posted January 19, 2011 08:53 PM            

Personally, I have Taurus Chiron in my first house , have always felt those classic signs of this combination

* I have always been interested in self discovery since I was a child. I have immense appetite for finding every opportunity to find out more about myself - both good and bad. I find it very exciting to discover especially my deep-seated behavioral patterns because they brings out the creative child in me to transform any negative patterns into more positive aspects. I have this psychotic tendency to analyze the cause and effect of every important event that happens in my life.I place a lot of emphasis on symbolism and synchronicity as well.

* I always find that my friends and my cousins approach me all the time like as if I am some kind of a therapy counsellor. However, I never felt having any of those classic traits because I can be blunt and abrupt in the way I try to encourage them, cos' I never sugar-coat any situation to anyone. But this doesn't seem to bother my friends at all. I am not sure whether this is because of my practical-minded Virgo personality or whether I really play that 'wounded healer's role in my own life. They do tell me that every time they chat with me, their batteries get energized and recharged, so to speak and it really helps them to shun their old thinking patterns.This gives me a lot of personal happiness and in return unconsciously forces me to be more responsible towards my friends and the community in general.

* I love the idea of being of some help to anyone who approaches me; ok, this may sound weird but...so much so that I sometimes feel like approaching a stranger from whom I may sense helplessness and anxiety. I want to go to them and somehow convince them that life is not that tough, after all and that there are ways to get out of any damned situation.

* I also get restless when I read some of those messages that are posted here in a very helpless tone. When it comes to seeking some psychological counselling, my friends usually somehow see that counselor in me.I never consciously noticed these kinds of patterns until I started learning (using loosely) Astrology.

*Chiron in my love life: I have also observed that these chirotic patterns have also spread into my love and relationship areas.I won't bore you with specific details but it is suffice to say that through my own life experiences with my partners or love interests (whatever you may wanna call them), I have discovered within me that I have never ever broken up with anyone of them on bad note, no matter how good or bad my experiences with them were. Both subconsciously and conscious these days, I try to see them in a different positive light. As a matter of fact, I genuine thank them for being the catalysts for my spiritual expansion and growth. This is why I take my relationships very seriously and I find it very hard to misuse my youth for silly and frivolous reasons.

* I have a strong hunch that the guys that I tend to attract into my life (irrespective of whether they are good or bad; and doesn't matter whether they are with me for a day or for life time), I have observed some interesting patterns.

1) They are either younger to me or older than may by a huge gap.
2) Very strangely I see a student/teacher theme in these relations.
3) There is a constant urge to either learn and expand from their experiences and wisdom, or a conscious yearning to bring about a positive change in their lives through my own knowledge and understanding.
4) Even more interestingly enough, all of them so far, without exception have been capricorns.
5) I have Saturn in my 5th house with Capricorn spanning across my 10th house.

Is this a Chiron affect or is it more of my Virgo personality? Any Chiron experts here? Irrespective of that, feel free to share your ideas.

And here is my chart...

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posted January 19, 2011 09:08 PM            

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Originally posted by VenusDiSirius:
I have it in 9th H;I have been told that is the best placement for chiron.
Don't know really;
Chiron tells so much... Working with some already cooked explanations about chiron i menaged to always find correlation. But,it's easy to read into.
I wish i worked on it bit harder...

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posted January 19, 2011 09:10 PM            

I also have Chiron in the 1st (but in Aries)
Actually my Chiron is exactly on your ASC...

1) They are either younger to me or older than may by a huge gap.

Yes.. Usually around 6 years either way.

2) Very strangely I see a student/teacher theme in these relations.
Yes// Plus Chiron aspects and Im ALWAYS the chiron person, rarely do I touch anyone elses Chiron.

3) There is a constant urge to either learn and expand from their experiences and wisdom, or a conscious yearning to bring about a positive change in their lives through my own knowledge and understanding.
Yes.. but it has worked both ways.. I find its a learning experience both ways..

4) Even more interestingly enough, all of them so far, without exception have been capricorns.
No... Mine are usually Water I have Cancer in the 5th..

5) I have Saturn in my 5th house with Capricorn spanning across my 10th house.

Moon is in the 6th house of Duty/Service, along with sun,mer and mars

Also I had to have a difficult life, before I could ge tin touch with my chiron

posted January 19, 2011 09:13 PM            

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In the ninth house, it may indicate some crisis to do with spiritual teaching. A strong belief of one sort or another that must be channeled correctly to give the right balance. Being the eternal student should be enjoyable, not stressful, so take time to relax. You could be a very good teacher, if your extreme opinions are modified.

