTS

His sun square my sun, Venus, mars (tight orbs)oppose my Chiron (0.11 orb)BQ my AC (exact) and trine my MC (0.52 orb)

This is a very passionate relationship. No doubt you both feel intensely for each other… in both good and bad ways. The good part is lots of physical and romantic attraction. The bad part… there may be some ego struggles, and tension about disagreements at times. And you may feel the while he can be so tender towards you some ways, there may have been a few other times where you felt he stomped all over your sensitive parts. Yet, despite your differences you feel there are things you can learn form him, and that his strength of will can help guide you forward in life. You likely have immense respect for him, and trust his leadership.

My sun trine his moon (3.24 orb) semisquare his mars (1.26 orb) trines his AC (1.18 orb)

Your charisma and essential self work harmoniously both with his inner vulnerable self and with his habitual outward mode of expression. This softens the blow the squares between you, and helps the relationship to flourish despite the occasional disagreement. You have a big impact on his perspective on life. He feels he can open up emotionally to you knowing that you will accept him, while you feel you can express your self to him wholeheartedly knowing that understands you, and feels strongly for you, even if on an ego level you are not always in tune. There is a Mars/Sun double whammy in this synastry which shows there is some spunk and irritation between you at times, but it comes and goes quickly.

His moon oppose my Jupiter, semisquare my north node, Trine my mars (2.23 orb) my sun (3.24 orb) my moon (4 orb) my Venus (4.43 orb).

I think I pretty much covered this one in the above interps, where the Moon/Jup aspect was discussed. Jupiter uplifts the moons sprits. Your Sun/Mars/Venus aspecting both his sun and the moon (by trine and square) add to the intensity of any romantic attraction there is between you. You rev each others engines, so to speak.

My moon square his Saturn (0.32 orb) biquintile Neptune (exact) square his Chiron (2.46 orb) his vertex (2.06 orb) trine his moon (4 orb) square his Venus (4.18 orb).

As with the Mer/Saturn aspect, the Saturn/Moon aspect hints that he may shut down and retreat from you at times, and yet also wishes to maintain an iron clad grip on you. This aspect has a push-pull type vibe. He may be critical of your emotions and yet insist on being there for you, and not letting go. Your welfare and safety may greatly concern him and he may worry about you a lot. The Moon and Saturn both incline towards worry and tenacity. You may also worry about him, and cling to him also. Sometimes his coolness towards you may upset you, yet you find that most often you can depend on him. The trine to his moon and square to his Venus help warm up the situation a lot. Even in square Venus gives tremendous affection, and moon/moon trine gives innate understanding and exchange of feeling the flows naturally even in the face of his Saturn.

His Venus square my mercury (2 orb) my moon (4 orb) conjunct my Pluto (1.36) Uranus (3.22) and sextile Neptune (2.14)

His Venus conjunct your Pluto/Uranus points to an intense electric kind of attraction, and the sextile from your Neptune adds liking and compassion to your interactions. The Mercury/Venus indicates that he things you say inspire his affection, and that he likes your voice. If he is tired, though, sometimes incessant chatter will irritate him.

My Venus semisquare his mars (0.07 orb) square his sun (1.56 orb) trine his moon (4.43 orb)quintile his Pluto (1.44 orb) trine his AC (2.38) sescisquare Neptune (0.10 orb).

Again, the Venus/Mars-Sun aspects between you do indicate lots of love and affection. As does the Pluto/Venus in a more smoldering kind of way, the quintile goes with the conjunction giving you two a double whammy. The Venus/Asc shows you have a strong appreciation of his looks, as he does for you with your Venus conjunct his 5th house cusp and aspecting his Sun, Moon, and Mar especially. The sesquisquare from Neptune gives a Venus/Neptune double whammy, with a double dose of romantic idealization. This can feel lovely, only remember that the nitty gritty of the relationship is important also and not a bad thing. If you have Virgo on the 5th and he has it on the 7th this will help.

THE END

posted January 13, 2011 11:34 AM            

Your are good!!!!! I have not given you any background information, because somehow I wanted a detached perspective...

I can only tell you that there were certain things that impressed me a lot... you mentioned about him switching off when annoyed or not liking chattering when tired. This is so true to the point that he actually used that term to define his emotions/feelings. You also mentioned about him worry about my wellbeing, while being overcritical and the fact that I know I can rely on him, in spite of the coldness he can show toward my emotions.

it was new for me the interpretation you made about his planets in my 5th transitioning toward 6th as well as his in my 4th transitioning toward 5th. This was something very insightful that I did not know how to integrate, but it is the way i feel it. You also mentioned the fact that my 5th house and his 7th house are both in Virgo. Never thought about it.

