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JohnFKennedy
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posted January 07, 2011 04:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for JohnFKennedy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So, I've done an event chart on this situation and was fortunate enough to get the answer I wanted ("yes, we should be friends again"). However, I don't know how much of a blessing that is considering I've been obsessing over the situation ever since it came out in the affirmative, lol. I really need to be focusing on other things right now, not to mention my own nervousness about talking to this person eventually is just.. getting to me. I decided to let the situation alone if needed be, so for my horary chart this time around I asked "Should I contact them within this month?"

I would love to have your objective opinions on this chart if any of you happen to have the time. We were romantically involved at one point, but I adore this person so much as a friend that I want to start from there, so this would inherently be an 11th house question.. we haven't talked in nearly 2 years if that counts.


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VenusDiSirius
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posted January 07, 2011 06:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for VenusDiSirius     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ooooh, I am having a deja vu
So,in that spirit,i say :Yes,u should
But u r still having seconds thoughts... Which resulted in horary
In the meantime,i learned that one should use regiomontanus chart in horary. And there is also that lovely little box to be marked on astro.com so we don't have to look at ura,nep,plu,since we don't need them
If it's of any help, i also had really long periods of not seeing someone... I picked up on right where we left thing last time we met. A neptune's gift...

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JohnFKennedy
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posted January 07, 2011 07:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for JohnFKennedy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Whoa, how crazy you said that you got deja vu as you looked at this post, because as soon as I was done reading your response I was beginning to feel light headed! Maybe it's the green tea I'm drinking? lol, interesting coincidence nonetheless

Thank you for reminding me about Regimontanus.. I always tend to forget about that chart style whenever horary is concerned

That's really awesome about being able to continue a relationship right from the beginning all over again. I feel like me and this person are pretty good at that, but sometimes it can be a curse because you forget why you stopped talking in the first place and then the same mistakes happen all over again.. but I'm determined not to let it happen this time!

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VenusDiSirius
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posted January 07, 2011 07:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for VenusDiSirius     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
One who loves,forgets&forgive
But,be careful... Subtle but decisive move to reconscile. From ur part,u carry sentiment of frienship. And jupiter looks promising that saturn sq to mars,sun... That's why i said be subtle,no pressure,light as feather.. If he appers not willing,moody,reserved,don't feel docouraged. That's important. Silent resiliance.
Green tea,great stuff

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JohnFKennedy
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posted January 07, 2011 08:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for JohnFKennedy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That's excellent advice. It was my desicion to stop us from talking in the first place two years ago.. so coming back would definitely require a lot of sensitivity on my part.. thank you so much! I feel really motivated to do this now, lol. It's so easy/lazy to put off important emotional things, sometimes.

Green tea is aaaamazing, I have a can of Arizona green tea right now and I feel like it's putting me in an even more zen mood for all this!

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VenusDiSirius
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posted January 07, 2011 08:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for VenusDiSirius     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

And if u regularly drink green tea(a cup,without sugar)u will notice,after couple of months,great improvements with ur metabolism,especially skin

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hmm
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posted January 07, 2011 08:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hmm     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
YESSS!!! WE DEF DON'T GET ENOUGH HORARY ACTION HERE.
i'm totally new, but i'd like to take a practice shot at your chart.
_you're venus in sag in 7th house= you're thoughts are at least somewhat relationshipo based and are grand in nature, you're optimistic(?)
_you're in his 1st house= idk (you're important to his identity??)

_he's saturn in libra (strong there) but in 6th house generally a weak house= again don't know
_he's in your 12 house, which would explain why you feel attatched to him at somewhat of a spiritial level??

there's some connection btwn venus and saturn.

you're moon is in saturn (worry) in 11th house (about friendships)
there's a positive apect btwn your moon and his signifier there which makes me think that he knows you'd like to be friends and doesn't want to hurt you.

his co-signifier is in cap(worry) in 9th house (would there happen to be any distance btwn you guys)
IDK i suck at this!!

overall, i'd say there'll be a weak connection. you guys won't be supper tight, but you'll maintain some contact with each other
(i don't know the relationship btwn venus and staurn though, i'd base my final answer on that)

I'M LEARNING RIGHT NOW, SO IF ANYONE CAN HELP ME OUT, I'D REALLY APRRECIATE IT
can't wait to see what others wrote....lol

LET'S DO MORE HORARYS HERE!!!!

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hmm
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posted January 07, 2011 08:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hmm     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
what would you guys add/take away from my reasoning!!!!

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posted January 07, 2011 08:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hmm     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
WAIT!!!!
moon is voc...the chart is unreadable (I THINK)!!!

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posted January 07, 2011 09:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hmm     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
OOOPS you were asking if you should contact him

that's a 3ed house question

no!

you guys are both worried about your frienship, you're also thinkng about him in romance sort of way.
he wants to be friends, but would not like any pressure to take it beyond a purely platonic level, so i say don't call him.
he's also in your 5th house, which again indicates that you're attracted to him as more than friends.
don't ask too much of him. you say freinds, but i get the feeling like deep down you're interested or hoping for a little more, something that he's picking up on and has him worried.


but again the moon is VOC ....so this chart is no good and i suck at this so....yeah

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posted January 07, 2011 09:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hmm     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
post another one later on!!!

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JohnFKennedy
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posted January 07, 2011 09:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for JohnFKennedy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, I think every chart has the potential to be read, traditionalist methods aside. If you create a horary chart for the moment you conceive a question, there's no way a chart can technically be invalid because astrology never stops working just because of certain afflictions. I've seen a lot of modern astrologers say this in regards to horary charts, so I'm definitely not an expert in this context.. but I find myself subscribing to that belief.

