posted January 09, 2011 08:42 PM            

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Originally posted by Dolphin07:
I think my nephew may be neurodivergent. He is currently on medication for ADD. He has a hard time focusing on simple tasks. He frequently loses things, as a child he used to spill things quite frequently. He has problem with his motor skills. Could look at his chart? Thanks. His birthdate is 11-1-1985 2:45 pm Winston-Salem, NC

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Absolutely

Was he diagnosed as having inattentive type ADHD, combined type ADHD, or hyperactive type ADHD?

With his problem with motor skills, does he have problems with coordination and clumsiness in general? Has he been diagnosed as having Dyspraxia or Developmental Coordination Disorder? Dyspraxia aka Developmental Coordination Disorder is a neurodivergent condition that tends to overlap with ADHD and Dyslexia. Dyspraxics have problems with motor skills/coordination and tend to be clumsy and awkward.
It's common for Dyspraxics and Dyslexics to be diagnosed as having ADHD.

Does he have any Dyslexic symptoms/traits too?

Does he have any problems with organization? Those tend to be weaknesses in Dyslexics,Dyspraxics,ADHDers.

Does he have any problems with directions including especially left/right confusion? Those issues tend to be common in Dyslexics and Dyspraxics. They will tend to have a mix dominance including even ambidexterity.

Does he think in pictures, think outside the box, nonconformist,and is creative/artistic in any way? Is he an ultrasensitive type?
Those traits fit with lightworker,Earth Angel,Indigo,Crystal,starseed.

Neurodivergents tend to be ultrasensitive types. Up to 70 percent of children with learning differences are thought to have sensory integration problems.
The highest contributor to sensory integration problems is said to be Autistic Spectrum and ADHD.

Is there a family history of Dyslexia,Dyspraxia,ADHD or symptoms/traits that fit with those neurodivergent conditions?

My first hunch before I even looked at his chart is that he is strong in the transneptunian dwarf planet/candidate energy. I was right about that.

I will go over his chart later.

I don't believe that ADHD is a disorder that needs to be medicated.

I believe in alternative treatments for ADHD.

Drug-Free Alternative Treatments,Therapies for ADHD http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum3/HTML/002297.html

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posted January 09, 2011 09:13 PM            

Absolutely

Was he diagnosed as having inattentive type ADHD, combined type ADHD, or hyperactive type ADHD?

Yes, He was diagnosed as having ADHD and he is currently taking medication.

With his problem with motor skills, does he have problems with coordination and clumsiness in general? Has he been diagnosed as having Dyspraxia or Developmental Coordination Disorder? Dyspraxia aka Developmental Coordination Disorder is a neurodivergent condition that tends to overlap with ADHD and Dyslexia. Dyspraxics have problems with motor skills/coordination and tend to be clumsy and awkward.
It's common for Dyspraxics and Dyslexics to be diagnosed as having ADHD.

He does have problems with clumsiness and awkwardness, I remember he used to spill drinks, food etc. He is clumsy.

Does he have any Dyslexic symptoms/traits too?

Does he have any problems with organization? Those tend to be weaknesses in Dyslexics,Dyspraxics,ADHDers.

Yes, he is usually not organized and loses things a lot. He would not be someone I would see working a 9-5 job. He does better in more creative type positions like he has now.

Does he have any problems with directions including especially left/right confusion? Those issues tend to be common in Dyslexics and Dyspraxics. They will tend to have a mix dominance including even ambidexterity.

Yes and He is ambidexrous as am I.

Does he think in pictures, think outside the box, nonconformist,and is creative/artistic in any way? Is he an ultrasensitive type?

Definitely and he is very sensitive, artist and creative. He really has a genius mind. He is smart.

Those traits fit with lightworker,Earth Angel,Indigo,Crystal,starseed.

Neurodivergents tend to be ultrasensitive types. Up to 70 percent of children with learning differences are thought to have sensory integration problems.
The highest contributor to sensory integration problems is said to be Autistic Spectrum and ADHD.

Is there a family history of Dyslexia,Dyspraxia,ADHD or symptoms/traits that fit with those neurodivergent conditions?

I think I could have some traits, also his mom(my sister) and my other sister and our mom. We all have nervous energy and sometimes the inability to concentrate.

My first hunch before I even looked at his chart is that he is strong in the transneptunian dwarf planet/candidate energy. I was right about that.