In any case, when you mentioned him being of service to me. It is funny, because one thing that have attracted me romantically from him is the fact that daily chores can be done with him without having me to be "in charge", this triggers feelings of romance, because i dont have to worry about this things because he takes responsibilty, so i feel supported and my romantic feelings dont go away.

for me, a partner to be attractive, must be somebody that makes the day to day life easier. otherwise, they kill my romance. and he impressed me with that skill of keeping me romatically attracted. I realize how important is the sign in which 7th and 5th house are. and by the way, what do you think about the rulers of houses in traditional astrology? i just realized few days ago that all my knowledge was based on modern astrology, but few i discovered that in traditional astrology moon would be ruler of 7th rather than venus.

you mentioned me feeling admiration for him. it is true.

you mentioned him liking my voice and not liking chattering when tired. true

you mentioned me hurting his feelings when i feel ignored... and triggering past wounds on him... you hit in the nail and it is exactly like that

you mentioned he feeling emotionally safe with me. I am his safe board. I believe it so and even sometimes that he takes me for granted given that feeling of safety. knowing that I am there for him when he is more vulnerable. and it is amazing. his vulnerability opens my heart in a such a way. you hit it!

I cannot describe my attraction for him as it is all consuming. like there is nothing I am not attracted in a sense of physical and emotion. it is the most comprehensive feelings I have had (because it has all the ingredients I wanted to feel for somebody, the romance, the passion, the love)and yes, I feel he worries about my wellbeing, but like to have the control on me. he feels my emotions are too intense for him to handle. I believe he feels that I am demanding something that he cannot deliver and it makes him withdraw

posted January 13, 2011 12:45 PM            

Things you say may resonate with him profoundly and stick in his mind. Your words have a meaningful impact on his choices (Mer/VX). TRUE

There may be some conflict between your desire for attention and communication and his public reputation or job situation (Mer/MC). I DONT KNOW HOW TO INTERPRET THIS; BUT HE CAN PERCEIVE THAT I WANT MORE ATTENTION THAN HE IS ABLE TO DELIVER

At times, if your feeling ignored, you words may hurt his feelings and unwittingly agitate old wounds (Mer/Chiron). If he is feeling displeased with you for any reason he may choose to withdraw and ignore you, rather than going for a big verbal confrontation (Mer/Sat). This tends to set off a pattern of you becoming critical, and him just ‘switching off’, when he feels there is too much pressure coming from you.ABSOLUTELY TRUE!!!!!!

On a more positive note, some of the things you say make him simile and feel affectionate towards you. VERY TRUE

Sometimes what you say to him comes off as sounding a little odd, but this stimulates his curiosity and can seen as an endearing trait by him (Mer/Ven-Uran). How you talk can also rev up his enthusiasm. I THINK SO

His capacity for showing affection, his generalized self expression, his originality, and his private intensity all resonate strongly with some cherished romantic ideals of yours. You find him exciting as a lover, enjoy being in his presence, and find that he strongly suites your romantic preferences. The connection with the 6th house indicates he may also be of some practical assistance to you, or at least have an impact on your day to day work situation. Also if Virgo is on the 5th house cusp and the Sun is conjunct the 6th (Virgo) house cusp, it also enhances the romantic connection. This is because your notions on love may strongly involve 6th house type things. Things like helping each other, working together on mutual concerns, communication and shearing advice on how to perfect certain matters in life, being of service to each other in some way, and paying attention to the details of each others needs. With the right person these can feel like personal expressions of romantic love for you. EXACLTY LIKE YOU ARE DESCRIBING

7th house cusp at 9 degrees Scorpio. Ruler conjunct his Venus (1. 36 orb), semisextile his mars (0.10 orb) conjunct his Uranus and Pluto (orb within 2), sextile Neptune (0.06)

Your way of relating touches his capacity for compassion and acceptance. Whatever your differences elsewhere, he is able to sympathize with you and understand your relationship needs with sensitivity and kindness. IF HE IS NOT STRESSED OUT; HE CAN SUPER SENSITIVE AND IN TUNE WITH ALL MY NEEDS; EVEN ANTICIPATE THEM

Your standards of devotion, fairness and cooperation are in harmony with his idealism, and you may find him to be caring and gentle in his treatment of you (Pluto/Nep). SEE ABOVE

Your intensity and way of relating inspires his affection, and makes him feel appreciative of you. THIS PART DOESNT RING A BELL. ACTUALLY I HAVE PERCEIVED THE OPPOSITE. MY INTENSITY RUB HIM THE WRONG WAY. HE FINDS ME TOO INTENSIVE AND TOO DEMANDING.

There are strong warm feelings between you (Ven/Pluto). There is something about this relationship which is surprising, refreshing or exhilarating. You wake each other up to things not previously considered, and there is an interesting ‘electric sparkle’ between you. This relationship also brings him in touch with his own inner intensity and propensity for extreme feelings (Pluto/Uran-Pluto). I BELIEVE HE ATTRACT INTENSE RELATIONSHIPS; BUT HE IS AFRAID OF IT AS WELL. HIS NATAL VENUS CONJUNCT NATAL PLUTO IN 7TH MAKES HIM VERY PLUTONIAN BUT HE IS SO AFRAID TO SURRONDER; HE TENDS TO PROJECT IN HIS PARTNER; MEANING THAT IS ME WHO BECOME THE JELOUS AND DEMANDING TYPE:

His Neptune in my seventh.

