posted January 29, 2011 08:15 PM            

Now if your biological Mom wasn't in your life, then maybe it was your adoptive Mom, your step-mother, your Grandmother if you were close to her, maybe even Aunts.

Describe if your Venus influence correlates to what these women taught you about what a woman is.

Maybe you're like me and your maternal influences come through in different ways, for example my Mom exemplified my Venus in the 6th square Saturn with her 2 hr daily beauty routines, and strict adherence to grooming (going to the salon so much that she never needed to wash her hair at home). Me, after having been dragged to salons my whole childhood, I now refuse to let anyone else cut my hair, I do it all at home, and take about 15 mins getting ready, (Venus rules our vanity and has something to say over how we choose to enhance). So I take that Venus in the 6th square Saturn, and am about a spartan but a smart routine, using few high quality products and being strict about only washing in cold water, for example, 6th house is a Virgo house which would make it a natural approach. BTW, my Mom, the salon hound, had Virgo ASC.

I want to explore this idea since a lot of interpretations point to Venus symbolizing this area of our life, and if our Venus's are running amok, it's likely that these women transferred some of their dysfunction our way, so it's important I feel to learn what is yours and what is legitimately *theirs.*

If she had her own insecurities or inadequacies, do you see them in the Venus in your chart?

If you don't want to share about your Venus then just ponder on what I brought up here and see if any lights go off.

What Venus rules
-relating to others
-beautification
-self worth
-female sexuality
-the mistress, the girlfriend, the geisha girl (Moon is the wife, the mother, boohoo, the one that ties you down)

There are also 2 other Venus threads going on, to give you something to think about:
---Venus/Neptune: the mother figure wanting an idealized romance, the fantasy always better than the reality if it's a hard aspect, if it's doing well in the chart then Mom knew that fantasy can be realized and incorporated easily.
---Venus/Pluto: the mother figure competing with the daughter to win affection, making her feel insecure about her burgeoning sexuality because the mother knows that she is losing her appeal, more so with the hard aspects, think of Snow White, the trine the mother celebrating her sexuality and that of her daughter.

posted January 29, 2011 09:29 PM            

I have a t-square with Venus/Pluto/Jupiter.

posted January 30, 2011 03:49 AM            

I guess my mother taught me that you have to keep trying at things, she was strict but there is a mutual respect and trust thing that we have that I never had with my father.

I also inherited my mother's libra moon love of good quality clothes, food and other stuff.

She also has Gem rising so Venus in the third is accurate as I LOVE to talk.

As for role models, well my mum is my role model as far as females goes. All my other role models were male. (Funny given my mum is a Pluto/Sun(vir) and Mars/ASC(gem) and I'm Scorpio ASC and Mars(cap) sextile Pluto (sco) but I have a strong Saturn, which she doesn't have).

I'm on a journey to discover my Venus. I usually joke that I don't have one or that my Saturn ate it. I have Venus conjunct Dejanira which is pretty horrible. I find hard to relate with others. I also tend to feel ugly and worthless a lot. But that's Dejanira, not Venus doing the talking.

posted January 30, 2011 04:14 AM            

hhhmmm not sure how this has affected me yet..

my mother is very creative and artistic and so am i, she left when i was young though, and is flighty and socially oriented and i was far from priority.. she is a gem cusp and i am a 12th house gem moon, trine libra saturn in 4th conjuncting my father's sun, also conj jupiter, was brought up by my father and scorpio grandmother.. stepmothers were also aquarius and gemini.. there is such a mix i can attribute so much to so many people, learning their habits for good or ill, and learning what not to do and what i can and can't tolerate.. i learned to become emotionally self reliant early

posted January 30, 2011 12:48 PM            

My mother's a Virgo Sun/ Aqua Moon/Scorpio Venus with lots of friends...I dunno. This is getting random.

I only see how my mother has tried to push independence and success onto me from a very early age: knowledge. She bought me lots of books, wanted us to do well in school, etc. I guess I get all that intellectualizing from her.

She worked a good job and manages to have time to be a good cook and baker...which is nice for us. haha

We only really clashed in my mid teen years, when I wanted to do my own thing, keep a boyfriend, and she just didn't get that. She comes from a more old school traditional culture, so it was bound to cause problems. She shook her head at how trend-obessed I was then, now she just shakes her head at how strange I dress. I can't win!

posted January 30, 2011 01:14 PM            

Venus's ruler Jupiter on my MC.

posted January 30, 2011 03:17 PM            

Well my mom was born in the baby boomer generation. Yes she use to be a hippy with hair down to her butt.
So I think mom growing up a hippy. Made her un-vein. My mom isn't into lots of make up, or having fancy smancy hair. She was a tom boy growing up.

But of course by the time she settled down and had kids the long hair was ancient history.

Her Venus and Mars are in Virgo. So my mom likes people to look simple and clean.
Mom rolls her eyes when I ware shirts with evil clowns, or black rock and roll high heels!

