posted January 08, 2011 12:23 PM            

I have it in my lunar return today.

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posted January 08, 2011 01:34 PM            

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Originally posted by vertiver:
Hey, me too! How long has Eris been rx?

When Jupiter and Uranus are in Aries they will eventually conjunct Eris, wonder what that will entail?

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Eris went retrograde on July 19, 2010 in 22'15 Aries

hmmmmm

It could be some big time controversy around that time
I wonder if it could involve matters with belief systems

Jupiter conjunct Eris would emphasize the belief system issues

Uranus conjunct Eris would emphasize the controversy

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posted January 08, 2011 01:38 PM            

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Originally posted by vertiver:
I find that the more I look to my lunar returns, I'm starting to understand how lunar energies work. Do you have really vivid dreams during your lunar return?

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not all the time

things can get hazy for me with my Moon in 3'11 Pisces square Neptune in 1'48 Sagittarius

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posted January 08, 2011 02:07 PM            

also my Moon squares Saturn in 5'08 Gemini R and Neptune in 1'48 Sagittarius

My Moon is oppose Saturn/Neptune midpoint in 3'28 Virgo with 17 minutes of arc

so actually a triple Neptune influence

Fomalhaut is in 3'28 Pisces in my chart too, and so Saturn/Neptune midpoint is exactly opposite that

Fomalhaut is the alpha star of Piscis Austrinus (Southern Fish), and Reinhold Ebertin said that it had a Mercury-Venus-Neptune combination influence

I think the themes of Fomalhaut and Saturn/Neptune midpoint involving my Moon in my chart are strongly connected

the balance,conflict,combination,integration between the material,physical,practical and the spiritual,metaphysical,idealistic

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posted January 08, 2011 02:11 PM            

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Originally posted by Glaucus:

my Pisces Moon square Neptune would be dual influences too

also my Moon squares Saturn in 5'08 Gemini R and Neptune in 1'48 Sagittarius

My Moon is oppose Saturn/Neptune midpoint in 3'28 Virgo with 17 minutes of arc

so actually a triple Neptune influence

Fomalhaut is in 3'28 Pisces in my chart too, and so Saturn/Neptune midpoint is exactly opposite that

I think the themes of Fomalhaut and Saturn/Neptune midpoint involving my Moon in my chart are strongly connected

the balance,conflict,combination,integration between the material,physical,practical and the spiritual,metaphysical,idealistic

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Well that makes sense, and seems like your using your Neptunian influences constructively through astrology. Do you have more info on Fomalhaut? Its in the Aquarius constellation, right?

posted January 08, 2011 02:20 PM            

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Originally posted by vertiver:
Hazy, yes! That might just be the drawback of being a Lunar Piscean in general. Natal Pisces Moon is trine Neptune instead of sqaure, so I can relate to dual Neptunian influences. But my natal Moon is exactly one degree off from yours, its at 4'11 Pisces.

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How can you have a Moon trine Neptune if your Moon is in 4'11 Pisces

the only way that could happen is if your Neptune is in Scorpio or in Cancer

You're younger than I am, and I was born with Neptune in Sagittarius

Do you mean Moon sextile Neptune?

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posted January 08, 2011 02:55 PM            

Fomalhaut is in Piscis Austrinus (Southern Fish) constellation. It's the alpha star of that constellation. So it's Alpha Piscis Austrinus.

here is some info on Fomalhaut:

Fomalhaut
A Royal Star.
Archangel Gabriel, the Watcher of the South. Congenital birth defects, magic, fame, occult, faith, "Star of Alchemy", addiction, undesirable associates
3° Pisces 52
Fortunate
Venus/ Mercury/ Neptune
http://www.astrologycom.com/fixedstars.html

According to Ptolemy, it is of the nature of Venus and Mercury; and, to Alvidas, of Jupiter in square to Saturn from Pisces and Sagittarius. It is said to be very fortunate and powerful and yet to cause malevolence of sublime scope and character, and change from a material to a spiritual form of expression. Cardan stated that together with the stars rising with 12 Gemini it gives an immortal name. [Robson*, p.165-166.]

It has a Mercury-Venus character with a blending of Neptune influence. According to tradition, this star is of quite variable effect, either very good or very bad, depending on the overall cosmic structure. It is assumed, however, that the helpful influence is the greater one and if in conjunction with Mercury, it is said to stimulate mental capabilities and promise success as a writer or scientist. On the Ascendant and in good aspect, tradition has it that this star will make for 'fame' and a name 'remembered forever'. In conjunction with Venus, there will be advantages in artistic pursuits. A conjunction with Jupiter or on the MC will bring favor from dignitaries of the church. Tied up with either Sun or Moon, the influence of Fomalhaut is said to be quite marked. [Fixed Stars and Their Interpretation, Elsbeth Ebertin, 1928, p.78.]
http://www.constellationsofwords.com/stars/Fomalhaut.html

According to Bernadette Brady: Fomalhaut is success through noble ideals.

The Principle of Fomalhaut, the Watcher of the South, idealism or charisma

This is one of the Royal Stars of Persia and as such represents a path which contains a nemesis, a way that the individual can fall from grace. This nemesis is hubris, thus the individual must steer clear of the seduction of charisma, in themselves and others. Fomalhaut contains a touch of the mystic, the sense of magic, and is based on high ideals or lofty visions. It can bestow charisma on an individual as they seek to express the divine in art or poetry, for this star is also the bitter-sweet madness of the poetic mind challenged to remain in the physical world. This is the child stolen by the fairies who must reject the sweet non-life and fight to return to the mortal world of death and pain.