I will go over his chart later.

posted January 09, 2011 10:07 PM            

BTW
are the asteroids, Dolyphn and Cetacea prominent in your chart?

They are in mine.

With your username, I wouldn't be surprised that they are strong in your chart.

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posted January 10, 2011 02:27 PM            

This is my take

I believe that the energy of the transneptunian objects involve lessons,experiences that can really make or break you. The hard aspects tend to indicate the possibility of experiencing some type of trauma which may be trying to the spirit but can eventually help you to grow spiritually. What doesn't kill you can make you stronger is something that can be applied the transneptunian dwarf planets,transneptunian dwarf planet candidates.
They are highly metaphysical energies that involve insight,inspiration,and creativity that should be used not just for your benefit but for the benefit of many others. These energies are about about going well beyond self and tapping into that mass consciousness. There is a potential to really make a mark on the world and affect people on a grand scale.

Saturn is the planet known as the planet of physical boundaries. All the planets beyond Saturn are referred to as outerplanets, and so they are related to metaphysical energies. Uranus is the planet of liberation from boundaries as it breaks way with its need for independence,and it is associated with innovation and intuitive flashes. Neptune is the planet of dissolution of boundaries as it pierces the veil to reveal another world,and it is associated with imagination,inspiration, and psychism. Pluto is the planet of elimination of boundaries, and is compared to being the other side. This could be death,afterlife,or could be the subterranean depths of the human psyche. It is possible that Pluto's fellow transneptunian objects could be similar to Pluto. I believe that Pluto and its fellow transneptunians can be energies so metaphysical that they can be hard to handle and can manifest as problems on the physical plane.

Their very distant location,their tendency to orbit off the ecliptic as well as some of them with highly elliptical orbits make them objects that are divergent from the planets. Therefore, people with strong transneptunian energies can be divergent from the norm. They can be quite the nonconformists. I suspect that these are the same people that can relate to personality types like Indigo,Crystal,Earth Angel,Lightworker too. The same energies could be prominent in people with neurodivergences like Dyslexia,Dyspraxia,ADHD, Autistic Spectrum. The energies could be prominent in people that are schizophrenic,bipolar. The symptoms/traits of neurodivergence overlap with those of schizophrenia,bipolar. Because of the narrow-minded views about the metaphysical and sensitivities by scientific,mental health commmunity, metaphysically oriented types could get misdiagnosed as schizophrenics or bipolars. Transneptunian dwarf planet people can find it hard to live in a society with mainstream religion and psychiatry.

I believe that people strong in transneptunian dwarf planet energy are people that are ahead of their time which reflects how transneptunians weren't discovered until 1990's except for Pluto in 1930. I think that Pluto's fellow big transneptunians are very complex objects,and so it make sense that they are not easy to understand exactly how they work. That fits perfectly with them being objects that orbit beyond Neptune and being discovered in the 21st Century. They are so recently discovered,and so they aren't understood well. Of course, they are complex and mysterious objects - far more so than Pluto. It would make sense for people strong in the 21st Century objects to be complex,mysterious,and not easy to understand. The transneptunians as extremely primitive remnants of the solar system could mean that people strong in transneptunian energy are also deeply connected to the past. It said that highly metaphysically oriented people are intuitive,perceptive,and deeply connected to both the past and future that would be in synchronicity with how transneptunian objects are very primitive solar system remnants discovered later than the planets. The transneptunians failed to form as planets. I see that as like how transneptunian people don't fit in easily with other people. Their belief in and practice of metaphysical,occult systems can be seen as too primitive by mainstream people that believe in knowledge of science. The transneptunians are so far away from the Sun, that they are shrouded in darkness. These transneptunians can be viewed as the shadow,and deep unconscious of a person. Many Transneptunian people's beliefs in metaphysical,occult systems can be be viewed as being "dark" by people that hold conservative religious beliefs.

Conjunctions,oppositions,squares to transneptunian dwarf planet objects,nodes can indicate very difficult life that can involve significant trauma but opportunity for significant spiritual growth. They have to avoid boundary issues. There can be a very fine line between the mystic,psychic,shaman and the schizophrenic,psychotic with people who have hard transneptunian dwarf planet aspects. It depends on how the person is. Even the soft aspects can be misused.