But now that I have a job where I have to dress casual, and I've lost some weight, mom has been borrowing my sweaters! And shes been getting mad complements when she goes to church.

She never really taught much on hair and make up. I had to teach my self and learn from other sources.

posted January 30, 2011 03:34 PM            

Interestingly, in recent years I've FINALLY realized what bad habits/beliefs I've picked up from my mom. I always knew the good traits that I picked up from her, but the bad ones were a little bit harder to find...

My Mom was overweight her entire life (from the time she was a baby), and her Virgo mother (my Virgo grandmother) was HIGHLY HIGHLY critical of her, probably to the point that she was emotionally abusive. I never saw this side of my grandmother, because by the time I was old enough to remember her, she was in the beginning stages of Alzheimers.

Ironically, my Aquarius mother also got a Virgo daughter. We fight too, but it's never personal like it was with my grandmother.

Anyway, as a result of what my grandmother did to her, my mother was always very extremely sensitive about her weight and her looks. She was an emotional eater and would be on and off diets. She describes herself as 'very survival oriented' because she doesn't like anything remotely dangerous (she never learned to ride a bike, rollerskate, etc as a kid and would never do the things that I do today: skydiving, hiking, snowboarding, etc; she was too self-conscious to take dance classes BECAUSE she was overweight). There is essentially a fear of pain.

What I realized a couple of years ago was that I had picked up some of her negative traits without knowing it on a conscious level.

2 years ago, I made the active decision that I was going to start living my life instead of sitting on the couch watching other people live theirs... I took many different classes (learned fencing, took up hiking and salsa dancing). Essentially, I am living my life as though I were living it from a bucket list, but I'm doing it at 27 instead of 67. During that pursuit, I started losing weight, but not for the purpose of LOOKING better, more for the purpose of FEELING better and being able to do more of the athletic things that I WANT to do in life.

Unlike my mother, I've never been an emotional eater. I just ate junk food and didn't exercise enough, coupled with the fact that genetics caused me to gain extra weight at puberty. I'm taller than her, so actually, I'm still not as overweight as she's been her entire life.

What I realized that she TAUGHT me though, my entire life, was that looks don't matter. It's more important to be smart, capable, talented, etc than it is to be pretty, and you should DISTRUST people who ARE pretty. She also taught me that the entire country discriminates against people who are overweight. However, the way my mom handled this belief was by becoming more of a victim. "It's all hopeless, so why should I try to make myself better?" It was like she was revictimizing herself based on my grandmother's beliefs.

Now, the way this affected me was more on an unconscious level. I've lost about 35 pounds over the course of 8 months, and while I'm still overweight, I look great (again, partially because I'm tall). As a result, I've been garnering A LOT of attention. I am VERY uncomfortable with this attention. Not because I believe that I'm not pretty, but more because I am uncomfortable with being thought of as pretty and being desired ONLY because I'm pretty. I'd rather be desired for being smart, capable, etc.

ALSO, a lot of the time, when I see super gorgeous men and women, I tend to automatically think that they are shallow, superficial, and will look down on me and everyone else. I have learned over time that this is not true.

Astrologically, my Venus is retrograde in Virgo (perfectionistic much?). But, I believe the aspect that describes this situation the most is Venus (conjunct MC/Sun) forming a t-square with Jupiter/Uranus in the first (outward appearance, Jupiter causing weight gain) and Chiron in the 7th (inner wound, dealing with partnerships).

I have had an INSANELY hard time with partnerships in the past because I did not realize my own self-worth and I did not believe that I was DESIRABLE. You kind of have to realize you are desirable for you to believe that anyone else will desire you.

Anyway, that's where the dysfunction/Venus influence/maternal influence lies for me.

posted January 30, 2011 06:11 PM            

yep, she never cared about my appearence and personnal higiene since my 6 years old more or less...

I had to manage myself, and at a young age not very well... My dad use to mention to her, coz I was a girl she should take more care with my appearence. Not to much avail though! She took more care of hers but not in a way that I liked anyway.
My dad do what he could, when he could...

Her Saturn in Cancer squares my Venus in the 6H Aries...Mother didn't care much!

Even later when I took full responsability for my personnal care (my Saturn trines my Venus from Leo 10H- public Image) she used to criticise my Arian red hair choice for many years. Then she'd care to criticise!

Her Pluto's upper hand conjunct my Saturn trining Venus HAD to accept my authority in the matter...Though I'm conscious that I didn't look outrageously out of the box. To be honest it suited me lovely, to her was the all "RED HAIR" idea, see?

She wasn't very emotionally caring as well, her North Node is conjunct my Moon on the MC.
Some people never learn...
I try to be the most caring to my child and having him clean and handsome, so he doesn't have to go through the same embarrassing situations.

I used to have a trauma in cutting my hair. Mom used to make me while I cried and gave a lot of work to the hairdressers!
I still don't like to cut my hair and I do it all by myself (dye, cut, style, straight, etc..) Hate to go to hairdressers...lol

My mom always wears short hair, and me meddium to long, hopefully growing longer like Rappunzel!