He may feel this relationship with you brings to life some private facet of his imagination, fantasy world, and that he can openly discuss these things with you.
You may see him in a rather glamorous ethereal light, and have a rather idealistic image of him and the relationship. The two of you may go off into your own little world together. The term ‘dream lover’ pops into my mind with this overlay. One or both of you my see the other as a romantic ideal. TRUE... ALTHOUGH YOU KNOW WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU WAKE UP OF THE DREAM. WHEN WE STARTED OUR RELATIONSHIP; WE BOTH THOUGHT THAT EACH OTHER WAS PERFECT. WELL; OUR COMPOSITE NEPTUNE IS IN 7th.

His manner of self expression wins your affection and makes you smile, and there is something about his vulnerability that turns you on. You may feel as if you want to melt into him. He is cute to you. There is cheerfulness and joy between you during your private moments,TRUE TRUE TRUE

however too much bluntness from you may sometimes hurt his feelings. TRUE. I FEEL HE IS SO HYPERSENSITIVE AND GET DEFFENSIVE EASILY:

Usually though, your enthusiasm can cheer him up and help him to feel more positively about life. TRUE

He may appreciate your directness and optimism. He may also sense that there is an attractive magnetically quality about you that quietly draws him in and makes him want to share of himself with you. There is laughter and fun in the relationship. TRUE

As well as a deeper sense of connectedness that does not need words (Jup/Moon-Asc) OH MY GOD; SO TRUE. I SOMETIMES FEEL HIS FEELINGS EVEN IS NOT PHYSICALLY WITH HIM

There may be some playful teasing between you, and disagreements may be dealt with using humor or sarcasm at times (Jup/Mer). YES, AND SOMETIMES WITH HIS WALL AND SWITCH OFF

He may be impressed with you energy, beauty and whole self expression in general. It’s as if you radiate a special light that captures his attention. He sees you as being very special, and feels you possess many of the personal traits that he prefers in a romantic partner. He likely adores you, sees you as an ideal lover, and harbors strong feelings of love for you. I BELIEVE SO; BUT HIS SATURN ASPECTING MY MOON KEEPS ME INSECURE

This makes him want to impress you and give of himself for you. Even a little appreciation or encouragement from you does a lot to brighten his world. Honest and sincere compliments from you can make his confidence shine, and stroking his ego (within reason) really helps this relationship to run smoothly (Mars-Sun-Ven/Moon). TOTALLY AGREE

All my cancer stellium is in his 4th house (sun 3 degrees, mars 2 degrees, Venus 5 degrees), but Venus makes a conjunction to his 5th house cusp (within 2 degrees orb) and sun (within 4 degrees orb).

With Cancer on the 5th house cusp, the 4th (Cancer) house takes on added significance in romantic relationships for this person. Cancerian-like personality traits and activities tend to ‘turn them on’ and aid in strengthening the fun, playful side of the relationship. It is important for him to feel ‘at home’ with his lover, and to feel as if they are like a soft refuge from the hard cruel world outside. FOR HIM IS VERY IMPORTANT TO FEEL THAT HE CAN BE VULNERABLE AND STILL BE SAFE.

The conjunctions to his 5th of your Venus and Sun indicate that he greatly admires your beauty and charisma. While the fact that your Cancer stellium falls into his 4th house indicates that yes you are for him like a soft place to land, and that he can be ‘real’ with you in private. This is a very important part of the bond for him.I BELIEVE HE FEELS SUPER SAFE WITH ME. AND THIS ALSO MAKES HIS TO TAKE ME FOR GRANTED AS HE KNOWS I AM THERE NO MATTER WHAT. MY MOON CONJUNCT HIS IC BY THE WAY.

Your stellium in his 4th may also make him feel extremely protective of you. HE IS NOT THE TYPICAL PROTECTIVE PERSON, BUT WITH ME IS LIKE HE FEELS THERE IS A DUTY TO CARE FOR ME.

The is a feeling of familiarity about this relationship, almost as if you know each other from some distant time and place that can’t be remembered (Mer/SN).I FEEL AS THOSE STRANGE LONGING THAT YOU CANNOT DESCRIBE; IT RELATES TO MUSIC; TO MAGIC:::I DONT KNOW

As mentioned before, the Jupiter/Mercury aspect indicates playfulness, and directness of speech. Sometimes, you may have silly little disagreements that may have to do with differing ideas on how things should be. Yet over all you respond warmly and positively to each other during discussions. Even if your opinions sometimes irritate him, he sees the relationship on the whole as being uplifting, and leading in a positive direction (Mer/Jup). THIS SIDE IS SUPER GOOD... I WISH THERE WERE ONLY THIS SIDE AND NEVER HAD TO DEAL WITH HIS VENUS OPPOSITE SATURN SQUARE MY MOON

My pluto-uranus is in his 7
His descendant in Virgo. None of my planets fall into his 3rd house.

