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staborgi
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posted January 30, 2011 04:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for staborgi     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What's your experience with them? Do you feel them the way you do other aspects?

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posted January 31, 2011 09:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for staborgi     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
anyone?

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posted January 31, 2011 11:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lucia23     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sorry, I don't know anything about this! I keep hoping someone will post with more information...

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posted February 01, 2011 12:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for littlecloud     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What the hell are they to begin with?

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posted February 01, 2011 01:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for staborgi     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
lol ok I can explain. I'm mostly asking because I was looking back at past synastries and found some interesting connections with declinations so I wanted to see what others experiences with them.

Declination measurements are the last column of your chart on astro.com if you click "view additional tables" to get all the placements of signs, houses, etc. listed.

The degrees of each planet function on a vertical axis from the earth which is 0. So for example, my sun, regardless of sign or house is at 20.33 SOUTH. So within your natal you can see if planets fall within one degree (I think 2 is the max orb) of one another or if they are opposite one another (north-south) within one degree. If they are in the same degree they are considered parallel and if they are opposite they are considered contra-parallel. The parallel is said to function like a conjunction and the contra-parallel like an opposition. However in terms of the energy, I've read that they feel "softer" than the hardness and tension we find with latitudinal conjunctions/oppositions.

I've found that these aspects kind of fill in holes in natal and synastries. For example- my Sun doesn't make any major aspects latitudinally but in declinations it is parallel to Saturn and Neptune, so it's supposed to function like a less tense conjunction, which I think is very true for me. I've always felt very strongly attuned to these planets, like they were part of my basic fabric but they are not really prominent in my chart otherwise. An example in synastry- my dad's Moon is parallel to my Mercury- his emotional perspective and caring has always helped me clarify and nuture my thoughts and mental perspective. I feel like he just feels where I'm coming from and really expresses sympathy, emotion, and nurturing when I really talk to him and hash things out with him. But our Moons/Mercs don't make any aspects latitudinally.

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posted February 01, 2011 01:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for staborgi     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
here's cafeastrology's descriptions of declination aspects in the natal- http://www.cafeastrology.com/natal/declinationsparallels.html

haven't found much good reading on them in synastry which is why I posted this topic, but here's a brief article- http://cafeastrology.com/blog/declinations-in-synastry-the-astrology-of-relationships/

and on determining them- http://www.cafeastrology.com/declinations_parallels.html

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posted February 02, 2011 10:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for littlecloud     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Does the birth time count for this?

I have venus parallel Jupiter
Neptune, Saturn, Uranus all parallel eachother
Mars contra-parallel Pluto

I suppose reading it as a conjunction/opposition might give us more of a clue. The Venus one didn't really make much sense to me on cafeastrology

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posted February 03, 2011 03:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lucia23     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh, interesting!

Does this apply to angles, too, and nodes?

In the synastry I'm looking at, my NN is parallel his Moon-Neptune, and our ASC/DC axises are parallel.

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posted February 03, 2011 06:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for scrappydog     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
starborgi, I am very interested in declinations also in natal and in synastry. I have eagerly consumed any and all books and info i can find on them and dissapointingly come up with very little. Barbara Watters, who is a brilliant astrologer in my opinion, only said that that they7 were even more powerful than conjunctions and oppositions, the parralel acting "simular" to a conj and a contraparralel acting simular to an opposition. There is very little information about this very important aspect of the birth chart available though. I too would love any input on how they would operate in synastry.

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posted February 04, 2011 10:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for nordicsoul     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by staborgi:
lol ok I can explain. I'm mostly asking because I was looking back at past synastries and found some interesting connections with declinations so I wanted to see what others experiences with them.

Declination measurements are the last column of your chart on astro.com if you click "view additional tables" to get all the placements of signs, houses, etc. listed.

The degrees of each planet function on a vertical axis from the earth which is 0. So for example, my sun, regardless of sign or house is at 20.33 SOUTH. So within your natal you can see if planets fall within one degree (I think 2 is the max orb) of one another or if they are opposite one another (north-south) within one degree. If they are in the same degree they are considered parallel and if they are opposite they are considered contra-parallel. The parallel is said to function like a conjunction and the contra-parallel like an opposition. However in terms of the energy, I've read that they feel "softer" than the hardness and tension we find with latitudinal conjunctions/oppositions.