Yeah......well I think that I use the energy for not just Astrology but also spirituality,metaphysical in general, and Neurodiversity Advocacy in regards to idealism
belief in unity and universal love too
I have written poetry too.
I am a member of an interfaith unity church with my beliefs in "to each,his/her own" in regards to religious,spiritual beliefs.

I think my starting and running a neurodiversity nonprofit organization would fit with the challenges,high ideals,and fame of Fomalhaut.

for instance, I could hurt the neurodiversity cause if I get too controversial that I totally get biomed community angry and they become an enemy. I don't want to be anti-psychiatry either nor get involved in conspiracy theories.

in other words, I cannot be a zealot. I have to consider others views. That's why I consider the views of both neurodiversity community and biomed community and want DNA to be a bridge between those 2.

I also feel that in order for DNA to be successful, It has to operate with what I call the 4 Spiritual Core values which I try hard to practice.

Love,Light,Peace,and Equality

I also believe that being humble,honest,trustworthy is also important for running a neurodiversity non profit organization which involves other's money like grants and donations.

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posted January 08, 2011 04:01 PM            

quote:

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Originally posted by JohnFKennedy:
And an American congresswoman was shot and killed today, along with 6 or 9 others. God, I wonder what correlation that might have considering Eris is associated with strife, and the like?

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Yeah....that's crazy!!!

Damn...makes me wonder if DNA gets big and I am talking about things that **** people off , and some crazy biomed tries to take me out. Neurodiversity advocates like Ari Ne'eman and Amanda Baggs have received death threats before.

I have Sun conjunct South Eris Node in Scorpio with a 10 minute orb. My Sun is also conjunct transneptunian dwarf planet/plutino Ixion (karmic wheel,2nd chances) with 5 minutes of arc. I have Sun conjunct true Black Moon Lilith (shadow lunar qualities as well as feminism,equality)So I have a Sun-true Black Moon Lilith-Ixion-South Eris Node conjunction in Scorpio. That's a strong collective Eris connection. I have a retrograde Chiron-Eris conjunction in Aries in 8th.
my death could be very karmic and connected to discord and controversy while advocating for equal rights issues.

This is what Philip Sedgwick wrote

for preliminary mundane keywords for Eris

Mundane: promises and vows (both kept and broken), elections and election fraud, intervention by higher powers (troubleshooters, authorities, deity or God), using chaos and disruption as a method of reorganization - i.e., dumping a closet onto the floor, then reorganizing, things that overturn, the scales of justice, battles, disputes, famine, fightings, lawlessness (attributed to her moon, Dysnomia), lies, manslayings, murders, oath, oblivion, quarrels - and the last word therein, sorrows and toil, contention, rivalry, loved the spilling of blood on the battlefield, the fifth day of the month, gluttony, gloating, the nurse of war, women wearing men’s uniforms (sports players, women in the military, astronauts)
http://philipsedgwick.com/

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posted January 08, 2011 04:23 PM            

Source: http://judgepedia.org/index.php/John_Roll

"Immigration suit threats

Judge Roll in 2009, faced death threats after presiding over a $32 million civil-rights lawsuit. The lawsuit was filed by illegal immigrants against an Arizona rancher. After Judge Roll ruled the case would be certified, threats came from talk-radio shows which fueled controversy and spurred audiences into making threats against the judge[2].

The threats materialized after one show, Judge Roll's name logged more than 200 phone calls as some callers threatened the judge and his family[2].

This resulted in the judge and his wife were under a protection detail for one month as Judge Roll was given twenty four hours a day, seven days a week security by the US Marshals Service. An US Attorney's investigation ruled that four men were identified as threat makers, but no charges were filed[2].

In a July 9, 2009 interview with the Arizona Republic, Judge Roll described the time under high security as "unnerving and invasive. . . . By its nature it has to be," Roll said. Roll also said, "It (the security) was handled very professionally by the Marshals Service."[2]

At the end of the month, Roll said four key men had been identified as threat makers[2].
"

Judge Roll, to paraphrase the source material, was a George H. W. Bush appointee.

posted January 08, 2011 04:57 PM            

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Originally posted by Glaucus:

Do you mean Moon sextile Neptune?

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posted January 08, 2011 05:56 PM            

quote:

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Originally posted by Still_Hopeful:
Eris? another asteroid?
What Eris represent?

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posted January 08, 2011 06:36 PM            

not even close

asteroids are objects that orbit in the inner regions of the solar system

their orbital periods are a maximum of about 4 years

Eris is a transneptunian (orbits beyond Neptune) object. It's technically a scattered disk objects. It's classified as a dwarf planet along with Pluto,Makemake,Haumea,and Ceres.

It was discovered on Jan 5, 2005. It was announced about June 2005.

Dr. Michael Brown nicknamed it Xena.