(Do you mean none of your planets in his 6th house? The 6th house is the Virgo house.)I WAS WRONG. MY JUPITER IS IN HIS SIX (PLACIDUS), BUT IT CONJUNCTS HIS 7TH CUSP (1 degree orb)

He finds your capacity for intensity NOT SURE ABOUT THIS ONE. HE FINDS ME TOO INTENSE, AND FOR HIM IT IS STRESSFUL AND WAY TOO DEMANDING

and originality fascinating, and this relationship allows the two of you to get to the bottom of things together, and explore what‘s below the surface with certain issues. THERE IS THE POTENTIAL FOR THIS, BUT HE IS SO AFRAID OF GOING INTO DEEP WATERS. HE IS SO AFRAID OF CONFLICT THAT HE THINKS THAT ANY DEEP CONVERSATION ABOUT ISSUES WILL END UP IN A BATTLE. ACTUALLY HIS UNWILLINGNESS TO TALK ABOUT ISSUES CAUSE WHAT HE FEARS MORE. EXPLOSIONS OF ANGER FROM MY SIDE GIVEN THAT I DONT FIND A REGULAR OUTLET FOR COMMUNICATING ISSUES

The two of you may share an unusual interest, and feel as if it’s you’re the only ones who ‘get’ each other in this way.DONT KNOW ABOUT THIS ONE

PLANET SYNASTRY

It would take too long for me to get into each individual aspect, so for the planet synastry I’ll just give my general impressions of each configuration.

PLANETARY ASPECTS

His sun square my sun, Venus, mars (tight orbs)oppose my Chiron (0.11 orb)BQ my AC (exact) and trine my MC (0.52 orb)

This is a very passionate relationship. No doubt you both feel intensely for each other… in both good and bad ways. TRUE

The good part is lots of physical and romantic attraction. The bad part… there may be some ego struggles, and tension about disagreements at times. TRUE A LOT

And you may feel the while he can be so tender towards you some ways, there may have been a few other times where you felt he stomped all over your sensitive parts. TRUE

Yet, despite your differences you feel there are things you can learn form him, and that his strength of will can help guide you forward in life. You likely have immense respect for him, and trust his leadership.TRUE

My sun trine his moon (3.24 orb) semisquare his mars (1.26 orb) trines his AC (1.18 orb)

Your charisma and essential self work harmoniously both with his inner vulnerable self and with his habitual outward mode of expression. This softens the blow the squares between you, and helps the relationship to flourish despite the occasional disagreement. You have a big impact on his perspective on life. He feels he can open up emotionally to you knowing that you will accept him, while you feel you can express your self to him wholeheartedly knowing that understands you, and feels strongly for you, even if on an ego level you are not always in tune. There is a Mars/Sun double whammy in this synastry which shows there is some spunk and irritation between you at times, but it comes and goes quickly.SOMETIMES IT STAYS LONGER THAT I WANT, BUT IT ALSO CAN GO FAST UNLESS HE SWITCH OFF AND THEN IT TAKES LONGER

My moon square his Saturn (0.32 orb) biquintile Neptune (exact) square his Chiron (2.46 orb) his vertex (2.06 orb) trine his moon (4 orb) square his Venus (4.18 orb).

As with the Mer/Saturn aspect, the Saturn/Moon aspect hints that he may shut down and retreat from you at times, and yet also wishes to maintain an iron clad grip on you. This aspect has a push-pull type vibe. I COULND AGREE WITH YOU MORE. IT IS SUCH A DIFFICULT ASPECT

He may be critical of your emotions and yet insist on being there for you, and not letting go. TRUE. THE TYPE CANT BE WITH YOU CANT BE WITHOUT

Your welfare and safety may greatly concern him and he may worry about you a lot. The Moon and Saturn both incline towards worry and tenacity. TRUE

You may also worry about him, and cling to him also. MORE THAN I WISH

Sometimes his coolness towards you may upset you,IT MAKES IT HARD

yet you find that most often you can depend on him. TRUE

The trine to his moon and square to his Venus help warm up the situation a lot. Even in square Venus gives tremendous affection, and moon/moon trine gives innate understanding and exchange of feeling the flows naturally even in the face of his Saturn.

His Venus square my mercury (2 orb) my moon (4 orb) conjunct my Pluto (1.36) Uranus (3.22) and sextile Neptune (2.14)

His Venus conjunct your Pluto/Uranus points to an intense electric kind of attraction,SOMETIMES COMES AND GOES

and the sextile from your Neptune adds liking and compassion to your interactions. IT IS VERY ROMANTIC TONE WHEN IN THE RIGHT MOOD AND NOT STRESSED OUT

The Mercury/Venus indicates that he things you say inspire his affection, and that he likes your voice.TRUE

If he is tired, though, sometimes incessant chatter will irritate him. TRUE

My Venus semisquare his mars (0.07 orb) square his sun (1.56 orb) trine his moon (4.43 orb)quintile his Pluto (1.44 orb) trine his AC (2.38) sescisquare Neptune (0.10 orb).

Again, the Venus/Mars-Sun aspects between you do indicate lots of love and affection. As does the Pluto/Venus in a more smoldering kind of way, the quintile goes with the conjunction giving you two a double whammy.

The Venus/Asc shows you have a strong appreciation of his looks, SUPER TRUE

as he does for you with your Venus conjunct his 5th house cusp and aspecting his Sun, Moon, and Mar especially. The sesquisquare from Neptune gives a Venus/Neptune double whammy, with a double dose of romantic idealization. This can feel lovely, only remember that the nitty gritty of the relationship is important also and not a bad thing. If you have Virgo on the 5th and he has it on the 7th this will help.