Mom used to bit me up for sneaking and spoiling her make-up and using her high heels ;( My true node is in Libra conjunct my Asc, for God's sake mom!!

All I got from mom is some of her religious views and mystical belifs... Moon conjunct Neptune.
Maybe her talent for cooking too.
And physically, a slight feminine delineation of her body contourns.

Now, I have my dad's genes for sure! My Venus conj Mars...( specially some traits in the head, which is ruled by our Venus Aries)
My dad's Venus conjunct my Venus
His Venus trine my Saturn

His Uranus conjunct my Mars ( I have this bolts of energy that I took from him, we have a lot of stamina/activity and are skinny no matter what we eat) My mom can't say the same, she's always overweight and on/off diets.

My Sun conjunct dad's Mercury, we think alike
His Sun/Merc is in Taurus like mine though appart, share same aesthetic views.

My Moon/MC is 9deg appart from his Moon/NN/Pluto

My dad was my mother figure and father altogether!

The only thing from dad was his awearness of my sexuality, so he always made sure I was looking decent enough through his standards( some harsh ones)!

Nowadays if I'm showing a lot of flesh I still avoid by all means the slutish behaviour or to look like that, you know what I mean! LOl

I'm very natural, most of the times. 6H Venus
Has to be clean all the times and with Aries there's no time for laziness! My mom has a Virgo stellium, Asc and Sun as well,they are buried in the 12 house coz I never seen some of the virgo traits come up!!!
I don't care about diets but I care about eating a lot to maintain my weight and curves in place

Libra Asc and Uranus on my 1stH makes me try all styles every different day, and all suits me. I don't have a proper style.

But nothing stays me sexier that the simple sporty girl.
A ponny tail, white clean T-shirt, tight low jeans, immaculate white trainers after a nice shower and spring scents on my skin.

Conclusion:

Nowadays, many times I care of my mom's looks, dye her hairs, do pedicure,match her clothes and buy pretty things for her!

Now you tell me!!! :P

posted January 31, 2011 02:24 AM            

My mother is a Gemini Sun with Virgo Moon/ASC. with Cancer Venus/Mars.

I learned independence/survival at a very young age because my mother was a single mother and had me at 18 years. She raised me very subversively, to the point that I stil have a high intolerence to christianity and marriage.

Even though she was very radical at times, she has always been very glamorous and wears very flamboyant outfits and she is also a musician and a performer.

This makes sense to me, my natal Venus in Gemini is in the 7th house opposite Saturn/Uranus.

posted January 31, 2011 01:18 PM            

I looked up my mom's chart again, and it looks like she also has Pluto and Vesta in Virgo.

So I wonder if that is why she can be such a dang ridiculous critic sometimes! Especially with peoples teeth and hair, and clothes!

My mom is picky as hell with my hair! Even though my mom is no beauty queen. It's so annoying! She will tell me when my hair looks good though. My mom will sometimes complain about my hair when other people think it looks good/fine. My mom likes how I look when I ware a headband.(gag me! lol)

I got a new hair cut in November, that is very flattering on me. And of course when the hair cut is brand new it looks perfect. So my mom praised it. The next day though...my hair was still clean. But the style looked different my layers were not flipped in and out. But I still had that hair spray that made my hair look big. So my hair looked peicy and a clean bed head look.

Me: Mom, it's called the bed head look.
Mom: Yeah?, I got a name for that look.
Me: What?
Mom: The mentally unstable look!

LMFAO, I didn't care I was just going to Starbucks, and my friend's new apartment. And I could tell that that guy that worked at Starbucks thought I looked hot. lol

posted January 31, 2011 02:26 PM            

Um, I have no role models.I like to be my own person and set my own examples and I guess that does have a Leo ring to it.

And my mother is definately not a female role model I would aspire to be =S

posted January 31, 2011 10:48 PM            

My role models have always been intelligent, funny, beautiful women. Growing up I enjoyed the show "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" and I admire Sarah M. Gellar with a passion as who she was in character, but also the way she spoke and her dedication to selfless acts... she went to Hatit back '99 to help build houses and a school with the local community and with Habitat for Humanity.

She also always kept a quiet life, which made me aware of how not to be so public about romance, because with women sometimes when young, they gossip about other people's love lives... plus she showed how to be normal in the spotlight.

Sarah is my hero for other reasons, but those are my main ones.

posted February 03, 2011 04:12 AM            

as for beauty routines, i do not have one. i wash my face once a day usually and put on some cream. no makeup except maybe once a year for kicks. in general i'm pretty laissez faire but i do have a style i guess you could say, and a certain preference in clothing and colours (only earth colours and grey, occasionally red). people are often quite attracted to me which is probably why i don't 'dress up' or wear makeup; it makes me uncomfortable and i'd rather know someone on a personal level than a superficial one.

i am extremely artistic.

posted February 03, 2011 04:19 AM            

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