Its discovery led to bigtime controversy among the astronomical community because it was thought to be as larger than Pluto.
A year afterwards, new planetary criteria was created which led to new classifications that include dwarf planet and Plutoid (transneptunians that are dwarf planets).
Pluto was demoted to dwarf planet and Ceres was promoted to dwarf planet, making them astronomical equals for the first time. Ceres was classed as a planet for over 40 years before it was classed as an asteroid.
Eris was named after the reclassification.
Then afterwards, Makemake and Haumea were classed as dwarf planets and Plutoids like Pluto and Eris.

Eris has an orbit of nearly 560 years.

Dr. Michael Brown named it after the Greek Goddess of Discord because of the great debate and controversy Eris' discovery caused.

He had originally proposed another name but it was rejected because it was not a name from Greek/Roman mythology.

He even believed that Persephone or Proserpina would have been a suitable name for the object because of its orbit.
For half of its orbital period, Eris orbits near Pluto, and it orbits far from Pluto for the other half of its orbital period.

Recently, Eris has been found to actually be a little smaller than Pluto but it is thought to actually have more mass. Eris is thought to have a lot more rock than Pluto. Transneptunian objects are mixture of rock and ice. If there was a collision between Eris and Pluto, Eris would get the better of Pluto.

speaking of collisions, Haumea's 4 hour rotation period ,egg shaped appearance,and pieces of it broken off from its body is thought to have happened because of another large transneptunian object collided with it.

but any ways....Eris is not an asteroid. It's a transneptunian object, scattered disk object, dwarf planet, and Plutoid that is very distant from the Sun and has a long orbital period and highly eccentric orbit.

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posted January 08, 2011 06:44 PM            

Based on reading Zane Stein's article and his keywords as well as Roy
MacKinnon's keywords and the charts that I have looked at, I believe
that Eris has to do with stirring stuff up, controversy, ideology,
civil/equal rights matters, standing up for self/others, advocacy,
bigotry, racism, minorities, race relations, diversity, .....all those
things are connected to each other too.

I don't believe that Eris is just about discord and controversy. I
think that there is more to it. That's like saying Pluto is just about
the underworld because Pluto/Hades is the God of the underworld. Juan
Revilla made good points that we can't just rely on the name of the
object for its astrological meaning. Uranus personality traits fit
more with Prometheus than the god, Uranus even though Uranus/Ouranos
was the sky god. Neptune personality traits fit more with Dionysus/
Bacchus even though Neptune was the sea god. I looked at some asteroid
stuff in regards to that. Juan Revilla said that it's important to
consider the orbital symbolism of the objects. Philip Sedgwick takes
into account the nodes and perihelion/aphelion of the object.

Astronomical-oriented astrologers including Philip Sedgwick, Juan
Revilla, Zane Stein don't rely on the name of objects to derive
meaning from it.

Some of them suggested names to the astronomers that were accepted for
some centaurs after studying their orbits, physical properties. Nessus
was the first. http://www.zanestein.com/page4_2.htm

this is what Philip Sedgwick said
Star Blogs ~ The Galactic Times
Planet With No Name (Yet) ~ 02 Feb 2008

"So if you were Neil Young traversing the desert night sky on a planet
with no name, how could you derive any meaning for it? One, consider
its nature, uniqueness and physical profile. Two, assign interpretive
delineations by pondering the sign and degree of critical orbital
elements, specifically the node and closest point the body makes to
the Sun."

the closest point of the object makes to the sun is called the
Perihelion.

Here is some stuff by Juan Revilla who believes in the orbital
symbolism should be used to determine an object's astrological meaning
and not the name.

ORBITAL SYMBOLISM IN ASTROLOGY http://www.expreso.co.cr/centaurs/essays/paradigm.html

Zane Stein even added Persephone/Proserpina symbolism in his Eris
keywords. Michael Brown wanted to name Eris "Persephone", and he even
said that it was like Persephone. He said that half of the time, Eris
orbits away from Pluto. But the names, "Persephone" and "Proserpina"
were given to asteroids. Obviously, astronomers gave mythological
names too readily. Michael Brown did give the name Eris after all the
discord among the astronomers. Methinks..that there could be
astrologers in discord. Many astrologers don't agree on many things in
Astrology like orbs are hotly debated.

I was thinking how Ceres and Pluto are made equals in Astronomy
because of the discovery of Eris, and how it can seem similar to how
Pluto/Hades and Ceres/Demeter shared equal amount of time with
Proserpina/Persephone.
Pluto got demoted to minor planet and assigned a minor planet number.
Ceres got promoted to dwarf planet. Therefore, Pluto and Ceres are
equals in astronomy. Pluto got the same treatment as Ceres. Ceres was
classed as a planet but got it's planetary status stripped after the
realization that it is one of many objects in the asteroid belt
between Mars and Jupiter. Now Pluto's planetary status is stripped
after the realization that it is one of many objects in the Kuiper
Belt. After they found Eris, the need to make a definition of what
planet had to be made. Astronomers even hypothesize there could be a
dozen Plutos out there and even some Mars-sized objects. Any
ways...Ceres and Pluto were made equals because of Eris, and so that's
one of the reasons that I believe Eris has to do with equal rights,
civil rights issues.. I am seeing Eris in civil rights, equal rights
events....especially involving Black civil rights issues. Eris can be
related to minority rights issues. Eris' Perihelion is in Libra seems
to reflect the equality, fairness, getting along that Eris seems to
call for. Eris' Aphelion in Aries seems to reflect the war, conflict,
aggression, trouble that Eris is known for causing. Eris' North Node
in Taurus seems to reflect the solidarity. It can also be the
stubbornness, materialism that often causes problems in society and
creates division between people. Eris' South Node in Scorpio seems to
reflect the transformation, rebirth, but also revenge, resentment that
often connection to division of humanity and linked to racism.