THE END

There is some more to come. I still haven't examined all the the aspect synastry. Please let me know how the interps fit so far though.[/B][/QUOTE]AGAIN; THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR TIME AND DEDICATION. IT MAKES ME THINK A LOT.

posted October 05, 2011 01:22 AM            

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My response: Lonake, That’s the funny thing about house overlays. It’s like 8 times out of ten it’s the house person who’s attracted, but then there’s always those other 2 cases where the situation is ‘flipped’ and it’s the planet person that falls in love. Just goes to show that although astrology works it’s not always predictable HOW it’s going to work. On a side note, I’d love to know what your planets are doing in his houses also.

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Originally posted by Lotis White:
Some other factors that I have noticed causing attraction, regardless of planet synastry, are hard aspects to the Vertex, especially the conjunction and opposition, and the partner's planets in the house symbolized by the Dsc sign. e.g. if you have an Aqua Dsc look at you 11th house to see if your partner has important planets in your 11th house, or if you have a Taurus Dsc look to see if your partners planets fall in you 2nd house etc. With regard to the nodes, connections to the south node represent the sheared past between you, and connections with the north node show how others help you grow forward.

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He has Pisces DSC, I don't put anything into his 12th.
I have Aqua DSC, he doesn't put anything into my 11th.

I make no hard aspects to his NN.
He makes no hard aspects to my NN.

posted October 05, 2011 08:06 AM            

I`ve been thinking about this.
We`re in the same boat when it comes to the sign of our DESC. My DESC is in Gemini and I hardly meet any Gemini-types, though I´ve met some guys with their MarsI in my 7th house, even conjunct DESC (no clue why it is always Mars. lol)

But I do not feel attracted to them in any kind. I couldn´t care less, there is a mental rapport, but no attraction.

I see two reasons for this:
1. First of all I think that even though the 7th house might signify with whom you might have a good relationship, as in "partnership", it is more an attration of lifepartners, even friends; all it does is it makes you pay attention, notice the other person, probably giving a sweet harmonious balancing Venusian vibe, but I think it does not indicate any physical/ sexual attraction.
if someone fills my 7th house but with no sparkly aspects elsewhere, I probably will probably notice them and become good friends with them, but will not fall in love (in ancient times falling in love was not necessary to have a good marriage / partnership; all that was needed was mutual respect and teamwork, and that is what the 7th house can be about, I guess).

To see if there might be physical sexual or romantic sparks in our modern understanding, I think we have to look elswhere, presumeably to the 5th house, which portrays that feeling of falling love, playing the game of love much more.

If the sexual encounter allows merging and intimacy, the allconsuming passion, we would have to take the 8th house into account. But it may take a real big leap of faith to plunge into THESE depths. That is why I have often found that people with 8th house overlays do not always jump each other on sight, but sometimes feel really uncomfortable. In the very least the other gets under their skin, and often people do not really like that (unless they are Plutonian themselves I guess).

Anywawy that is explanation-attempt No 1 I can offer.

2. For me personally it is interesting that usually I fall in love or am attracted to people who have very similiar placements to mine, and their personal planets often fall into my 1st house; too many Sagittarians.

I should be bored to death, as I have so much Sag energy myself, but I do not seem to be. Maybe the reason for that is that the ruler of my 7th house is in sagittarius in 1st house. The ruler of my 5th house in Capricorn in 1st house. the ruler of my 8th house in Aquarius in 2nd house.

Have you checked where the ruler of your 7th house falls for you?

I did have an Aries-Libra phase though. And I still have a very soft spot for Suns and Moons in these signs (and mercuries. lol).

Not really sure why this is, but it is the signs of my IC and MC. So maybe I felt like they vibrated with my "life-direction".
With the ruler of 12th house ocnjunct my MC I wouldn´t exclude the possibility that it might be some past life issues there either.

Oh btw I also have a soft spot for Pisces; which makes sense not only because I am Neptunian myself, but my DESC is in Gemini (3rd house-association) and Pisces is intercepted in my 3rd house and Aquarius on the cusp.

I basically resonate with the autumn and wintersigns I guess.

Taurus, Gemini, Cancer and Leo do not really exist in this context for me, even though these signs occupy my 5th, 7th and 8thhouse.
I make an exception for a Taurus Moon or Venus now and then.
And for those planets that conjunct my Saturn and Vertex in Cancer, but the other degrees? Nada.

Now, Virgo is an interesting one; I seem to have a preference for that sign (and libra) for friendships (and for the Cancer Moon and ASC, close to my Saturn).
Why is that?
Maybe it is as simple as I am a Sagittarius-ASC and probably vibe with the 9th house, which has intercepted Virgo in my case.