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posted January 10, 2011 02:28 PM            

Sun in 9'19 Scorpio
oppose Sedna in 8'34 Taurus R - '44 (Strong theme that is hard to ignore)
square Orcus in 7'29 Leo
(T-Square)
self expression,ego,vitality,masculine energy are at odds with matters having to do with the otherworldly,victimization,environmental awareness, and in friction with matters dealing with oaths and promises
The self expression,ego,vitality are highly evolutionary intensified

with Jupiter in 8'31 Aquarius, a grand cross - the conflict of expansion,judgment

Moon in 23'37 Gemini
conjunct Varuna in 21'45 Gemini R
square Haumea in 23'50 Virgo - '13 (Strong theme that is hard to ignore)
emotional nature,feelings,instincts,feminine nature merge with matters having to do with justice,judgment,competence, and are in friction with matters dealing with creativity,fertility
The emotional nature,feelings,instincts,and feminine nature are highly evolutionary intensifed

Mercury in 1'25 Sagittarius
square Makemake in 1'24 Virgo
thoughts,communications,mental processes are in friction with creativity,fertility
The thoughts,communications,mental processes are highly evolutionary intensified

Midheaven in 18'04 Sagittarius
conjunct Uranus in 15'57 Sagittarius
trine Eris in 15'36 Aries R
Aim in life,social status,career merge with the unconventional,independence,innovation , and are in harmony with matters dealing with equality,diversity
The aim in life,social status,career are about not going with the status quo are evolutionary intensified

In Right Ascension:
Sun in 6'56 Scorpio
conjunct Pluto in 7'55 Scorpio - '59 (Strong theme that is hard to ignore)
oppose Sedna in 9'54 Taurus
square Orcus in 7'29 Leo - '19 (Strong theme that is hard to ignore)
(T-Square)
Ego,self expression,vitality,masculine energy merge with matters dealing with transformation,intensity,regeneration , and they are at odds with matters dealing with the otherworldly,victimization,and environmental awareness, and all of that is friction with matters dealing oaths and promises
The ego,self expression,vitality,masculine energy are highly evolutionary intensified

Moon in 22'50 Gemini
conjunct Varuna in 21'21 Gemini R
sextile Eris in 21'28 Aries R
emotional nature,feelings,instincts,feminine nature merge with matters dealing with judgment,justice,competence, and they work with matters dealing with equality,diversity
The emotional nature,feelings,instincts,feminine nature are highly evolutionary intensified

Midheaven in 17'02 Sagittarius
square Makemake in 15'10 Virgo
aim in life,social status,career in friction with matters dealing with creativity,fertility
the aim in life,social status,career are evolutionary intensified

Ascendant in 11'11 Pisces
square Uranus 14'45 Sagittarius
the personal,relating with others in friction with unconventional,independence,innovation

Declinations:

Mercury 22'56 South
parallel Uranus 22'45 South
parallel Neptune 22'20 South
parallel/contraparallel Midheaven/Imum Coeli 22'54 South/North
contraparallel Haumea 22'53 South
The thought processes,communications,mental activity merge with unconventional,independence,innovation, dissolution,inspiration,idealism,aim in life,career,social status, and they are at odds with matters dealing with creativity,fertility
The thought processes are evolutionary intensified and metaphysically oriented, a lateral type of thinker

He has a total of 4 Strong Theme Transneptunian Dwarf Planet/Candidate Aspects indicate very TransNeptunian Person (TNP)
Sun oppose Sedna - '44
Moon square Haumea - '13
Sun conjunct Pluto - '59 in Right Ascension
Sun square Orcus - '19 in Right Ascension

I also checked Planetary Nodes

Sun in 9'19 Scorpio
square Geocentric South Neptune Node in 9'44 Aquarius
Sun is in friction with collective matters involving dissolution,idealism,inspiration

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posted January 10, 2011 03:05 PM            

Soomana in 16'26 Sagittarius - Hopi for Star Girl
conjunct/oppose Midheaven/Imum Coeli in 18'04 Sagittarius/Gemini

Geocentric South Sootiyo Node in 23'36 Pisces - Hopi for Star Boy
square Moon in 23'37 Gemini

Dolphyn in 11'03 Cancer - dolphins
trine Sun in 9'19 Scorpio
trine/sextile Ascendant/Descendant in 9'38 Pisces