I've found that these aspects kind of fill in holes in natal and synastries. For example- my Sun doesn't make any major aspects latitudinally but in declinations it is parallel to Saturn and Neptune, so it's supposed to function like a less tense conjunction, which I think is very true for me. I've always felt very strongly attuned to these planets, like they were part of my basic fabric but they are not really prominent in my chart otherwise. An example in synastry- my dad's Moon is parallel to my Mercury- his emotional perspective and caring has always helped me clarify and nuture my thoughts and mental perspective. I feel like he just feels where I'm coming from and really expresses sympathy, emotion, and nurturing when I really talk to him and hash things out with him. But our Moons/Mercs don't make any aspects latitudinally.


thanks a lot for this info. I will check my sinastries and will get back to you... very interesting topic

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posted February 05, 2011 12:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lonake     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Lemme see,
Natally:
Moon parallel Uranus
Moon parallel Neptune
Venus contraparallel Chiron
Saturn contraparallel Pluto
Uranus contraparallel NN
Neptune contrapallel NN
w/the love of my life:
my Moon contraparallel his NN
my Mercury contraparallel his Pluto
my Venus parallel his Mars
my Mars contraparallel his Uranus
my Uranus parallel his Sun
--------- contraparallel his NN
my Neptune contraparallel his Jupiter
my Chiron contraparallel his Mars

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posted February 05, 2011 11:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mir     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Interesting! And well.. if this is such an ignored area in Astrology, let us first begin to list our natal declinations and those in synastry with the love of our life/SO etc. to get an idea of how many, which kind etc.

Natal (orb within 1*);

Sun contra-parallel Jupiter
Sun Parallel Saturn
Sun contra-parallel Neptune
Sun parallel MC
Moon contra-parallel Venus
Moon parallel Mars
Mercury contra-parallel Chiron
Venus contra-parallel Mars
Jupiter contra-parallel Saturn
Jupiter parallel Neptune
Jupiter contra-parallel MC
Saturn contra-parallel Neptune
Saturn parallel MC
Neptune contra-parallel MC

= aspected latitudinally

I come later with the synastry.

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posted February 05, 2011 02:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lonake     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by mir:
aspected latitudinally

Does this one matter?

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posted February 05, 2011 02:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for VenusDiSirius     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Can someone interpret Venus parallel Varuna for me?? Pretty please

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posted February 05, 2011 03:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mir     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Lonake, I think it does..

Read this for example;

Parallel and Contraparallel

Traditional astrology asks us to look at the declinations of two bodies, and when they are within one degree of distance to consider them parallel. If both planets are in the same direction of declination, as when both are north, or both are south, we should consider them parallel. However, if one is north and one is south, we should consider them as contraparallel. These are then considered to have a mild effect the same as a conjunction or opposition respectively. The other keyword used for the parallels of declination is "intensity", i.e. the energies of two planets in whatever aspect they have natally will be intensified. So if you have two natal planets with a semi-sextile and they are also parallel , this semi-sextile will be more intense. Rather than ignore this as a minor aspect you may wish to emphasize this in an interpretation. If you plot this aspect by declination longitudinal equivalents and insert them into a Denlinger Declination Chart you will be able to see the energy more readily.

For instance, if we have that same semi-sextile, which is also a contraparallel, and it is to be interpreted as an opposition, doesn't it make sense to have the planet's energy noted in the opposing sign? If you inserted an opposition into the standard chart form you would have a quite different interpretation than with a mere semi-sextile.

Using the information regarding the ecliptic that we will delve into in the following paragraphs, it is sensible to assume that when planetary bodies are closer to one of the cardinal points these parallels and contraparallels will also be more powerful.

When you have a square of two natal planets, and they are also parallel, you can judge this is again as a very important and powerful area. The energy is reinforced. But it is the hidden aspects, such as the semi- sextile mentioned above , with its opposition, that you will not see unless you use the declinations. Astrology is always a matter of weighing and judging the relative strengths of aspects and planets and is a subtle art only learned by experience. The declinations are an important refinement . Unless you are using all the tools of the trade, so to speak, you will miss out on much needed information.
http://www.astrologysoftware.com/resources/articles/getarticle.asp?ID=33&orig

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posted February 05, 2011 03:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for popcorn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My natal Sun 10,47 conj AC 10,42 in leo
My Sun 17,31 N Parallel AC 17,32 N
My Sun Parallel jupiter
My AC parallel jupiter

My Natal moon 6,49 square Natal pluto 12,49
My moon 19,18 N parallel pluto 19,19

My Natal mars conj Natal N.N
My mars parallel N.N
My mars parallel antiwertex
My N.N parallel antiwertex

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posted February 05, 2011 04:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lonake     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"So if you have two natal planets with a semi-sextile and they are also parallel , this semi-sextile will be more intense."

Definitely agree with this.

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posted February 05, 2011 09:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for popcorn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I completely agree with you lonake. My DW of conj and parallels have always been in focus in my whole life.

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posted December 10, 2015 11:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Speaking of Synastry my ex and I have Moon conjunct Moon but by 5-6d but his moon parallels my moon almost exact by 0d03 and I have always felt that we felt like a tight moon conjunction and felt it didn't make sense that the conjunction wasn't much tighter; it was always odd to me but now it makes sense.

I checked also our solar arc moons and they conjunct close to 2d.

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posted December 10, 2015 11:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Moving to Interpersonal Astrology.

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