Back to your comparision.
You put a lot of planets in his 5th; this house has such a spark of life, a zest, and as I find is very sensual and relating to falling in love (but I have Taurus on its cusp, so this might colour my view on it).
If his relationship planets / rulers are connected to his 5th house, ,then he might experience it even stronger than other people.

posted October 06, 2011 12:57 AM            

“We`re in the same boat when it comes to the sign of our DESC. My DESC is in Gemini and I hardly meet any Gemini-types, though I´ve met some guys with their MarsI in my 7th house, even conjunct DESC (no clue why it is always Mars. lol)

But I do not feel attracted to them in any kind. I couldn´t care less, there is a mental rapport, but no attraction.

I see two reasons for this:
1. First of all I think that even though the 7th house might signify with whom you might have a good relationship, as in "partnership", it is more an attration of lifepartners, even friends; all it does is it makes you pay attention, notice the other person, probably giving a sweet harmonious balancing Venusian vibe, but I think it does not indicate any physical/ sexual attraction.
if someone fills my 7th house but with no sparkly aspects elsewhere, I probably will probably notice them and become good friends with them, but will not fall in love (in ancient times falling in love was not necessary to have a good marriage / partnership; all that was needed was mutual respect and teamwork, and that is what the 7th house can be about, I guess).”

I think you have a very valid point… to me connections to the 7th house in synastry opens the door to the possibility that a person is someone that you like and want to be with… you enjoy being around their energy period… but when it comes to romantic sparks, I believe the 5th house and it’s ruler in synastry are the culprits for making our hearts go pitter patter… and for making us idealize a person, and causing us to be impressed by them… the 5th house is all about infatuation, and who you’re ‘in love with’.

Speaking for myself personally, the very first thing I check for in love synastry is connections to the 7th house (which is more about what we need then what turns us on). However, the second thing I then check is always what connections there are regarding the 5th house and it’s ruler. To me the 5th is second only to the 7th in terms of causing an attraction to others… it’s that extra something that gets you excited. If there is not some type of connection to the 5th , as well as the 7th in romantic synastry I tend to feel that there is something missing… and that’s from my own experience and not just observation.

Just like you Ceri, I have a Gemini Dsc with Mercury in Sag ruling the 7th house cusp… and in my case Jupiter also falls into the 7th in early Cancer… and I have always known I liked funny, talkative guys that have a great sense of humor, and I just love Sagittarians. But never had I liked a Gemini… in fact in my early 20’s I thought that Geminis sounded were kind of annoying, and that there was little chance that I’d go for one…that is until I met one that also had planets in Aries in my 5th house… it was a crush that went nowhere… but it did teach me a lesson about how astrology actually does work.

I’ve also had some Gemini celeb crushes… like Hugh Laurie from House. He is a Gemini with Moon in Leo, and a Venus/Mars conjunction in Leo… and as it happens, my Aries 5th house cusp is ruled by Mars in Leo… so there is both a 7th house and a 5th house connection. Russell Brand is another one, although in this case he also kind of makes me feel icky as well, there’s sort of an attraction/repulsion thing there. Anyway Brand has a Gemini Sun and some Aries planets as well…

So yeah, although the 7th may fill your heart with affection and make you want to be with someone, alone it’s not enough to set your heart on fire or anything… but a 5th house influence combined with a 7th house influence can be like magic. The third thing I check is the 8th house, and to me it’s the ‘I wanna get inside you, and know everything about you up close and personal’ house. Synastry connections involving this house tend to pull you in and make you want to get in deep with someone. It’s not so much about adoring someone as it is about being fascinated by them… you want to know how they tick. I tend not to place as much emphasis on the 8th as I do on the 5th as it does not seem to be as essential for romantic attration to occur as the 5th is. Without some type of connection to the 5th falling in love just doesn’t seem to happen.

The 8th however, is a very bonding energy and can also be about the kind of connection you have with someone that goes beyond friendship and romance, where you know them completely and just love them as a person. Something as simple as having someone’s personal planets in soft aspect to your 8th house ruler works well for this. This usually makes you feel very safe and comfortable with someone. The 7th house is the official relationship where two people meet fact to face, while the 8th is where they merge and intermingle.

So I guess in terms of priority for me the 7th house comes first, because without it you probably wouldn’t want to partner with someone in the to begin with… And the 5th house comes second… because and liking each other and friendship is great, but you want to be ‘in love’ too right?…Then third comes the 8th house… because feeling connected on a intimate level, and being able to be share personal things with each other in a relationship… is just nice.

Ideally, I’d like to see synastry connections with all three houses one way or another.

Lonake, if this man in question is all about your 7th house but doesn’t really connect with your 5th, this may be a reason for why you were good friends but he didn’t ‘do it’ for you. I suspect the stellium you have in his 5th house is why he may have fallen for you, especially when combined with the fact that your Sun is in the same sign as the cusp of his Dsc…

posted October 06, 2011 06:19 AM            

"and to me connections to the 7th house in synastry opens the door to the possibility that a person is someone that you like and want to be with… you enjoy being around their energy period…"
Exactly. It is like they seem like really good "partner-material"; something just "fits" on a personal level.

" but when it comes to romantic sparks, I believe the 5th house and it’s ruler in synastry are the culprits for making our hearts go pitter patter…"
I love that expression "pitter patter", and I think it is very apt. Yes, I DO think that the 5th house interaction is necessary for falling in love (just not through planets falling in that house alone; but I honestly have never seen an unaspected 5th house ruler, if someone was madly in love).