When I think of Eris, I think of taking sides, forced to decide
between two things, torn between two factions, dilemmas, "If you are
not with me, you are against me", betrayal, resentment that happens
after choosing a side, creating a bridge, narrowing the gap

Eris orbits beyond Saturn, and so it seems like it can relate to the
metaphysical. It is a kuiper belt object like Pluto, and so it can
seem to relate to intensity, transformation, and rebirth. Eris' orbit
is more unusual than Pluto for its not only it's more elliptical, but
it is tilted 44.187 degrees relative to the plane of the solar system.
Pluto's orbit is only inclined 17 degrees. That would reflect that
Eris relates to being a nonconformist as well as being divergent.

Based on reading Zane Stein's article and his keywords as well as Roy
MacKinnon's keywords and the charts that I have looked at, I believe
that Eris has to do with stirring stuff up, controversy, ideology,
civil/equal rights matters, standing up for self/others, advocacy,
bigotry, racism, minorities, race relations, diversity, .....all those
things are connected to each other too.

It could be racial relations stuff like the racial divide, interracial
relationships, interracial marriages, interracial family
connections,and interracial parentage. It it could be the multiracial.
It could even be international relations. It could be like tolerance/
intolerance of divergence, diversity, minorities(not necessarily race,
ethnic...but even religion, sexual orientation, etc). It's the
intolerance of divergents, diversity, minorities that lead to equal/
civil rights issues.

Roy, Zane, Francisco, and Phil have some very good preliminary
keywords for Eris, and they go well beyond discord. The Eris research
that I did seem to support their keywords.

Roy MacKinnon's Eris' Keywords:
Striving to achieve one's goals and refusing to capitulate to the
pressure of unjust treatment and discord from abusive authority : with
great inner conviction and single-mindedness of purpose following a
path of high attainment and enlightenment notwithstanding adversity -
alternatively refusing the call to transform with mediocrity and
underachievement as consequences: issues around power abuse of
minorities, the defenceless, the alien: networks, multinational
countries and companies, the world- wide web: piracy, terrorism, clash
of ideologies: conflict between desires of personality and pursuit of
the inner call: persecution of the spiritually aware person who stands
alone courageously acting according to conscience: an outstanding
individual ahead of the times.

Zane Stein's Eris Keywords:
Loss of innocence, entrance into adulthood; child's trauma being
separated from parent; acceptance of unavoidable changes; dying and
being reborn (as opposed to Pluto which rules the causes/processes of
death and rebirth); internal split causing longing to be whole, the
longing of the soul for its other half; the subject/object of a
debate, argument, competition, conflict or war...what stirs people to
fight or disagree; fighting for one's rights; strife and discord;
pitting one side against the other; competition, contests and
tournaments; struggles for supremacy; rivalry; a test of skills or
abilities; love of fighting or debate; what one has at stake in a
competition, dispute or conflict, or one's perspective of what is
being fought over; refusing to relinquish one's hold on an ideal,
belief, cause, or object...'not budging an inch'; the problems
resulting from irreconcilable differences; contrasting different
perspectives; comparing thesis and antithesis in the search for truth;
contrasting opposing viewpoints to reveal each side more clearly, to
seek similarities as well as differences; contrasting logical thought
processes to show the limitations of logic; identifying with, or
trying to understand, first principles; incongruous juxtapositions to
force one to think outside of the box; the ethics connected with one's
motives and methods, and the coming to light of less than spotless
methods; the roots of one's motivations; piracy, defrauding,
swindling; society's ethics; race intent.

Francesco Schiavinotto's Keywords:
Dam; Damming; Obstruction; Obliteration; To be opposite; Aversion for
the Extraneous; To obstacle the Alien; False Adaption between
Different Matters; Reciprocal Aversion; Feeling to be Invaded;
Resistance; Incommunicability; Controversial Figure; Ecological
Incompatibility; Underground Instability

It's Eris' Co-Discoverer, Michael Brown that seemed to give the clue
to Eris' meaning

"She causes strife by causing arguments among men, by making them
think their opinions are right and everyone else's is wrong, " Brown
said. "It really is just perfect." ) http://www-tech.mit.edu/V126/N38/38shorts2.html

That seems to fit with
controversy,ideology,diversity,divergence,considerate/inconsiderate of
viewpoints/opinions/beliefs/values,bigotry,terrorism, redefining
boundaries)......Honestly, I think that it not only fits with any
belief system but also even Astrology(look at how much diversity is in
Astology that involves so much disagreement that even Steven
Forrest ,who has Moon conjunct Eris, refers to the issue as Tower
Babel and stated that the idea of "One True Astrology" is a myth and
destructive). I even think that Eris might even be a co-ruler of
Astrology.

The Tower of Babel applies to the whole planet in general for there is
much diversity with much intolerance,miscommunications,and
misunderstandings.

