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Choc
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posted January 25, 2011 06:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Choc     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Okay.. so I am adopted. The problem is, there's no official time of birth in my birth certificate and my mom isn't entirely sure of it either [if I wanted to look deeper into it, I would have to contact the hospital where I was born and honestly, it's a bit of a hassle].
Initially, my mom had claimed I was born somewhere between morning and noon, anything before 2 pm.
So far I was content with having being born around 11.30 am which would give me a Virgo rising [it felt quite alright] but now she's changed her mind again [I am a morning baby now] and I can't help but being a bit perplexed at the moment..

With a pre-4 am birth, I get a Gemini Moon and most likely, a Taurus asc.
With a 7 am birth, a Leo asc.
With a 10-12 am birth, a Virgo asc.
There's also the chance of an insane Sun/Moon/Asc in Cancer

Sooooooooooooo... what do I look like/what do you reckon?

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Lonake
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posted January 25, 2011 11:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lonake     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have to say Leo

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posted January 25, 2011 11:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for blonderiverkat     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A very pretty young woman you are...if I hadn't known your Sun sign would definitely have guessed Cancer! lol My sons Cancer is at 23 degrees...his bday is the 15th, 16th Universal time...


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posted January 26, 2011 12:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for VenusDiSirius     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think it's safe to say u aren't cancer asc. Last pic,leo asc,and may I add,u r just lovely,as for the rest,gem asc,playfully direct,very airy. Where would ur sun be with leo/gem asc? Start with that,it hardly fails.
U remind me of my virgo asc,merc in 1st h friend,same cheekbones,skin tone,photogenic. But attitude? Not even close! She is very shy..

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posted January 26, 2011 12:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for VenusDiSirius     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think it's safe to say u aren't cancer asc. Last pic,leo asc,and may I add,u r just lovely,as for the rest,gem asc,playfully direct,very airy. Where would ur sun be with leo/gem asc? Start with that,it hardly fails.
U remind me of my virgo asc,merc in 1st h friend,same cheekbones,skin tone,photogenic. But attitude? Not even close! She is very shy..

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posted January 26, 2011 12:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for NickiG     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
you freakishly look a lot like someone i went to high school with

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posted January 26, 2011 12:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for blugrey     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I say Taurus. Like me, you have baby cow eyes! haha. If not that, then Cancer possibly.

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posted January 26, 2011 12:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for VenusDiSirius     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Now I saw ur birth yr,'85! I thought u were teenager! Anyway that' both virgo,and gem thing,youthfullness. But,3rd H saturn? Works? I think this particular position can be overshadowed,especially since u have gem merc. But,4th h neptune is strong,u r adopted.

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posted January 26, 2011 12:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for coconutcancermoon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You are beautiful.

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posted January 26, 2011 01:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

shrugs

planetary aspects to the ascendant will modify the ascendant and can play a big factor in appearance

some believe that the Sun,Moon also might be involved in appearance too

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posted January 26, 2011 02:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lonake     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm dead set on it being Leo.
My facial structure incl cheekbones, I'm talking the hard lines of the structure, perimeter, is exactly the same, I'm leo rising.

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Choc
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posted January 26, 2011 06:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Choc     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
With a Leo asc, I am Cancer Sun/Moon.
With a Gem. asc, a very late Gem Moon/early Cancer Moon.
Taurus asc would kinda explain my attraction to Scorpionic ppl BUT so do my wide hard aspects to Sun/Mars, or so I think.

The thing is, I am hardly showy.. I am rather reserved and self-aware.. I am always told I look about 5 years younger.

Not to mention I attract a lot of Neptunian types, as well as Saturn [7th H ruler in Cap?] and Mars fellas [8th H?]. I've got a strong intuition and I only fully open up to certain people that make me feel comfortable from the get go.

What is a 3rd H Saturn supposed to be? I always interpreted as being too aware of my poor communicative skills, even though I have improved ever since I started my own business.

Edit: I am also my own worst enemy.. I can be quite critical of others, picky, love gossip and I can give great advice - that I never follow myself, aren't these Virgo traits? :P

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posted January 26, 2011 07:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for dysfunctionalmystic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm no good with features and ascendants but;

neptune around the IC would indicate confusion around the roots of your past

moon/chiron is rejection and abandonment issues, I'd put chiron closer to the moon and see what happens with the rest of the chart,

significant events of your life should show up on the angles when you have a close enough time

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posted January 26, 2011 07:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for dysfunctionalmystic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
looking again the moon will only go back 6 degrees max...but there's a fairly tight opposition with neptune/moon,

your moon may be slightly out...it could be at 1 degree cancer?