" the 5th house is all about infatuation, and who you’re ‘in love with’."
I agree. And I want to add, that to me it is as if if that house is triggered there is somehow a "spark of life energy", these people can make you (generic: you) feel really alive.
At least I experience it that way.
And in this regard it makes sense that it also represents creativity and children; it somehow revolves around that "spark of creational energy".

"Speaking for myself personally, the very first thing I check for in love synastry is connections to the 7th house (which is more about what we need then what turns us on). However, the second thing I then check is always what connections there are regarding the 5th house and it’s ruler."
I do it the same way.
Often I have found that one person responds more on a 5th house level and the other on the 7th house level. In almost all cases the 7th house person was the one hoping for a longterm commitment, while for the 5th house person the emphasis was much on being in love, flirting etc.

If both houses are triggered, all is well. if not, sometimes or even often there will be an unrequited (or disbalanced) love scenario evident.

I find that fascinating also in terms of my own chart.
With DESC-ruler in Sagittarius conjunct Sun, but 5th house ruler in Capricorn square Pluto, it is very obvious, that often people I need and enjoy being around (the Jupiter-Sun-Mercury-types), will NOT get my heart into "pitter-patter-mode".
On the other hand with people I feel magnetically attracted to (the Saturn-pluto-Venus-type), so the more serious darkish sensual people, are not necessarily the ones I really would view as "partner potential".

This natal contras alone makes me prone to unrequited crushes I guess. And it surely explains, why my 7th house folks do not speak to me romantically. They do not have what makes my heart go weak. That`s just it.

My 8th house has some similiarities with my 5th house, with its ruler in 2nd (taurus) house and Saturn itself placed in the 8th house.
I wonder though if the fact that the ruler of my 8th house is in Aquarius reflects a bit of that mental needs of my 7th house.
Well, I like to think that the 8th house is what really combines these two different needs in me.

"and I have always known I liked funny, talkative guys that have a great sense of humor, and I just love Sagittarians."
that`s something I noticed as well, that planets placed in the natal house seem to embody the sought traits more strongly than the sign on the cusp.
In my case it is in relation to the 8th house with Cancer on the cusp and Saturn placed in 8th house.
Though I am never sure if my preference for Saturn might result from Saturn being in 8th house AND simultaneously ruler of 5th house being in Capricorn.
(as a matter of fact I think I go for the combination of Saturn-Pluto).

At the same time I have a real liking for Sagittarians as well. And interestingly some of them seem to have a liking to me.
I didn´t have too many "followers", but I remember two guys having an (unrequited) crush on me back in school, and both were Sagittarians. I do not exactly know why, but these two even developed some stalkerish qualities; I seemed to not be able to deflect them (I did not want to be hurtful or rude, too). In one case it was a Gemini-friend who stepped in. In the other case I HAD to become rather rude (verbally), because it threatened to get of hand sadly.

" But never had I liked a Gemini… in fact in my early 20’s I thought that Geminis sounded were kind of annoying, "
Yes, I was the same. Though my best friend (male) in school was a Gemini; there was some flirting going on, but it was all very playful.

"d planets in Aries in my 5th house… it was a crush that went nowhere… but it did teach me a lesson about how astrology actually does work. "
yes, I love(d) Aries! It is not in my 5th, but 4th house, but I used to be able to pick the one guy who would burn me like the candle does the moth,a nd it would be an Aries. Almost always. (or a Libra. lol)

"I’ve also had some Gemini celeb crushes… like Hugh Laurie from House. He is a Gemini with Moon in Leo, and a Venus/Mars conjunction in Leo…"
Hmm, he does not do anything to me. though I find him intriguing in a detached way. Same for Johnny Depp, I really really like him a lot, I find him funny and enjoy watching him. But never did I have a crush on him.
not even close. jsut felt this could be someone I would like to talk to.
I think he is a Gemini with Leo ASC.

Robert Downey jr is in the same category; find him quirky and interesting and entertaining and really LOVE seein him in movies,b ut I would never have any kind of crush on him, not even with all his Aries-planets. lol
Though I think RDJ might be a borderline case.

Oh I forgot I think he puts his Moon into my 5th house in Taurus, and he has a Leo ASC as well. Which of course means that I put all my Sag stellium into HIS 5th house and my Moon into his 7th house.
so I guess the question would be who would be crushing on whom.

"there’s sort of an attraction/repulsion thing there. Anyway Brand has a Gemini Sun and some Aries planets as well… "
I do not know him. But do you know where the repulsion-part comes from?

"side you, and know everything about you up close and personal’ house. Synastry connections involving this house tend to pull you in and make you want to get in deep with someone."
Yep, completely agree.

"And the 5th house comes second… because and liking each other and friendship is great, but you want to be ‘in love’ too right?…"
yes, and I think that is why the 5th had become so focal in our modern days. Because there is this romantic notion attached to relationships, that they should be based on love and start with being "in" love.
It just was not that important in earlier centuries.
But we want it all. Well, I do at least.

