posted January 10, 2011 12:48 AM            

He could navigate the waters of the emotional world beautifully with his words that didn't sound overly Shakespearean or trite at all, but he just had.. such a nervous energy to him? He was so hypersensitive to criticism, and could forever notice the smallest detail about a situation years later with the exact precise date. He could look at you with the most shockingly emotional eyes when you would least expect it to be apart of his character, and was very gentle and soft hearted. Genuinely. The sincerity of it never failed to surprise me every time. But just as easily as you could see that side to him - BAM, he could switch off into his goofy (or overly serious) public persona and you'd be left wondering if you saw a mirage or something.

So.. for total curiosities sake, what do you think gives an indication to that in this chart? Do you think that's his real nature, or just a facade?

posted January 10, 2011 02:00 AM            

As for goofiness, the Moon/Venus in Sadge.

Part of what you stated regarding memory is ruled by Cancer, or a strong Moon, if his is conj the Mc then it would be strong, and then he has Jupiter in Cancer for emphasis on that.

posted January 10, 2011 04:16 AM            

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Originally posted by JohnFKennedy:
I'm curious to know what your guys' take on this chart would be. This person is definitely one of the most interesting people I've ever met - charismatic, charming, intelligent, mostly beloved for the surface face he puts out for the world. However, when I got to know him closer (because he wouldn't leave me the hell alone initially and out of nothing better to do, I caved), he was really one of the most tragic figures I've ever had the pleasure (?) to analyze up close and personally.

He could navigate the waters of the emotional world beautifully with his words that didn't sound overly Shakespearean or trite at all, but he just had.. such a nervous energy to him? He was so hypersensitive to criticism, and could forever notice the smallest detail about a situation years later with the exact precise date. He could look at you with the most shockingly emotional eyes when you would least expect it to be apart of his character, and was very gentle and soft hearted. Genuinely. The sincerity of it never failed to surprise me every time. But just as easily as you could see that side to him - BAM, he could switch off into his goofy (or overly serious) public persona and you'd be left wondering if you saw a mirage or something.

So.. for total curiosities sake, what do you think gives an indication to that in this chart? Do you think that's his real nature, or just a facade?

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This is a good short post I can answer, or try.

First thing that I've see is jupiter retrograde in cancer. My brother Dino, and my cousin Dino, go figure, are both jupiter cancerians. Both of them have done really bad in school, but both are extremely gifted.

posted January 10, 2011 04:20 AM            

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Originally posted by roadwarriorsdp:
This is a good short post I can answer, or try.

First thing that I've see is jupiter retrograde in cancer. My brother Dino, and my cousin Dino, go figure, are both jupiter cancerians. Both of them have done really bad in school, but both are extremely gifted.

Also there entire generation has jupiter there, or born that year, I forget how fast jupiter moves, but the point is jupiter is definately exalted in this sign. When I meet these guys or girls, who were born five years after me..so they are adults now..I am immediately drawn to there generous nature. However, this is not a rule, as I've met a few taht probably had jupiter afflecited.

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posted January 10, 2011 04:22 AM            

another astrologer told me this about myself.

He said that my gifts would be appreciated later, but what he really ment was that I would learn to offer my gifts in a more acceptable way.

For this reason he will be slighted alot, as people will undoubtedly think he has it easy...and when he tries to be an individual, they will team up on him. This is north node in teh 12th trust me.

A Squirel hides his nuts dodging hunters.

posted January 10, 2011 04:49 AM            

One more thing that I see is that his neptune is conjunct saturn - in capricorn.

One possible manifesation of this is that his limitations at work, as he percieves them, will affect his dreams, and ideals, or his ideals in a sense will be at odds with his limitations, but inseperable, as in now way around them...This is a man who is very careful about everything he does at work in essence, as it effects his neptunian framework - intuition...

For example, if he may see a new employee as an imediate threat, or not, based on how that employee is percieved as limiting to you.

posted January 10, 2011 04:51 AM            

That explains it all..

I thought uranus conjucnt mercury was hard...

posted January 10, 2011 04:53 AM            

I really do.

posted January 10, 2011 05:58 AM            

With true node in teh 12th house, this person is going to probalby get alot of names put on him...

This is the house of archtypes...

PEople would be devlishly cruel to me, no sob stories here just case en point examples...

I would have nicknames that would stick, and I never nopticed anyone else who did, if they did the nicknames went away..

It's trivial later in life, when the person builds a stomach, but he will be teased alot, or percieve to be cast out from the group, it's part of learning to flow right with the crowd, so to speak.

posted January 10, 2011 05:59 AM            

I call two people Jay Leno.

Jay leno is a small archtype, but an archtype none the less.

A Jay Leno, has a big chin, and he wears a suit, and he acts silly.

So they call person a a jay leno, and he doesn't have a true node there, or maybe it's chiron i'm thinking of, probably, anyways a 12th houser may experience this anyways, if they have there true node there.