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posted January 08, 2011 07:00 PM            

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Originally posted by Still_Hopeful:
Glacius, Thanks
Got it.... it is not an asteroid.
However, don't you think the naming is subjective. How can you interprite it in natal or transit charts. Eris could be named after another Ellada heroes or Gods/ Demigods.
Example: Eris would be named Adromeda or something of this nature and the meaning of the planet in the charts is changing.

Right now Eris is in my 5th house, meaning I have discord in romance/children soon. which is true btw. However if Eris would be named differently the meaning would change completely.

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astrologers take the astronomical,orbital features into account and not just the name.
I made that point in my previous post.

That's what I do.

actually Philip Sedgwick devises keywords based on the objects heliocentric north node and perihelion.

For instance

Eris' heliocentric north node is in Taurus an Perihelion is in Libra

so some of his keywords have Libra and Taurus qualities and not just stuff based on Eris' name

some astrologers look at the object's discovery chart for clues about what the object is about

for instance,
in Eris' discovery chart
Mercury-Venus-Pluto in Sagittarius in 9th
which could indicate that Eris might have to do with ideological views as well as the issues that could arise from having ideological views that are extreme or so narrowly focused to the point that you exclude other's view which could lead to intense arguments and even fighting.

that fits with how mythological Eris made people quarrel fight by making them think that their views are right and others' views are wrong

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posted January 08, 2011 07:09 PM            

It's basically about my view of Uranus being given some characteristics that belong to Eris. It is also about mythological and astronomical symbolism that can possibility give some insight into Eris' role in Astrology

I believe that some of Eris' characteristics have been assigned to Uranus,and I know that this view is very controversial and ridiculous view to astrologer. What would many Vedic Astrologers and Classical Astrologers say about Modern Astrologers use of the outerplanets which aren't in their systems? They would say that they don't need the outerplanets because they already have the traditional 7 planets as well as the lunar nodes.

What would many Astronomers say about Astrologers in general? well......they would say that we are a bunch of pseudoscientists that are using inaccurate zodiac and that we are fraudulent and delusional for practicing such nonsense.

The traits of Uranus seem to be traits of Mercury,Jupiter,Saturn. Uranus can relate to Mercury because it's intellectual,nervous energy..it also is considered the high octave of Mercury...especially with Uranus ruling Aquarius which is an airsign like Gemini which Mercury rules Uranus can relate to Jupiter in regards to progression,freedom with Jupiter ruling the freedom-oriented,progressive sign Sagittarius. Uranus could possibly relate to Saturn with Saturn's traditional rulership of Aquarius which is a fixed sign and in that sense shares some rigidity with Saturn. I even think that Uranus and Saturn could possibly share some detachment. I believe that Vedic Astrologers do view Saturn as a detachment type of planet in some respects. They would see that my Moon in Aquarius aspected by Saturn indicates detachment in my Vedic Chart. They put mainly emphasis on Ketu(South Lunar Node) as detachment. They don't need to use Uranus to see detachment in charts. They also tend to see Rahu(North Lunar Node) as unconventional too,and they don't need to see Uranus for that. They would see my Rahu in 6th house as unconventional about work,service like Mars in Aquarius in 6th is viewed as that in Western Astrology.

The traits of Neptune seem to be traits of Moon,Jupiter,and Venus. Neptune can relate to Moon because it's sensitivity,dreams,and the unconscious. Some say Neptune is collective unconscious and Moon is personal unconscious. Neptune is exalted in Moon's sign,Cancer. Neptune can relate to Jupiter because of its idealism...especially with Jupiter's traditional rulership of Pisces which has been assigned to. Both Jupiter and Neptune are exalted in Cancer. Neptune can relate to Venus because it's aesthetic,relating to beauty,love. Venus is more about personal love and Neptune IS more about collective or universal love. Neptune is considered the high octave of Venus. Neptune is said to be the mystic,but Ketu(South Lunar Node) is used as the mystical planet in Vedic Astrology. They would see my Ketu in Cancer in 12th as a mystical placement like Western Astrologers would see my Moon in Pisces(square its dispositor,Neptune) as one.

The traits of Pluto seem to be traits of Mars and Saturn. Pluto can relate to Saturn with it being seen by some as a dark planet. Saturn was the traditional planet of death,and now that's been assigned to Pluto.
Pluto can relate to Mars as it can be aggressive,passionate...especially with Mars' traditional rulership of Scorpio which has been assigned to Pluto. Vedic Astrologers tend to see Rahu(North Lunar Node) in regards to being very passionate in the way Pluto is. Pluto is considered the high octave of Mars. Another interesting thing is that both Mars and Saturn are considered to be malefics in classical and Vedic Astrology. Interestingly, Mars/Saturn midpoint is known as the death axis in Cosmobiology. That also makes me think of Pluto having a Mars/Saturn combo energy. Pluto was assigned the rulership of Scorpio which is the sign that Pluto's Perihelion has been in for many centuries. Coincidence? I don't think so.

Vedic Astrologers contribute the outerplanet energies to Rahu(North Lunar Node) and Ketu(South Lunar Node) and Saturn. I have already mentioned some examples of that.

I believe that modern Astrologers that negatively criticize astrologers that use Eris would be no different from Vedic Astrologers and Classical Astrologers that criticize astrologers for using the outerplanets. Of course, it wouldn't be any different from astronomers that negatively criticize astrologers.