"Ideally, I’d like to see synastry connections with all three houses one way or another."
Yes, me, too.
do you think it have to be conjunctions?

posted October 07, 2011 03:13 PM            

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Originally posted by Lotis White:
Ceri said…

“We`re in the same boat when it comes to the sign of our DESC. My DESC is in Gemini and I hardly meet any Gemini-types, though I´ve met some guys with their MarsI in my 7th house, even conjunct DESC (no clue why it is always Mars. lol)

But I do not feel attracted to them in any kind. I couldn´t care less, there is a mental rapport, but no attraction.

I see two reasons for this:
1. First of all I think that even though the 7th house might signify with whom you might have a good relationship, as in "partnership", it is more an attration of lifepartners, even friends; all it does is it makes you pay attention, notice the other person, probably giving a sweet harmonious balancing Venusian vibe, but I think it does not indicate any physical/ sexual attraction.
if someone fills my 7th house but with no sparkly aspects elsewhere, I probably will probably notice them and become good friends with them, but will not fall in love (in ancient times falling in love was not necessary to have a good marriage / partnership; all that was needed was mutual respect and teamwork, and that is what the 7th house can be about, I guess).”

I think you have a very valid point… to me connections to the 7th house in synastry opens the door to the possibility that a person is someone that you like and want to be with… you enjoy being around their energy period… but when it comes to romantic sparks, I believe the 5th house and it’s ruler in synastry are the culprits for making our hearts go pitter patter… and for making us idealize a person, and causing us to be impressed by them… the 5th house is all about infatuation, and who you’re ‘in love with’.

Speaking for myself personally, the very first thing I check for in love synastry is connections to the 7th house (which is more about what we need then what turns us on). However, the second thing I then check is always what connections there are regarding the 5th house and it’s ruler. To me the 5th is second only to the 7th in terms of causing an attraction to others… it’s that extra something that gets you excited. If there is not some type of connection to the 5th , as well as the 7th in romantic synastry I tend to feel that there is something missing… and that’s from my own experience and not just observation.

Just like you Ceri, I have a Gemini Dsc with Mercury in Sag ruling the 7th house cusp… and in my case Jupiter also falls into the 7th in early Cancer… and I have always known I liked funny, talkative guys that have a great sense of humor, and I just love Sagittarians. But never had I liked a Gemini… in fact in my early 20’s I thought that Geminis sounded were kind of annoying, and that there was little chance that I’d go for one…that is until I met one that also had planets in Aries in my 5th house… it was a crush that went nowhere… but it did teach me a lesson about how astrology actually does work.

I’ve also had some Gemini celeb crushes… like Hugh Laurie from House. He is a Gemini with Moon in Leo, and a Venus/Mars conjunction in Leo… and as it happens, my Aries 5th house cusp is ruled by Mars in Leo… so there is both a 7th house and a 5th house connection. Russell Brand is another one, although in this case he also kind of makes me feel icky as well, there’s sort of an attraction/repulsion thing there. Anyway Brand has a Gemini Sun and some Aries planets as well…

So yeah, although the 7th may fill your heart with affection and make you want to be with someone, alone it’s not enough to set your heart on fire or anything… but a 5th house influence combined with a 7th house influence can be like magic. The third thing I check is the 8th house, and to me it’s the ‘I wanna get inside you, and know everything about you up close and personal’ house. Synastry connections involving this house tend to pull you in and make you want to get in deep with someone. It’s not so much about adoring someone as it is about being fascinated by them… you want to know how they tick. I tend not to place as much emphasis on the 8th as I do on the 5th as it does not seem to be as essential for romantic attration to occur as the 5th is. Without some type of connection to the 5th falling in love just doesn’t seem to happen.

The 8th however, is a very bonding energy and can also be about the kind of connection you have with someone that goes beyond friendship and romance, where you know them completely and just love them as a person. Something as simple as having someone’s personal planets in soft aspect to your 8th house ruler works well for this. This usually makes you feel very safe and comfortable with someone. The 7th house is the official relationship where two people meet fact to face, while the 8th is where they merge and intermingle.

So I guess in terms of priority for me the 7th house comes first, because without it you probably wouldn’t want to partner with someone in the to begin with… And the 5th house comes second… because and liking each other and friendship is great, but you want to be ‘in love’ too right?…Then third comes the 8th house… because feeling connected on a intimate level, and being able to be share personal things with each other in a relationship… is just nice.

Ideally, I’d like to see synastry connections with all three houses one way or another.

Lonake, if this man in question is all about your 7th house but doesn’t really connect with your 5th, this may be a reason for why you were good friends but he didn’t ‘do it’ for you. I suspect the stellium you have in his 5th house is why he may have fallen for you, especially when combined with the fact that your Sun is in the same sign as the cusp of his Dsc…

if a planet is in the same sign as the Dsc, it can still work as an attractive force in another’s chart even if it doesn’t actually fall into the 7th house (although it does enhance it to also have it in the 7th house)… I’ve also noticed that if a planet falls into the 7th house but is in the same sign as the 8th house cusp that there is sort of a combination energy there… there is still the 7th house likeing, affection thing… but it seems to be mixed with a little 8th house fascination as well…

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