Atlantis in 11'23 Pisces
conjunct/oppose Ascendant/Descendant in 9'38 Pisces
trine Sun in 9'19 Scorpio

In Declinations
Dolphyn in 22'54 North - dolphins
contraparallel Midheaven/Imum Coeli in 22'54 South/North
contraparallel Mercury in 22'56 South

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posted January 10, 2011 04:18 PM            

Their very distant location,their tendency to orbit off the ecliptic as well as some of them with highly elliptical orbits make them objects that are divergent from the planets. Therefore, people with strong transneptunian energies can be divergent from the norm. They can be quite the nonconformists. I suspect that these are the same people that can relate to personality types like Indigo,Crystal,Earth Angel,Lightworker too. The same energies could be prominent in people with neurodivergences like Dyslexia,Dyspraxia,ADHD, Autistic Spectrum. The energies could be prominent in people that are schizophrenic,bipolar. The symptoms/traits of neurodivergence overlap with those of schizophrenia,bipolar. Because of the narrow-minded views about the metaphysical and sensitivities by scientific,mental health commmunity, metaphysically oriented types could get misdiagnosed as schizophrenics or bipolars. Transneptunian dwarf planet people can find it hard to live in a society with mainstream religion and psychiatry.

posted January 10, 2011 04:29 PM            

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Originally posted by Dolphin07:
Thanks so much Glaucus. I think he is neurodivergent, but he has been diagnosed ADHD. I am not sure about this medication he is on, I think it could lead to depression. I forgot to mention a few other things like others seem to think he is on the feminine side and growing up he had a very cruel father. He was verbally abused badly by his father. Myself and other family members witnessed it. He is ultra sensitive even as a small child he was that way. He was repeatedly told he was a loser by his father. His parents are divorced now, but before his mom left his dad was a very tramatic time for him.

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Neurodivergent or Neurodiverse is label that applies to people with Autistic Spectrum, Dyspraxia,Dyslexia,ADHD, Dyscalculia,Tourette Syndrome, and other related conditions.

It's an equal rights label stemming from the Neurodiversity Movement which originated with autistic spectrum people.

There is strong overlap,co-existence of these neurodivergent conditions.

DANDA was formed by neurodivergents for neurodivergents. I know some of these people from Dyspraxia Yahoo group.

the following is from Developmental Adult Neuro-Diversity Association (DANDA)

The term Neuro-Diversity was first coined in the USA in the nineties on a computer list for people with Autism and Asperger’s Syndrome. Internet searches on the term tend to direct you to sites dealing with these conditions. It was also used by dyslexics on one of their lists in the USA. Unlike most names for ‘medical’ conditions, it was not chosen by the professionals.

However, many have now adopted it. Neuro-Diversity refers to the spectrum of neurological profiles describing how effective an individual is in processing information. This information comes in many forms, including written and spoken language, sounds, visual images, light, temperature, touch, texture and taste – as well as movement and co-ordination signals form the brain.

The processing of all these things includes not only receiving and interpreting, but also transmitting, concentrating and storing. For most people, i.e. the Neuro-Typical (NT), the cognitive profile is relatively smooth, with little variation in effectiveness of information processing.

This is in line with their general level of intellectual and reasoning ability. In contrast, a minority of people, i.e. the Neuro-Divergent (ND) have a cognitive profile which shows significant peaks and troughs, denoting significant disparity between the best and worst of their information processing.

The processing differences are present from birth, and are independent of any basic physical malfunctions, for example of eyes, ears or limbs. It is thought that 10% of the population is significantly ND, with many more having some degree of neuro-diversity. The norms of ‘easy’ and ‘difficult’ tend not to work for NDs, and in many cases are actually reversed.

For some, complex mathematical analysis is ‘a walk in the park’, where an actual walk in the park can be a nightmare.

What conditions does Neuro-Diversity include

• The conditions currently considered part of Neuro-Diversity are Dyspraxia, Dyslexia, Dyscalculia, AD (H)D, Asperger’s Syndrome, Autism and Tourette’s syndrome, as well as other conditions such as Semantic Pragmatic Disorder and Oppositional Defiant Disorder (ODD). What problems can be caused by to lack of Awareness

• Over and above the difficulties that can be caused by Neuro-Diversity itself, there are a number of issues that arise as a result of a lack of awareness of Neuro-Diversity by NDs themselves, and by society at large. Many NDs, even as adults, are not aware of the condition, let alone that they have it.