Anyway I think you did really well for being a beginner at this!

"_you're venus in sag in 7th house= you're thoughts are at least somewhat relationshipo based and are grand in nature, you're optimistic(?)
_you're in his 1st house= idk (you're important to his identity??)"
Yes and yes to both of that! Although I won't be so narcissistic as to put words in his mouth, but his friends have commented on the second part in private to me.

I don't see Saturn in the 6th as beingsuch a terrible thing as is normally associated with it, as he's exalted in Libra and the 6th house is one of putting in work. Definitely workaholic tendencies and stress there.. sometimes fruitless. But I'd like to see the trine to the Moon as being a good thing. He's willing to cooperate with me, but he's currently not in a good place (square Sun) and will have to improve upon himself first? That's the impression I get..

"his co-signifier is in cap(worry) in 9th house (would there happen to be any distance btwn you guys)"
There is currently distance! He goes to school 4 hours away from me right now. He's there right now, of course, as winter break is over.

I'm going to say that the moon in Aquarius represents an objective, humanitarian role on my part. Which is true! It being in the 11th house shows a lot of friendship, however detached on a surface level. That is my natal moon sign so it's fitting.

I think I'm being way too optimistic, lol

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posted January 07, 2011 09:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hmm     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
regarding the moon being voc.
i think you could interpret that as the situation has not yet solidified.
all this can/and will change soon,
so if you get the feeling like the time is right
it wouldn't be wrong of you to ask again

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posted January 07, 2011 10:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hmm     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
hey, just wondering
it's not related to your chart

but say my signifier is mercury
and it's a 7th house issue
and my mercury is in his 7th house...does that mean anything

or is it like i'm mercury and he's jupiter then i'm found in the house that's ruled by either pisces or sag?? and then that means something

or do both mean something??

lol

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JohnFKennedy
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posted January 07, 2011 10:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for JohnFKennedy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
oh man it's like the blind leading the blind, lol. Well he would be represented by both the sun and venus. For my chart, he couldn't be venus as my ascendant was in Taurus.

So you being in the seventh house would probably show that you're preoccupied with the thought of romance, you embody that loving girlfriend (assuming you're a female) quality? Then you being the moon would show where your true emotions are at?

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posted January 07, 2011 10:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for VenusDiSirius     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Look at the moon. It is telling u everything.
7th H venus... Well,that's everyday situation.

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posted January 07, 2011 11:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hmm     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
his moon is 5th house leo(sun/masculinity)
that's a good sign
i think he's stressing now cuz he's trying to figure out what he wants. he's being pulled in two different directions, which could explain the moon of voc.

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posted January 07, 2011 11:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for VenusDiSirius     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by hmm:
his moon is 5th house leo(sun/masculinity)
that's a good sign
i think he's stressing now cuz he's trying to figure out what he wants. he's being pulled in two different directions, which could explain the moon of voc.

I catch ur logics,but if his moon is in 5th H,then cancer is the sign.
He seems to me,and based on this horary,like a player(generally personality).

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posted January 08, 2011 06:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hmm     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
hey kennedy,
would you be comfortable sharing your email (you can delete it right away).
i'd love having someone to practice with
i know it's like the blind leading the blind
but no one is going to tolerate us newbies as much as we need them to.

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posted January 08, 2011 07:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for littlecloud     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm not going to answer the horary question as I don't know how to read the chart.

But for some reason I keep getting vibes from your chart postings. Let me know if I'm right about anything...
You feel like this is a karmic relationship, he's supposed to be in your life in some way. There's this strange attachment/detachment element. Like you feel close even when you're far apart.
Did you guys meet at work? Or something work related?
He's older than you? Or acts older than you? Something about age being an issue..I don't know...
Overall I get the feeling like this is a very supportive relationship. You guys need to take it slow and get to know each other again. Like kids at a playground.

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JohnFKennedy
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posted January 08, 2011 07:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for JohnFKennedy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hmm - For sure! I definitely want to be more adept at horary so practicing would be awesome, my email is twentiethcenturies@gmail.com

littlecloud - I definitely do feel like it's karmic in spite of myself. Every time I managed to will him from my mind, a huge series of circumstances will happen every time I'm successfully dating someone else and pretty happy. Just.. the weirdest coincidences. I'm not a terribly romantic person (Eris/Venus in Aries in the 7th plus an Aquarius moon in the 5th square Pluto), but this is the one person who I could ever actually see myself in a serious relationship with. Not to mention we were very great friends once upon a time.

I met him in high school, always saw him around, always heard his name all those years but never thought a thing about him until we had a class in 11th grade together. I was so impressed with his mind. It wasn't until the year ended where I found out he also admired me, then we got to talking and the rest was history.

He's a year older than me (he was born later in the year which is how he ended up in my grade). It's weird. I feel like he can be SO MUCH more mature than me in some ways, but in others I do feel like I'm more motherly to him, and I have a greater understanding of human nature than he does. There are a lot of role reversals that went on in that relationship. I really didn't mind though and it was the only time I've ever been allowed to be "myself" around a man, which was awesome.

I do feel like we're close even when we're far apart. We can go months (years) without speaking, and when we start talking again its like there was never a gap in time at all. Really pretty magical. Thank you for your input

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posted January 08, 2011 07:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for littlecloud     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ok I dig, I got some of it right.

Overall I feel like you guys are in a slow-cooker right now. You just got to let sit on the fire for a couple of hours and let it simmer, and afterward you'll have a delicious meal to enjoy.

Now I'm hungry...

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