Person A will just laugh, and forget about it

Person B may have a true node there with no planets, or he may have a chiron there, something to act as a funnel, and make or direct his energy there. To him this is going to be a great burden. PEople will notice it weaknes him, and he will eventually breakdown and wonder why he can't escape the name/stigma. It could be drug addict, homeless man, etc. These are cruel things to call people. Cruel indeed. They dehumanize....

posted January 10, 2011 02:42 PM            

Lonake - You're so right about the primary water/fire zig zagging in his chart. It's funny how such a simple observation as that can go un-noticed when you're trapped looking at so many details! Missing the forest for the trees, so to speak.

Road - You've hit the nail on the head with soooo many things, what resonated with me the most (and is a huge insight into his character) was that he WAS born with a silver spoon in his mouth! He was the youngest child in a family of extremely wealthy, prominent people. His older sisters went to the most expensive universities in the US (Princeton and Yale). I can actively see him rebelling against that prestige, which you mentioned with the Moon square Uranus natally. Everything you said about NN in the 12th is perfection.

"and this is in conflict with his jupiter, expansion, love, ceres, divine mother, etc....so he is someone who is aware of ethics...he may hold alot back because he feels a tug aware between the machiavalian tricks people pull in the work place or at the carreer, and what he believes in his heart and mind - or soul, to be true."

I really see that pull with him. He was raised by a lot of ruthless, Machavillian people that definitely emotionally starved him. There is innate sensitivity though. But he's been so ingrained with this belief about success from extremely successful people.. that what he beliefs to be Goodness versus what he finds himself doing is totally at odds. I see a lot of nervous energy/hysteria often resulting in his emotions sometimes.

"Was this person blackmailed?"

He was picked on A LOT when he was younger in public school, as well as being the youngest child in his family. You can tell he gets really defensive or hurt when you mention anything long the lines of former nicknames and what not. I also see a lot of rebellion in his appearance, so people won't "mess around with him" anymore and stuff like that. Uranus also transited over his Ascendant about 2 years ago, so that helps explain that..

posted January 14, 2011 02:25 AM            

It is fine to be there for people, but just make sure this guy is not a psychic vampire. If you feel emotionally drained or tired with him be very cautious. You mentioned that he "wouldn't leave you alone". His Sun in the eight(other people's resources) mixed with that psychic Pisces energy(chart ruler neptune sextile the sun in the eighth) I fear might allow him to drain you so he could try to sustain himself if he's drowning in his own negative emotions. It's not wrong to be there for others, just protect yourself.

One the more positive side, with Venus and Moon in Sadge,(strong 10th house too) with South Node in Leo, I think this person despite struggling at all times to try to remain in control of himself would be able to really inspire optimism and hope in others. Backed with the will of Scorpio, should this man make set his mind with a goal in mind, he could be a nearly unstoppable force for good in this world. With nearly limitless energy and potential to tap into to boot. But...he'll have to fight and conquer his own battles first or he'll always be at other less fortunate aspects in his chart's mercy. Blessing or curse...it's up to him.

I also feel that with Saturn in the tenth conjunct his chart ruler Neptune, opposing his Midheaven's ruler in the forth there there may have been a burden to bare at home growing up. There may have been a "baring the world on his shoulders" type feeling for some reason, or pressured to do great things or be successful when he grew up. Saturn or Pluto in the tenth especially when hard aspects are made to it, often can indicate an abusive father or father figure in his life.(mother if the father wasn't around) He might also live with a lot of people(which he might of initially done generously) or had a bunch of people live with him through his life that he felt like he had to take care of.

posted January 23, 2011 11:35 PM            

I don't think he was initially a psychic vampire. When we first became friends and that later turned into a relationship, he was in a really good place in his life and was just this beautiful, flourishing human being. He was so pure, and I found that to be the most refreshing thing. Later, I knew we had to break up because I couldn't make him happy. I wasn't emotionally stable enough to sustain him and give him strength or nourishment, so I had to end it for both of our sakes. Later, he just turned into overall the meanest person - to the point where even his best friends wanted nothing to do with him for a while. So while I see that potential where he can "inspire others" at his best, he just has.. so much psychological warfare to work out within himself. When I came back the second time as his friend.. he was absolutely a psychic vampire. I felt all the happiness and hope drain from my last as I tried to give him the emotional support I couldn't the first time around. It got to the point where I had to salvage my sanity and left for the last time almost two years ago.

Of course who he is at his best is still the fixture in my mind, which is definitely represented by his moon in Sag and the lovely trine to his Sag. venus.

His parents were definitely hard on him. He comes from a background of supreme privilege, so I don't get the impression his parents knew what deep emotional needs he had as a child so long as he was physically very well tended to, which is upsetting when I think about it.

posted January 23, 2011 11:54 PM            

Not sure about similarities in the chart, but my life is rather similar.
I can totally relate to that guy... I hardly ever reveal my "deeper" side and I often wear masks, many of them at that. Probably one of the only similarities between Gemini and Scorpio. But I totally grew up as a spoiled only child, but was over protected and criticized and pushed to be the best. I rebelled but I still feel the pressure of my childhood and it can be difficult to overcome those habits.