Astrology has really diverged from Astronomy since the Discovery of Uranus. Astrologers differ in their views,and there is a lot of disagreement about what methods to use. I believe that it's better to agree to disagree. It would be nice if astrologers even think of other astrological systems as equal and not viewing them as inferior,inaccurate,nor nonsense. Like I said before, not only is their discord among astronomers but discord among astrologers.

I feel that all this relates to Eris which I believe rules Astrology along with Uranus. Astrology
is a controversial subject in mainstream society.

Many astrologers think of Uranus as stirring stuff up,controversy, and even one astrologer
contributed racism to Uranus,but I am convinced that is Eris.

I believe that Eris has to do with divergence,diversity more than Uranus does. Wars are fought because of differences in views,opinions,and beliefs.
People fought others that are different from them. People had that "you're wrong and I am right" mentality, and I see that going on in regards to morals,ethics,religion,politics,education,scientific fields,relationships,the food that we eat...I hate to say,but I see it in Astrology too. Even Steven Forrest who has a close Moon-Eris conjunction says that there is a Tower of Babel going on among astrologers,and he pointed out that the idea of one true Astrology is a myth and destructive. It's often thinking that one is better than the other which can lead to to superiority-inferiority issues. This is what can lead to equal/civil rights issues. Then people feel the need to stand up for themselves and fight for their rights. They end up being advocates which astrologers assign to Uranus. I think that advocacy and activism are mixed up. I think activism is more linked to wanting to get changes made and even progress. It can even be independence to some degree. Abolutionism would seem like Uranus, but the whole slavery thing is based on ideology leading to the superiority-inferiority issues.

Dr. Michael E. Brown, a professor of planetary astronomy at the California Institute of Technology who discovered the distant ball of ice and rock that he nicknamed Xena and that had been designated 2003 UB313, chose the name Eris, after the goddess of discord and strife in Greek mythology.
“It is absolutely the perfect name,” Brown said, given the continuing discord among astronomers and the public over whether Pluto should have retained its planetary status.
In mythology, Eris ignited discord that led to the Trojan War.
“She causes strife by causing arguments among men, by making them think their opinions are right and everyone else’s is wrong,” Brown said. “It really is just perfect.”
tech.mit.edu/V126/N38/38shorts2.html

Don't many people do that on our planet today? Of course they do, this has been going on for centuries,millenniums. Many arguments,fights,battles,and wars(including civil and world wars) have occurred because of intolerance of people's differences in some form or another.

It seems all about ideology,diversity,equality matters in general. Eris can be about "-isms"

Intolerance of diversity is the greatest problem on our planet.

Even consider it's orbit. Uranus' orbit eccentricity is 0.044 405 586, but Eris' orbit eccentrity is 0.441 77. Therefore, Eris' orbit is more eccentric than Uranus' orbit. It would be logical to think that Eris more eccentric than Uranus in its astrology. Uranus orbital inclination is 0.772 556°, but Eris orbit is 44.187°. Eris' orbit is more inclined. Uranus' orbit mean anomaly is 142.955 717°,but Eris' orbit mean anomaly is 197.634 27°. Eris' orbit is more of an anomaly than Uranus. Conclusion of Eris being more of an anomaly than Uranus in regards to Astrological characteristics makes sense to me. Uranus travels on the ecliptic like all the other planets do,and it's in the constellation of Aquarius right now. Eris travels far off the ecliptic plane,and is in the the constellation of Cetus which is not one of the zodiac constellations. Uranus doesn't have a highly elliptical orbit like Eris does. Unlike Uranus,Eris is a scattered disk object. Of course, Eris is far smaller than Uranus,but larger than Pluto. Eris is a lot more divergent than Uranus can ever be. Eris doesn't fit in with the other planets just like the mythological Eris didn't fit in with the major Greek deities. Therefore it makes perfect sense for me to consider divergence and diversity can be keywords for Eris.

Pluto got to be classed as a planet for over 40 years, but larger Eris didn't get to be classed as a planet, and that mirrors how mythological Eris was a minor goddess who wasn't invited to the wedding of King Peleus and Thetis who were the parents of Achilles who fought in the Trojan War. She was being discriminated against because she was this bad nasty goddess who caused trouble. However, even the major gods/goddesses weren't all innocent. They were known for causing a lot of trouble and being nasty and cruel to mortals and to each other. How can Eris exclusion for being a troublemaker be justified? Certainly,Ares,the God of War, was a nasty,cruel troublemaker,and he was included in the wedding. To me, Eris' throwing the golden apple not only exposed the petty vanities of the goddesses, but also showed how they were a bunch of hypocrites that weren't perfect. Paris awarded the golden apple to Aphrodite who was so promiscuous and didn't care about her own marriage vows with Hephaestus,getting it on with Ares as well as other gods and even mortals like Anchises(father of her son,Aeneas who fought in Trojan War,mythical ancestor of Rome),she promised Paris, the most beautiful woman in the world,Helen, but she was married to King Menelaus of Sparta. I would think that would make Aphrodite a troublemaker and just as dishonorable as Eris. She was held in high regard because of her great beauty,being the Goddess of Beauty and not just Love. Eris was the ugly goddess,and so didn't get a free ride like Aphrodite did. Of course, Aphrodite was far more attracted to the handsome vain,cruel,bloodthirsty Ares than to his ugly hardworking,humble,good-natured brother Hephaestus. To me, Eris can be seen as somebody who is "ugly" but who exposing the ugliness and hypocrisy of people who are "beautiful." To put it bluntly, Eris can be about showing a person who thinks his/her crap doesn't stink really does stink.
Eris doesn't seem to care about the status quo which is based on the majority of what people think is right and what is wrong just like rules and laws which aren't always fair and just. Eris seems to challenge the self-righteousness of others and expose their hypocrisy.