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posted January 19, 2011 09:29 PM            

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I also have Chiron in the 1st (but in Aries)
Actually my Chiron is exactly on your ASC...

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You know I have heard somewhere (more so in the context of Chiron) the usage of the quote "When the student is ready, the teacher appears". Who knows you could be my teacher. As a matter of fact, the very idea of me approaching an astrologer for example is like approaching the "wounded healer" - Chiron. Isn't that interesting?

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Yes.. but it has worked both ways.. I find its a learning experience both ways..

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Agreed 100%. I am not saying it is one way. Although, Chiron in first house implies we are usually more the teachers than the students.

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Another think I notice, I always seem to be a witness to accidents.. I have seen some of the wildest accidents.. I just "happen" to be looking right at the spot, when it happens.. Im usually the person to call 911..

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My god! That's must be traumatic for your heart. Does it happen often or was it a random one off incident?

posted January 19, 2011 09:39 PM            

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Originally posted by VenusDiSirius:
Btw,ur mercury sq neptune... Is it hard to handle??

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I am sure you want that; indeed you have that potential cos' you somehow give off that vibe to be although I haven't known you much.

Mercury Square Neptune:

In my charting software it says the following...

You find talk of the other world, and mysticism in general, to be a real hassle. You struggle to keep this and any spiritual material at bay and, like your mind, down-to-earth and quite conventional. It may be hard for you to think about spiritual matters, much less express them in words or thoughts. You like your dreams neat and are troubled when thoughts of other lives and what-not intrude. You would rather not talk about it.

posted January 19, 2011 09:59 PM            

100% True in my case

* Bored with anything dull, routine, or lifeless, you often dramatize or connect higher meaning to ordinary events and situations.

* You are often vague in your communications, purposefully or not, as you resist being pinned down to any one opinion or stance. This is partly due to your ability to see so many different points of view and perspectives.

* Logical, detail-oriented work and studies are not designed for your way of thinking and learning. Creative presentations, ripe with images and imagery, are what grab your attention and interest.

* Planning ahead is not a preference, as you prefer to move along running on the fuel of inspiration and intuition.

* Your mind is highly imaginative and creative and you possess dramatic, artistic, or musical abilities. (possible)

* As a child, you enjoyed daydreaming, fantasizing, pretending, and probably lived in "your own little world" a good deal. (I still do)

* You perceive things which are not obvious to other people and you have an uncanny ability to "read" people and situations without being told anything about them. However, you must learn to discriminate between a true psychic perception and your imagination. (spot on)

* Communication with others is difficult for you because you often find words frustrating and inadequate to express your experiences and perceptions.

False to a large extent

* You might have problems concentrating because your mind is often wandering. True while meditating but not when I am actually working

* Your style of communication, or possibly thinking, is often self-defeating, and you should consciously avoid a tendency to give up on projects or plans before they even get off the ground.

* You may be deliberately vague or unintentionally so, depending on your nature.

* Also, you may purposefully mystify or deceive others.( I don' think so damn it...lol)

May be; I don't know consciously

* Stretching the truth, whether done consciously or not (or a bit of both), is associated with this position.

* Your thinking is exceptionally imaginative, intuitive, and creative.

* Your style of communication may be unusual, perhaps with many pauses or digressions.

* Some of you are great story tellers.

posted January 19, 2011 10:10 PM            

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I am sure you want that; indeed you have that potential cos' you somehow give off that vibe to be although I haven't known you much.

[b] Mercury Square Neptune:

In my charting software it says the following...

You find talk of the other world, and mysticism in general, to be a real hassle. You struggle to keep this and any spiritual material at bay and, like your mind, down-to-earth and quite conventional. It may be hard for you to think about spiritual matters, much less express them in words or thoughts. You like your dreams neat and are troubled when thoughts of other lives and what-not intrude. You would rather not talk about it.

Although I have only 2 degree of orb here, yet none of this is true in my case. I don't have an answer as to why it is not the case. Any thoughts?[/B]

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Is that from the Matrix software?
It seems like it.