There is a very low level of awareness among the medical profession in relation to adults. Many NDs have got themselves into a pattern (consciously or unconsciously) of masking or over-compensating for their difficulties from birth, and may find it hard to be assertive.

As a result of having to deal with their conditions in a world not willing to accommodate them, the ND can have mental health problems, including anxiety, depression and low self-esteem, and some can end up with drug/alcohol abuse which may also mask their condition. Many have problems realising their (often considerable) potential.

For example, the workplace is designed around the needs/features of the Neuro-Typical, e.g. open plan offices without screens to reduce distractions, and an expectation of organisational/administrative skills and an ability to multi-task.

The sooner the associated conditions are diagnosed and people given the necessary support and opportunities, the more likely it will be that they can lead fulfilled lives.
www.danda.org.uk/

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posted January 10, 2011 04:33 PM            

Genetic Neurodivergence Or Acquired Neurodivergence?

I am a member of Dyspraxia group on yahoo.
One of the members had disagreed that Dyspraxia can be a gift. He just sees it as a disability and hindrance. He thought of himself as being dumber than most. I tried to explain to him that many neurodivergents are very intelligent but tend to have feelings of intellectual inadequacy because they process information differently from most and are being compared to normal people. Then he told me that his brain damage connected to accident. He told me that somehow the umbilical cord got around his neck which resulted in severe oxygen deprivation.
I couldn't relate to that at all. I don't have brain damage. Neurologists examined me when I was in preschool because of my problems with coordination and balance, and they ruled out brain damage. In 2006, Veteran Affairs neurologists ruled out brain damage when I got examined by them. They also confirmed my Dyslexia and Dyspraxia and ruled that it was genetic and not acquired because my symptoms weren't progressive. They even said that they couldn't do anything for me. After all, I had already had auditory therapy,speech therapy,phonics training,and motor skills therapy to correct my Dyslexic,Dyspraxic issues when I was a child. My Veteran Affairs neuropsyche tests also confirmed that I had significant strengths in visual spatial thinking,strategic thinking,and problem solving even though I had weaknesses in short term memory(both visual and verbal), eye tracking, auditory processing,motor skills,and overall coordination. A lot of people in my family have neurodivergent traits. I even showed my mom a list of neurodivergent symptoms that Dr. Levinson wrote about, and she told me that she had a lot of them. My aunt (my mom's half sister) told me that she did too,and her daughter was diagnosed as having ADHD at the age of 7 because of her hyperactivity. My grandmother (my mom's stepmother) told me that my Uncle Eddie was recommended to be medicated for being very hyperactive, but she refused because she didn't want drugs messing up his brain. She also said that she's hyperactive,and so was my grandfather and they weren't taking medication for their hyperactivity. My Uncle Eddie's son, Joey is very hyperactive like his father. He is gifted and gets straight A's if he is disciplined. He gets F's when he is without discipline. My father disciplines him,and he gets straight A's again.

I am thinking of just creating a nonprofit neurodiversity organization just for people that have developmental neurodivergences and not for ones that are acquired. I believe that ones that are acquired and created by brain damage need advocacy too. I was told that my main life purpose is to help indigo,crystal types. I am thinking that's referring to the genetic neurodivergents that to tend have sigificant strengths in certain areas and not just weaknesses as well as are highly intelligent,ultrasensitive,and nonconformist. That's exactly how I am. I definitely have a genetic neurodivergence.

Take Ronald D. Davis' theory for instance. He has Autism and Dyslexia. He was labeled a Kanner's baby. He is an engineer,artist,and business man that heads an international organization to help people with neurodivergence through his methods.

This is what Ronald D. Davis said about basic abilities connected to neurodivergence:

1. They can utilize the brain's ability to alter and create perceptions (the primary ability)
2. They are highly aware of the environment.
3. They are more curious than average.
4. They think mainly in pictures instead of words.
5. They are highly intuitive and insightful.
6. They think and perceive multi-dimensionally (using all the senses)
7. They can experience thought as reality.
8. They have vivid imaginations.