Because of the discovery of Eris', Pluto was demoted to minor planet just like Ceres had been demoted to minor planet. Now Ceres and Pluto are now equals for they are both assigned minor planet numbers and classed as dwarf planets. That's because of the discovery of Eris. Just think how Pluto/Hades and Ceres/Demeter shared time with Proserpina/Persephone in Roman/Greek mythology.
Proserpina/Persephone was away from Hades/Pluto for half of the year to be with her mother,Demeter/Ceres.

This is what Eris' co-discover said in reference to naming Eris when it was just nicknamed Xena.
"Interestingly, there are no actual rules for how to name a planet (presumably because no one expected there to be more). All of the other planets are named for Greek or Roman gods, so an obvious suggestion is to attempt to find such a name for the new planet. Unfortunately, most of the Greek or Roman god names (particularly those associated with creation, which tend to be the major gods) were used back when the first asteroids were being discovered. If a name is already taken by an asteroid, the IAU would not allow that name to be used again. One such particularly apt name would have been Persephone. In Greek mythology Persephone is the (forcibly abducted) wife of Hades (Roman Pluto) who spends six months each year underground close to Hades. The new planet is on an orbit that could be described in similar terms; half of the time it is in the vicinity of Pluto and half of the time much further away. Sadly, the name Persephone was used in 1895 as a name for the 399th known asteroid. The perhaps more appropriate Roman version of the name, Proserpina, was used even earlier for the 26th known asteroid. The same story can be told for almost any other Greek or Roman god of any consequence. One exception to this name depletion is the Roman god Vulcan (Greek Haphaestus), the god of fire. Astronomers have long reserved that term, however, for a once hypothetical (now known to be nonexistent) planet closer to the sun than Mercury (god of fire, near the sun, good name). We would not want to use such a name to describe such a cold body as our new planet!" www.gps.caltech.edu/~mbrown/planetlila/

I checked out any Eris activity during the discovery of Uranus which could reflect that Eris' energy was also involved and that some of its characteristics were assigned to Uranus. Maybe Astrologers picked up on Eris' energy when it was considering Uranus' role in Astrology.

Uranus discovery chart:
March 13, 1781
Bath,England
12:00 PM..not sure of actual time

Mercury in 11'10 Aries
Eris in 13'54 Capricorn
(The Mercury square Eris could relate to perceptions linked to Eris that helped Uranus be discovered which lead to causing disorder in organization of perceptions of the old solar system just like Eris' discovery led to disorder in organization of perceptions of what constitutes a planet leading to Pluto being demoted from major planet to minor planet,and made equals with Ceres with both Pluto and Ceres being classed as dwarf planets. This aspect could be about divergent,diverse communications,mental activity,ideas.)

I have Mercury in 3rd biquintile Eris with 6 minutes of arc myself. The biquintile is a 5th harmonic aspect devised by astronomer/astrologer,Johannes Kepler,and it relates to creativity. I believe that it fits with my Dyslexia,Dyspraxia,ADHD(they tend to be comorbid) which has a lot to do with neurodivergence,thinking, outside the box,seeing things from other perspectives. I think that this is also reflected by Eris aspecting both my Mercury-ruled angles. It sextile my Gemini Midheaven with 1'01 orb and quincunx my Virgo Ascendant with 1'12 orb. I even have Eris/Node midpoint in Virgo square my Midheaven in Gemini with 8 minutes of arc and Eris semisquare Mercury/Saturn midpoint with 30 minutes of arc. There is a very strong Mercury-Eris theme in my chart. All this a mere coincidence. I don't think so. It's more like synchronicity to me.

I checked to see if any connections to Geocentric Eris Nodes as well as Heliocentric Nodes

Venus in 2'21 Pisces
sextile North Eris Node in 2'21 Taurus
trine South Eris Node in 3'39 Scorpio
sextile/trine Heliocentric Nodes in 2'34 Taurus/Scorpio
This could be values,love,relationships connected to the collective issues of diversity,discord,equal rights
(so Uranus Discovery chart's Venus trines South Eris Node and sextiles the North Eris Node
note: The Eris North Node is sextile its dispositor,Venus...so a double whammy of Eris Node-Venus.)

I checked the Heliocentic Chart (After all..there is such thing as heliocentric Astrology...Philip Sedgwick has a book on it called Sun At The Center..I have that book too)

Heliocentric Mercury in 2'00 Cancer
sextile/trine Heliocentric Eris Nodes in 2'34 Scorpio
(This could be communications,mental activity,ideas that are connected to the collective issues of diversity,discord,equal rights)
Heliocentric Mercury is also the dispositor of the Heliocentric North Uranus Node in 12'50 Gemini

Heliocentric Mars in 13'26 Scorpio
sextile Heliocentric Eris in 12'44 Capricorn
(this could be activity that is diverse,divergent)

Heliocentric Eris also squares its own Perihelion/Aphelion in 11'50 Libra/Aries

I checked to see connections to Eris Perigree/Apogee axis

Perigree:The point nearest the Earth in the orbit of a planet or other celestial body.