I am not crazy about those report interpretations

the main thing about Mercury square Neptune is that the mind,thought,communications are in friction,conflict with inspiration,imagination,idealism

it would indicate an imaginative,idealistic mind that thinks in pictures and strongly visualizes

confusion,illusion,deception,and addiction are potential pitfalls to avoid

creativity,art,compassion,and spirituality are good activities for the aspect

there can be a highly sensitive nervous systems

there can be a high sensitivity to drugs,medication

there also can be a tendency to be misdiagnosed

In Medical Astrology, hard Neptune aspects can indicate potential to be misdiagnosed because of the illusive,deceptive nature of Neptune

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No..I am not a Virgo.

posted January 19, 2011 10:16 PM            

How the aspect works depends on what else is going on in the chart and what a person does.

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No..I am not a Virgo.

posted January 19, 2011 10:36 PM            

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Is that from the Matrix software? It seems like it. I am not crazy about those report interpretations

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the main thing about Mercury square Neptune is that the mind,thought,communications are in friction,conflict with inspiration,imagination,idealism

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Couldn't agree more

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it would indicate an imaginative,idealistic mind that thinks in pictures and strongly visualizes

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Agree 100% on every word you said there. I also get fussy about the way I present my thoughts and ideas. wow!!

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confusion,illusion,deception,and addiction are potential pitfalls to avoid

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No additions so far, thank god! Possibly got deceived in matters of love; Used to be more confused and had been a victim of some illusions in the past but not anymore to that level; I think I have started to consciously be more aware of my own actions and thoughts and I must say, I have gotten the handle of it.

Channeling Neptune energy in a positive way is bit challenging as you all know. Sometimes, we have to fall down and learn one or two lessons before we can realize or understand something....haha

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there can be a highly sensitive nervous systems

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there can be a high sensitivity to drugs,medication

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1000% true in my case.Nothing other than other natural medications like Homeopathy or Ayurveda suits my constitution. I once by mistake too a histamine tablet for some cold and within an hour the ambulance guys came and threw me in a hospital. haha

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there also can be a tendency to be misdiagnosed

In Medical Astrology, hard Neptune aspects can indicate potential to be misdiagnosed because of the illusive,deceptive nature of Neptune

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posted January 19, 2011 10:44 PM            

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Originally posted by VenusDiSirius:
In your case,maybe u r saved by mercury's domicile strenght;and 3rd H mars: it doesn't put up with any kind of BS

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If you say so; cos' I have no clue with these aspects

Although I do agree that I personally do not tolerate BS in a non-astro speak

posted January 19, 2011 10:51 PM            

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Originally posted by lindaGreg:
Hey Lioness,
Thanks! I am glad you enjoyed reading it

My god! That's must be traumatic for your heart. Does it happen often or was it a random one off incident?

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I have witnessed (let me count)
1. a man on a phone booth get hit by a car
both legs were broken, with the bones sticking out..
2. a car accident, the car flipped 3x in the air, at first I thought it was a movie stunt
3. A car go across 5 lines of the fwy and just hit the wall, (on the side of the car)
Just drifted to the wall.
4. A car in front of me just loose control and spin about 3x until he hit a wall.
5. witness to a car jacking
6. Kids (that I did not know) knocked on my door, asking for help.
Thats all I can think of right now...
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I dont see myself as a teacher.. All my connection we learn from each other, and I really do change with each and every connection. (maybe my pluto in the 7th) We both teach each other things... I learn so much about my self.. Some how they just change in the process.. not saying everything is always good, though... I have Sag on the MC, keeps saying Im a good teacher, yet I dont see myself that way at all...

I really had a traumatic childhood. When I meet people, I can just understand what they are going through, and through it we grow together, healing both our wounds.. I have very deep connections..

Keep (or look back) an eye on what Chiron is doing in synsatry.. I think your chiron connections are important..

Here are my Chiron Aspects I have (only good ones aspects)

posted January 19, 2011 11:51 PM            

I have a Libra MC, Venus is in the 7th and Chiron is also in the 7th H widely conjunct Venus (8 degree orb).

posted January 20, 2011 12:30 AM            

You have some really interesting theme going on there missy!! How do you cope with all that stuff? That is a huge deal that happened there; undoubtedly by Mr.Chiron

Yes, I did see a lot of chiron aspects in all my love interests. Interestingly enough, even I have some really difficult aspects in my own chart, leave alone the synastry;

My Chiron-specific aspects are...