That seems like stuff that pertains to Indigo,Crystal types

I can totally relate to that stuff,
especially thinking in pictures. I visualize things in my mind's eye nonstop. When I am doing things, I automatically see myself doing them like seeing myself in a mirror. It's like I am turning my mind's eye onto myself. When I look at a side of an object, I automatically visualize other sides of that object too. Man...I go see a dentist, get a root canal or filling done, I visualize the drill going into my tooth,seeing the inside,blood,nerves. I read a book,and it's like watching a movie. When I am listening to people talk, it's the same way. My mind automatically associates a picture with a certain word. When I massage a person, I visualize the muscles and the direction of the muscle fibers. I always visualize something before I do it
like visualizing myself walking to the door,putting my hand on the door knob and opening the door before I actually do it. It's just an automatic thing that I do.

I go to a club and visualize my dance moves in my head as well as visualize myself dancing in front of myself before I carry out my actual dance moves.

When I was a little child, I had no ability to think in words. I had to be taught to do that through the special education therapies that I had. Verbal thinking didn't come natural to me like it did with most children. Therefore, I had problems with overall language.
My mother told methat she thinks the same as I do as in thinking in pictures,visualizing things in her mind's eye nonstop. She is even righthanded but left ear dominant and left eye dominant just like myself. She has the same cross dominance like myself. So my neurological processes are definitely genetic.

I can totally relate to what Ronald D Davis is talking about. It seems that there are neurodivergents that can't relate. Those might be the ones that have acquired neurodivergence.

I can't help thinking that there is an issue with ADHDers with the DRD4 7R types (novelty-seeking types) getting looped up with ADHDers whose ADHD was caused by other things like vitamin/mineral deficiences, fetal alcohol syndrome,food sensitivities/allergies, omega 3 fatty acid deficiencies,heavy metal poisoning,toxins.
I can totally relate to the novelty-seeking traits of DRD4 7R gene. I see these novelty-seeking traits throughout my whole family. Could it be possible that psychiatric community believes that ADHDers need to be medicated based on the acquired ADHDers and not the genetic ADHDers? I believe that is the case.

Autism is another one. There are low functioning autistics and high functioning ones. Some of the nonverbal autistics that have been thought as being mentally retarded are actually very intelligent with strong visual spatial problem solving skills, suggesting complexity in thinking. They are not just rigid types that paying extreme attention to details like it was once thought. Autistic traits tend to run in families too. Some people believe that vaccines are causing autism. Maybe that is true, but for only the low functioning autistics. I don't believe that brain damage linked to vaccines would cause high intelligence with strong visual problem solving skills,and complexed thinking. That makes no sense to me. Scientists have already found genes and spontaneous genetic mutations connected to autism. Genetic mutations make a lot of sense. That is how we humans evolved and branched into various haplogroups and subclades. For instance, I belong to Haplogroup J with J1c subclade on the matrilineal line.

Some Dyslexics acquire their Dyslexia through glue ear which causes problems with their hearing. This makes it difficult for them to process sounds in words,and so leads to problems with listening,reading,and speaking. This is completely different from a Dyslexic who has problems with language due to the right hemisphere being always being overactive and interfering with left hemisphere processing. This is true for me. I continuously think in pictures,visualizing in my mind's eye (right hemisphere) and that includes when I am reading,listening,speaking,and writing (left hemisphere). As for my hearing, I was asked if I need ear plugs when I go sleep. My auditory processing issues used to include auditory reversals, but now just including memory and speech input lags, and some confusion at times as well as problems with strings of words.

I can't help wondering that what New Age people think are Indigo,Crystal types are actually the genetic neurodivergents including even people with spontaneous genetic mutations. Theythey are different from neurodivergents whose issues were acquired by certain things like ear infections/glue ear,heavy metal poisoning,vaccines,Omega 3 fatty acid deficiencies,as well as overall brain damage of some kind. It's very possible that the genetic neurodivergents are getting the short end of the stick based on being judged by how acquired neurodivergents are.

I am thinking that my nonprofit organization would be about genetic neurodivergence because it is something that I can strongly relate to. Acquired neurodivergence is not something that I can relate to. Talking about neurodivergence having certain strengths won't apply to them. Even saying that neurodivergence can be a gift would totally rub them the wrong way. It would be like saying polio or cancer is a gift. Some Dyspraxics in the group have already done that in yahoo group. I could understand some people telling me that ADHD is disorder and calling me "stupid" because I disagree with their views. That's already happened. Maybe they are right. Maybe it's the acquired ADHD that is a disorder but genetic ADHD isn't. Because of the overlap with Dyslexia and Dyspraxia, I believe that some ADHDers could also be Dyslexics and Dyspraxics that are misdiagnosed.