Apogee: The point furthest from the Earth in the orbit of a planet or other celestial body.

Mercury is in 11'10 aries
Eris Apogee is in 11'40 aries
Eris Perigree is in 12'18 libra

So Mercury is aspected to not only Eris but Eris perigree/apogee axis and Heliocentric Mercury aspected to Heliocentric Eris Nodes suggesting that Uranus is connected to Eris and that astrologers were picking up on Erisian energy in Uranus and assigning some characteristics to Uranus that actually belong to Eris.

Could it be that the discovery of Uranus that ended up causing controversy,chaos in regards to view of the solar system which also ended up turning astrologers into not only minorities and outcasts from the academic,science fields but also created diversity,divergence in Astrology(for instance,some astrologers don't use the outerplanets and think that's the only right way to do Astrology) is linked to Eris? I believe that's the case. I believe that Eris could be co-ruler of Astrology along with Uranus.

another thing.......

if you check Eris' Perihelion/Aphelion axis and Heliocentric Uranus Nodes today

Perihelion - the point of a body's orbit that is closest to the Sun

Aphelion - the point of a body's orbit that is farthest from the Sun

you will find...

Eris Perihelion/Aphelion axis in 14'46 Libra/Aries
trine Heliocentric Uranus Nodes in 14'05 Gemini/Sagittarius

They move very slowly...far slower than outer planets. They don't even move a degree in a century

The Eris Perihelion/Aphelion axis and Heliocentric Uranus are always trine each other. They are very much connected. That means that the energy of Eris and Uranus are connected to each other too.

If you check the day that Uranus was discovered....

Eris Perihelion/Aphelion axis in 11'50 Libra/Aries
trine Heliocentric Uranus Nodes in 12'50 Gemini/Sagittarius

as you see, the Eris Perihelion/Aphelion axis and Heliocentric Uranus Nodes were trine each other like they still do.

I also find it interesting that Eris' North Node is in Taurus and Perihelion is in Libra, both signs ruled by Venus. This to me, can seem to mirror the mythologicial symbolism of the connection of Eris and Aphrodite with Aphrodite,born from the spot where Ouranos' detached genitals(severed by Cronos' sickle) were thrown in the sea, getting so much respect for her beauty and that she was one of the 12 major Greek deities(think of astronomical Venus' much larger size), but Eris, twin sister of Ares as well as daughter of Zeus and Hera didn't get to be to be included as a major Greek deity but was a minor deity(think of astronomical Eris' much smaller size) with her being ugly.

To me, it's like Eris demanding some equal treatment.

Eris saying "Let that materialistic bimbo rule Taurus, and let me rule Libra."

Of course, Eris' North Node and Perihelion placement mirrors the mythogical symbolism of Eris' throwing the golden apple in the wedding with Aphrodite's claim, competition,and the award of it which led to discord,war,hatred,killing,death,revenge between the Greeks and Trojans. This seems to reflect the Nodal axis in Taurus/Scorpio and Perihelion/Aphelion axis in Libra/Aries.

There are clues to Eris characteristics from not only mythology and but also astronomy

Astrologers don't need to depend on the name of an object to find meaning to it. They can use orbital and physical features for clues. Astronomically-oriented astrologers like Philip Sedgwick,Juan Revilla make that point.

In my own chart, Geo North Uranus Node is 12'04 Sagittarius in 4th conjunct my Imum Coeli in 11'14 Sagittarius,and that's trine by Eris in 12'15 Aries retrograde in 8th. I also have Uranus in 15'17 Libra oppose Eris and conjunct Eris Perihelion in 14'47 Libra. Maybe that has to do with my belief that some of Eris' characteristics had been given to Uranus.

Raymond N. Andrews

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No..I am not a Virgo.

posted January 08, 2011 07:15 PM            

as of right now it is still little bit hazy

posted January 08, 2011 08:17 PM            

but

ironically

my tropical Sun in Scorpio is in the constellation of Virgo

I was born on October 29th, and that's the 2nd to the last day that Sun is in the constellation of Virgo before entering the Sun in the constellation of Libra.
In the contellation zodiac, there are 13 constellations. Virgo is the largest and Scorpius is the smallest.

The meanings of the constellations are lot different from the meanings of the zodiac signs in both tropical and sidereal zodiac.

The zodiac signs in sidereal and tropical zodiac are based on their elements,modes,and the planets ruling them

the constellation zodiac is not

I like to make a rebuttal to any Sidereal that gets zealous about his Sidereal Zodiac Astrology by saying how tropical astrology is B.S. and that sidereal astrology uses the true zodiac, the real constellations by saying

"Even though my tropical Sun in Scorpio is in Libra in the Sidereal Zodiac, my Sun is in Virgo in the constellation zodiac for the actual constellations are 13 unequal constellations"

interesting tidbit:
for many years, Sun is in exact conjunction to the South Eris Node on October 29th

Therefore if you know anybody born on October 29th, you will automatically know that person has Sun conjunct South Eris Node. That person would be strongly connected to the collective matters involving Eris that could be about diversity,equality,controversy,and discord.

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No..I am not a Virgo.