Positive Aspects

* Sun (Leo 5th) Trine Chiron (orb of 3 deg)
* Midheaven (Capricorn 10th) trine Chiron (wider orb 7)
* Jupiter (Cancer 3rd) sextile Chiron (orb of 3 deg)

Negative Aspects... (no wonder it affects my relations)

* Uranus (Scorpio 7th) opposite Chiron (orb of 3 deg)

Old Link: http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/019506.html

* Venus (Leo 4th) square Chiron (exact)

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posted January 20, 2011 12:46 AM            

Our charts are some what similar..

I also have Uranus in the 7th, so yes relationships (not always romantic relationships) can come and go quickly.. But I also think thats chiron saying time to move on to the next...
This use to really bother me.. people that I get really attached to just go away so quickly after a bond.. But now I understand, the purpose of the friendship was taken care of, and now its time, to move forward... I also feel that these are karmic connections, myabe I owe them something (like peace of mind) and once that is established that friendship dies down... But while the friendship is going on, I am completely obsessed with speaking to them.. I HAVE HAVe to talk to them, and I will give up going out, or doing anything to talk to them.... Now when they go away, I have to take a break, and disconnect myself from people until I can refresh.. It really does take alot out of me... Then after that Im ready

posted January 22, 2011 01:34 AM            

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I also have Uranus in the 7th, so yes relationships (not always romantic relationships) can come and go quickly.. But I also think thats chiron saying time to move on to the next...

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Do you also have any aspect between Uranus and Chiron like I have?

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This use to really bother me.. people that I get really attached to just go away so quickly after a bond.. But now I understand, the purpose of the friendship was taken care of, and now its time, to move forward... I also feel that these are karmic connections, myabe I owe them something (like peace of mind) and once that is established that friendship dies down... But while the friendship is going on, I am completely obsessed with speaking to them.. I HAVE HAVe to talk to them, and I will give up going out, or doing anything to talk to them.... Now when they go away, I have to take a break, and disconnect myself from people until I can refresh.. It really does take alot out of me... Then after that Im ready

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posted January 22, 2011 01:35 AM            

1) This type of person is the one who can say things like: "Be for peace, or I'll kill you!". The tendency is to love people in the abstract, but not in the flesh. (hahaha that is sooooo me)

2) They love the ideal of brotherhood and sisterhood of all people. It's relating to actual, live, real human beings that turns them off. (exactly!!!)

3) This is because relating requires them to show some feelings, a concept they find alien and icky.

4) But feelings and emotions are exactly what have to be worked on here.

5) The Chiron/Uranus individual may produce brilliant works of genius while all the time feeling stupid.

6) More often, they will come up with off the wall ideas that they claim are works of genius.

7) Chiron/Uranus people may be completely "Uranian," constantly mouthing shocking opinions, or they may go to the opposite extreme and be against anything that is new in any way. If they manage to keep themselves grounded, in contact with reality and their own emotions, their true genius can flow freely.

8) The wounded healer clashes with the forward thinking rebel who is a proponent of change.

9) You may experience wounding that has to do with issues of the devastation wrought by modern technology or with illnesses that effect the nervous system, meridians, or subtle electro-magnetic energy fields of the human body.

10) Iridology, reiki, acupuncture, and cranio-sacral therapy are some examples of the kinds of subtle-energy healing techniques that may be part of your wounding/healing journey. (yes, I am a very good Reiki Healer)

11) There may be a wound having to do with an extreme sensitivity to the collective unconscious of humanity and the ideals or thought forms that affect it. This can cause you to be swept away by the tides of social, political, or esoteric movements that promise freedom from certain types of restrictions but often just usher in a new form of enslavement.

12) There may be an attitude of indiscriminate rebellion that leads to a perception of all forms of authority as a threat to freedom. ( so true)

13) This results in a resistance to the voice of one's own inner authority, and mistaking its promptings towards inner change and growth (which could be painful) for demands for conformity.

14) If this inner voice is betrayed, then you ironically do end up selling out and joining the ranks of the order of the day, new and exciting as they may be.

15) Through dealing with the pain caused by these experiences, you come to learn on a profound level that the only change that leads to freedom is a deep internal change involving one's own thought patterns , for they are the root of the behavioral and emotional habits that unnecessarily limit you. (this is exactly what I am working on right now)

16) The challenge is to learn to see that both the need for healing and the need for freedom exist within you, and that not only are they not mutually exclusive, the one need cannot be met without fulfilling the other! It's up to you to resolve this paradox. Your ability to do this may enable you to serve as a healer/mentor to others who struggle with similar issues.

17)You experience the full power of the Uranian energies, almost as a force seeking expression, making you appear driven, as well as an indefatigable seeker of the truth.