I believe that the Indigo,Crystal types aren't just people that fall under genetic neurodivergences of Dyslexia,Dyspraxia,ADHD,Autism. I believe that these are also types that are just gifted,but don't conform to mainstream environments. I also believe that some of the schizophrenics and bipolars are misdiagnosed Indigo,Crystal types too. After all, metaphysical stuff isn't recognized by psychiatric,scientific communities. Astronomical community totally look down on Astronomy. It's not farfetched that many Indigo,Crystal types are misdiagnosed as bipolars,schizophrenics for talking about their beliefs and perceptions. I believe that bipolar and schizophrenia have other causes that include not only vitamin/mineral deficiences but also certain things like drugs,toxins,and even pyroluria. Even taking psychiatric medications could ironically cause bipolar,schizophrenic symptoms. Indigo,Crystal types are ultrasensitive, and so they would be hypersensitive to medications which could lead to certain side effects. Heck..taking a little Paxil or Effexor gave me temporary impotence.

Neurodivergence isn't cut and dry.

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posted January 10, 2011 04:41 PM            

ADHD (Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder) is viewed as a disorder by the mainstream. Is it really a disorder? Does it really need to be medicated? Do people with ADHD really have problems with being hyperactive and/or inattentive?

DRD4 7R gene has been strongly linked to both ADHD (Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder) and a behavior trait called "novelty seeking" which often underlies addiction. Scientists suggest that DRD4 7R gene occurred recently in human evolution between 10,000 and 40,000 years ago which was the period that anthropologists concur that humans were developing the first signs of complex societies involving agriculture,rudimentary governments,and the creation of cities for the first time. Humans were also rapidly expanding and exploring the planet. The DRD4 7R Gene is shown to be an unusual, spontaneous mutation which became an advantage for humans, and so it became increasingly prevalent. It could explain why ADHD is very common today.

Even though DRD4 7R gene is strongly connected to ADHD with approximately half of ADHDers having DRD4 7R gene, it doesn't mean that all nor most DRD4 7R gene people have ADHD. Many DRD4 7R gene people aren't diagnosed as having ADHD, and it could be for a variety of reasons like not dealing with the public school system and were in schools like Montessori,Waldorf,and Sudsbury. They could have been homeschooled. They could have learned a lot of discipline,and some may have been spanked by their parents a lot. Some might have been viewed as troublemakers and delinquents. Some might even be misdiagnosed as having Bipolar Disorder. Some might even have been thought of as "he's just one of those Tom Sawyer-like boys,Huckleberry Finn-like boys." Some might have found outlets to channel their DRD4 7R traits. Some of those could be sports like football,track n' field,swimming,hockey,and basketball. They could also have been involved in creative and/or artistic outlets. There are numerous reasons that DRD4 7R gene types aren't diagnosed as having ADHD. Even neurodivergent conditions that tend to be comorbid with ADHD could mask the DRD4 7R gene traits like Dyslexia and Dyspraxia. The more severe the Dyslexia,Dyspraxia (especially if having both), the more likely they will be viewed as being disordered and placed in special education classes which tend to have negative stigma attached to them, being known by many as "retard classes".

Thom Hartmann's view of ADHD as an adaptive trait that was helpful for hunter-gathering types makes the most sense to me,and it's seems verified by the findings of the DRD4 7R gene. He even titled one of his books,THE EDISON GENE and the book goes over the DRD4 7R gene in relation to ADHD in regards to the hunter-gatherer view,the strengths, but also how it's a mismatch for mainstream education that focus on auditory sequential teaching methods. He is the same type. He got more involved with dealing with ADHD after one of his sons was diagnosed as having ADHD,and he was recommended to take medication for it. Both Thom Hartmann and his son are the Edison Gene types.

page 4 - 5 THE EDISON GENE ADHD And The Gift Of The Hunter Child by Thom Hartmann

What exactly defines those bearing this genetic makeup? Edison-gene children and adults are by nature

Enthusiastic
Creative
Disorganized
Non-linear in their thinking (they leap to new conclusions or observations)
Innovative
Easily distracted (or,to put it differently, easily attracted to new stimuli)
Capable of extraordinary hyperfous
Understanding of what it means to be an "outsider"
Determined
Eccentric
Easily Bored
Impulsive
Entrepreneurial
Energetic

All of these qualities lead them to be natural:

Explorers
Inventors
Discoverers
Leaders

I also believe that the Edison-gene children and adults can be good at things that involve anything that involves thinking outside the box,creativity,art,athletics,sports,being an entrepreneur, intuitive healing arts,metaphysical sciences like Astrology,anything that is nontraditional, computers,electronics,massage,acting,show business,and show business.