I've noticed that I often reply to posts where my own chart has aspects to the person posting...I've got saturn at 1 degree cancer...

does anyone else responding have synastry with the OP? might help to narrow things down?

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posted January 26, 2011 11:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I wonder how transneptunians would affect the houses
if the transneptuanians have to do with the unknown for they orbit beyond Neptune,the dissolution.

maybe a transneptunian in the 4th house could be unknown heritage or heritage that is in the dark
maybe in the 10th, it could be the unknown father

a transneptunian in the 1st, or conjunct the ascendant could be the unknown self, and it could be connected to the background, especially if there is connection to the Midheaven/Imum Coeli axis


in the 1st chart that you have been using
you have transneptunian dwarf planet Haumea in 21'40 Virgo in 12th conjunct/oppose the Ascendant/Descendant axis square the Midheaven/Imum Coeli. I have the same house placement and aspects like you do in your chart.
With my not knowing my father's side of the family, and my mom not knowing her mom's side of the family, I know very little about family heritage.

Haumea is not an object to overlook either. As a classified dwarf planet, it is the equal of Pluto,Eris,Makemake,and Ceres which are also dwarf planets.
Haumea was named after the Hawaiian Creation Fertility Goddess.

Here is a listing of the transneptunian dwarf planets/candidates besides Eris and Pluto that are already listed in your chart as well as Haumea which I already went over


Makemake in 29'08 Leo

Ixion in 17'37 Scorpio R

Quaoar in 17'50 Scorpio R

Orcus in 5'38 Leo

Varuna in 21'11 Gemini

Sedna in 9'02 Taurus


any of the transneptunian dwarf planet/candidates could give an "unknown" nature as well as evolutionary intensification to whatever the house it is in


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posted January 26, 2011 11:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Choc:
With a Leo asc, I am Cancer Sun/Moon.
With a Gem. asc, a very late Gem Moon/early Cancer Moon.
Taurus asc would kinda explain my attraction to Scorpionic ppl BUT so do my wide hard aspects to Sun/Mars, or so I think.

The thing is, I am hardly showy.. I am rather reserved and self-aware.. I am always told I look about 5 years younger.

Not to mention I attract a lot of Neptunian types, as well as Saturn [7th H ruler in Cap?] and Mars fellas [8th H?]. I've got a strong intuition and I only fully open up to certain people that make me feel comfortable from the get go.

What is a 3rd H Saturn supposed to be? I always interpreted as being too aware of my poor communicative skills, even though I have improved ever since I started my own business.

Edit: I am also my own worst enemy.. I can be quite critical of others, picky, love gossip and I can give great advice - that I never follow myself, aren't these Virgo traits? :P



My mom is like that
She has Sun in Gemini, Moon in Scorpio,and Ascendant/Descendant in Cancer/Capricorn.
Her Midheaven/Imum Coeli axis is in Pisces/Virgo.

Her Ascendant/Descendant axis strongly modified by the transneptunian dwarf planet candidate Orcus in Cancer in her 1st and conjunct/oppose her Ascendant/Descendant axis with only 10 minutes of arc. She does have an intense look about her,and she can be intense with others. She has been in intense relationships.

She never knew her mother nor that side of the family. It's possible that the Orcus conjunct Ascendant in Cancer could indicate that.
She has Neptune sesquiquadrate/semisquare the Midheaven/Imum Coeli axis, and that could indicate confusion about one's background.
It's also possible that her Moon in Scorpio could indicate the unknown mother too. The Moon is located in late 18 degrees Scorpio. It's in the accursed 19 degree. It is also conjunct the heliocentric South Mars Node.

Her 4th house ruler, Mercury is conjunct the South Lunar Node which is said to be a point of release. It could indicate the release of the mother.

Interestingly
Her Midheaven is in the sign of her father's moonsign,Pisces. Her Imum Coeli is in the sign of her mother's moonsign,Virgo.

She does have a transneptunian dwarf planet Quaoar retrograde in her 4th house.
That would give an "unknown" nature and evolutionary intensification to her heritage and involving her mother.