18) You give your total commitment to your beliefs and seek out the meaning of things with a vengeance.

19) Mundane ordinary work is not for you, there is an almost desperate quality about your search for transformation and you are only truly happy when engaged on this quest.

20) Seeking consciousness expansion through drugs can prove addictive and counter productive, as you seek to manipulate reality.

21) You were born in dramatic times and
seek dramatic answers.

posted January 22, 2011 01:47 AM            

Natal Chiron Aspects

22) With Chiron-opposition-Uranus, Uranus shines a light - a challenge, in a sense - upon our Wounds, blockages and unresolved issues.By illuminating these, we are given the ultimate opportunity to deal with the Wounds and issues as they come to the fore. (yes!!!!! fantastic!!)

23) This aspect is perhaps the most active of the Chiron/Uranus aspects barring the conjunction.

24) The opposition causes us to run in the opposite direction to our Woundedness.In doing so, we run into Uranus, who then proceeds to show us the higher view of that from which we were running. When Uranus' Truth and its bigger Picture become too difficult to handle, challenging us beyond our current capacity, we run again, back into our Woundedness, back to Chiron. (story of my life)

25) Here, due to Uranus' light shining on the Wounds, we find new material to work with, adding to our overall understanding.When what we find there again becomes too Painful, again we run, again bumping into Uranus.So it goes on, in a tic-tocking journey of Healing and evolution of consciousness.

26) If we are not able to deal with the Wounds and Pain that come up and we are not able to deal with the greater Truth that Uranus offers, then we are stuck in a kind of nightmare of constant running.In this case we tend to try to do anything to 'blank out'.We attempt this by using alcohol, drugs, sleep, work, music and all other types of 'escapism' to avoid the Wounds, blockages and unresolved issues.If we try this for too long, however, it will inevitably be reflected in our bodies through illness, disease and general unwellness.

27) This all-or-nothing kind of psychology is the very reason why Chiron-opposition-Uranus (and Chiron-opposition-Pluto) is an aspect that confers Healing ability and/or focus in our lives.We cannot avoid it; we cannot run away from it; it follows us wherever we try to go.

28) This is why the generations of people born between 1952 and 1989 have altered the consciousness of the planet via the Healing modalities (taken in their broadest sense).The mid-1960s represented the fulcrum point.The late 1970s represented the culmination.The 1990s represented the peak, particularly as this time encompasses not only Chiron's perihelion and perigee, but also Chiron's own half-return.This psychology, combined with the sheer number of oppositions Chiron and Uranus made during this time, is one of the major contributors to the discovery of Chiron, as we have already seen.

29) Due to the vast number of people with this aspect, we will offer only a few examples.It is important to point out that there are not so many famous people with this aspect, a point that fails to support our assertion that the aspect is associated with the Healing and new-age movements.However, if we consider that 1) the aspect itself does not confer fame or notoriety, 2) the Healing and new-age movements were not about fame and notoriety - they were about inner Healing - and 3) the bulk of Healers and new-age facilitators were part of a grass-roots phenomenon, then we can understand the deficit of noted persons that follows.I can show hundreds of charts supporting the connection, but most are for people of whom no one has heard.

30) Noted people with this aspect include Ji Maharaj (Indian guru who made the 'big time' in the US from 1972 onwards), Nick Campion (British astrologer), Annie Lennox, Bill Gates, Carrie Fisher, Denzel Washington, James Ingram, Shannen Doherty, David the Bubble-Boy (rare disorder of immune deficiency) and Bo Derek.

31) It is interesting that an unusual number of athletes possess this aspect.Perhaps they are literally trying to run away from their Wounds, blockages and unresolved issues.This may sound implausible.However, consider that 1) our outer activities mirror our inner state and that 2) one of the means we use to avoid having to sit down and think deeply about our issues is to stay busy and physically active all the time.I know many people like this and can see this tendency in myself.

posted January 22, 2011 01:48 AM            

They were opposite each other for like 40 years.. Something like that..

posted January 22, 2011 01:57 AM            

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Chiron opps Uranus is more generational.

They were opposite each other for like 40 years.. Something like that..

Yes I have Chrion opps Uranus

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Understand, but I feel so odd and strange because this aspect in particular has impacted me in such a way that no other aspects have impacted me so far. Does this mean our entire generation is doomed?

posted January 22, 2011 11:33 PM            

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Originally posted by Lioness:
LOL... For me I think Urnaus brings things "all of a sudden"

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