Thom Hartmann points out that those carrying the gene often find themselves in environments where they're coerced,threatened,or shoehorned into a classroom or job that doesn't fit. He said when Edison-gene children can be have great emotional and spiritual wounding when they are aren't recognized for their gifts but instead are told that they're disordered,broken,or failures. He points that the wounding can bring all sorts of problems for children,for the adults they grow into,and for our society.

He and many scientists,educations,physicaisns,and therapists believe that when these unique chilcren don't succeed in public schools,it's often because of a disconnect between them---their brains are wired to make them brilliant inventors and entrepreneurs--and our schools,which are set up for children whose brains are wired to make them good workers in the structured environments of a factory of officle cubicle.

I think that there are a lot of things factor in the life of an ADHDer,Edison Gene person like nurturing,upbringing,and the environment that they are in. That includes the domestic environment and the school environment. Support,love,and care is very important for neurodivergent children so they can grow up to be secure and believe in themselves. If they are abused in any kind of way and treated like they are stupid,incompetent,damaged,and/or defective(especially get placed in special education programs with the mentally retarded or being medicated), they can grow to be insecure and have low self esteem because their ultrasensitivity can make them highly vulnerable,susceptible to being strongly impacted by negativity.

ADHD is not some widespread epidemic either. They say that 5 percent of the population have ADHD. It runs in families. It's not even new. The traits of ADHD were recognized in 1798 by a Scottish-born physician and author, Sir Alexander Crichton. ADHD was recognized to be in adults by 1978. Long time ago,ADHD was known as other things like minimal brain dysfunction and hyperkinetic disorder.

In my opinion, ADHD isn't a disorder that needs to be medicated nor fixed in some way which is a view that many health practitioners(both conventional and alternative)share. There are strengths that come with it and not just weaknesses. It's not like Diabetes that some psychiatrists compare ADHD to. ADHD is no Ritalin deficiency like Diabetes is an insulin deficiency. The ADHDers don't need Ritalin. They need themselves and not be fitted in a box that they don't fit. Mainstream education isn't for these people. It certainly didn't fit Thomas Edison. His mother homeschooled him. There really needs to be multisensory teaching methods like that are used in Waldorf,Montessori schools. They need their imagination,sensitivity,and other strengths to be nurtured and not suppressed. ADHDers aren't made to be routine 9-5 workers,and so they need to stop being trained to be like them.

Psychiatrists believe that ADHDers need to be on medication like Ritalin or Adderall to treat abnormal levels of dopamine in their brain. They view abnormal levels of dopamine in the brain as a a chemical imbalance. Maybe there is such thing as chemical imbalances in the brain, but I believe that chemistry in the brain vary in people without their having a mental disorder. It's possible that personalities that vary in us humans are in synchronicity with brain chemistry that vary in us humans.I did read about matchmaking based on brain chemistry. They seem to think that brain chemistry in people vary with personality types without viewing it as a disorder. Helen Fisher began an exhaustive review of the scientific literature and eventually came to believe that there were four broad biological personality types associated with four specific neurotransmitters and hormones: dopamine, serotonin, testosterone and estrogen. Fisher suspects we are all some combination of these four types, which she has named the explorer (risk-taking, associated with dopamine), the builder (calm, traditional, associated with serotonin), the director (analytical, tough-minded and decisive, associated with testosterone) and the negotiator (emotionally expressive and empathetic, associated with estrogen). Dopamine is said to be the chemical that is found to be abnormal concentration in ADHDers. DRD4 7R gene is a dopamine gene that is connected to novelty-seeking. Therefore, people with the DRD4 7R Gene and/or ADHD fit the Explorer type.

I view ADHD as just a label, and I don't mind it. I mind using the label, Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder. I don't believe that ADHD is a disorder. That's why I prefer the term, Attention Divergent Hyperactivity Difference. That's ADHD from the neurodivergent perspective.

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