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posted January 26, 2011 11:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by blugrey:
I say Taurus. Like me, you have baby cow eyes! haha. If not that, then Cancer possibly.

If her Ascendant is in Taurus

depending on the degree,
it could be in major aspect to any of the following transneptunian dwarf planet/candidates

conjunct her Sedna in 9'02 Taurus
OR
oppose her Pluto in 1'55 Scorpio
OR
oppose her Ixion in 17'37 Scorpio R and Quaoar in 17'50 Scorpio R
OR
trine her Haumea in 21'40 Virgo
OR
square her Orcus in 5'38 Leo
OR
square her Makemake in 29'08 Leo


BTW
When I first got into Astrology,
Taurus Ascendant was the ascendant that I suspected my mom of having.
There is strong Venusian quality about her. My mother even was a cosmetologist. She has Venus in 2nd which is strong placement for Venus because it's in the house that it rules. Her Venus does have numerous aspects.

She looks like her mother who had Taurus Ascendant which trines her Moon which gives affinity to my Mom's Cancer Ascendant.

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posted January 26, 2011 12:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

With the close Sun conjunct Mars that you have, I wonder if you work out/exercise, do you do a lot of physical activity? If so, that would lead to being lean. That would greatly factor into physical appearance.

I find it interesting, the Sun-Mars sextile/trine your Ascendant/Descendant axis in your original chart.

Even without an aspect to the Ascendant/Descendant axis, I'd think that you're Sun-Mars conjunction would factor into your appearance due to physical activity.

also in both Cosmobiology and Uranian Astrology, Sun is associated with the physical body. In those systems, the Sun conjunct Mars could indicate a lean type of body. The Ascendant is associated with relationships and the environment in Cosmobiology and Uranian Astrology.
The Midheaven is associated with the aim in life and individual self in Cosmobiology and Uranian Astrology. They do rectification by looking at events to mainly the Midheaven.

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posted January 27, 2011 01:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lonake     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I would put your chart in Leo, with the Sun (chart ruler) in the 12th.

I'm reserved too, not all Leos are showy
My chart ruler is in the 8th (Sun) in water.

Your Sun is in aspect to Mars and Saturn and Pluto explaining the fellas you are attracted to/attract.

You have Mercury sq Saturn which accounts for the critic aspect, etc. very picky, like you said.

Can you describe your Mom?

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Choc
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posted January 28, 2011 10:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Choc     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Leo asc and transneptunians http://i55.tinypic.com/34h8in7.gif

Early Virgo asc and transneptunians http://i56.tinypic.com/2l8ffcg.gif

Current Virgo asc and transneptunians http://i54.tinypic.com/2meb8cw.gif

Gemini asc and transneptunians http://i54.tinypic.com/4sb72x.gif

Taurus asc, Gemini Moon and transneptunians http://i51.tinypic.com/2wn7ndf.gif


Leo risings.. what are they usually like?

Describe my mom? Which one? If you mean the one that brought me into this world, I have no idea - and I don't really care to be honest.

My mom is an Aqua Sun, Sco Moon & asc lady. She's patient, intense, highly competitive and fiercely independent. Quite a fixed character, doesn't take no for an answer. Way too suspicious of other people's motives. She was a heartbreaker in her youth.
Her moods can change from one moment to another and ehemm.. whines a lot.

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posted January 28, 2011 10:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for littlecloud     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Neptune in the 4th is definitely an indicator of adoption. I'm thinking either neptune or uranus close to the IC.

BTW- Jupiter in 5th= baby making machine. I'd be careful if I were you.

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Choc
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posted January 28, 2011 07:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Choc     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^ That scared me and made me giggle at the same time


BTW, I am so not the athletic type and I don't do sports. I wouldn't call myself lean, I'm rather curvy.

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posted January 28, 2011 08:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for littlecloud     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Maybe a early Libra asc then. I don't know too many Libra asc so don't take my word for that..

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Choc
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posted February 02, 2011 09:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Choc     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Bump?

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Lonake
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posted February 02, 2011 05:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lonake     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I was adopted and I don't have Neptune in the 4th,
What I do have is a strong Pluto, plus Pluto conj Ic, which is a factor in adoption, Pluto/ic, scorp moon, Pluto/moon.

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