posted January 31, 2011 12:25 AM            

Can you read Helio to your Natal or synastry wise do you compare Helio to someone elses natal? Or what? Confused

In Helio
My
Earth 16 Aqua
Moon 16 Aqua
Mercury 19Aqua
Venus 19 Pisces
Chiron 14 Aries
Saturn 12 Gem
Mars 2virgo
Pluto 1Lib
Uranus 17Lib
Juno 1 Scop
Neptune 4Sag

If you include Chiron I have A kite or yod pointing at Uranus.
Jupiter 7Cap

posted February 11, 2011 04:09 PM            

I will answer it later.

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A different mind is NOT a deficient mind.

posted February 12, 2011 12:09 AM            

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Originally posted by Lioness:
What exactly does Heliocentric Chart refer too?

Can you read Helio to your Natal or synastry wise do you compare Helio to someone elses natal? Or what? Confused

In Helio
My
Earth 16 Aqua
Moon 16 Aqua
Mercury 19Aqua
Venus 19 Pisces
Chiron 14 Aries
Saturn 12 Gem
Mars 2virgo
Pluto 1Lib
Uranus 17Lib
Juno 1 Scop
Neptune 4Sag

If you include Chiron I have A kite or yod pointing at Uranus.
Jupiter 7Cap

What do aspects mean in this type of chart?

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There are astrologers that use heliocentric positions in a geocentric/tropical chart (the regular chart).

The late Robert Blascke used heliocentric positions in geocentric/tropical chart. He uses that method with natal,synastry,and composite.

He only used conjunctions within 1 degree though, and that's what I would just stick with too.

Of course, heliocentric charts can be used a stand alone chart.

The heliocentric chart is said to represent the Christ Consciousness or Higher self.
The geocentric/tropical zodiac chart is said to represent the present incarnation as well as the physical.

When a heliocentric point/object is conjunct a geocentric/tropical zodiac point/object, then the Christ consciousness or higher self aspect of the person merges with the present incarnation and physical aspect of the person.

It's also unnecessary to list the heliocentric Moon. Moon is the Earth's satellite.

In the heliocentric system, the Moon/Earth is one unit, and it's just the Earth.

It's like, all the other planets that have moons. The moons are counted with the planets as one unit (the planet).

In heliocentric system, the Moon, Ascendant/Descendant axis, Midheaven/Imum Coeli axis, and the houses disappear.

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A different mind is NOT a deficient mind.

posted February 12, 2011 12:20 AM            

Shifting to a heliocentric horoscope requires that an individual give up a good deal of tightly tied personality points, namely the ego. Astrologers shifting to the heliocentric method of astrological interpretation must likewise give up a series of items of intimate familiarity. First, the houses disappear, along with the midheaven and rising sign. A quadrant emphasis replaces the houses, based upon the Vernal Equinox (0E Aries). Secondly, retrogrades are relinquished.
The solar observation of true motion of the planets replaces the Earth based apparent motion. The Earth and its Moon become virtually indistinguishable within the zodiac. This merger represents an integration of the Earth and its satellite, the Moon. Lastly, the Sun disappears - or so it seems.
This is not true either; the Sun merely becomes the point of reference (view).
The sacrifices of the shift to heliocentric astrology are uncomfortable indeed, much like
giving up the typical ego reactions employed for entire sequences of lifetimes. The subsequent enlightenment and purity of being to be reclaimed make it all worthwhile. Each of the astrological considerations lost is replaced by a new premise, perhaps of true proportions. Truly, no loss exists.
The movement to heliocentric astrology creates additional space in which the individual or event of consummation obtains more operating room. This diminishes the probability of the individual tripping in the very process of motion. The mundane influences of life begin to evaporate just because there is no room for the influences to occupy. This can create great difficulty for individuals seeing no benefit in a life without inherent difficulties. Life becomes
simpler and it remains imperative that the new space created be filled with issues and evolution outside the individual. This dynamic defines the nature of pursuing life from within to without.
Life without resistance evolves. The essence of the August, 1987 Harmonic Convergence blends awareness and action.

Heliocentric horoscopes initially appear to be suspended in space with very little to stand upon, which of course is not true. In fact the entire mass of the Sun may now be used as a basis.
The Sun contains 99.8% of all the physical matter in the solar system! This creates a large,energized platform for the baseline of one’s existence. More pressure and push results within the heliocentric chart. This pressure is self-generated and self-contained, arising from the agreement
of the soul to truly evolve. The transition to heliocentric astrology symbolically represents a
greater commitment on the part of the soul to utilize its incarnation upon the planet Earth with
maximum application.
The first experience of a heliocentric map may be one of, “So what do I do with it now?!?”
The reader is encouraged to recall the first view ever held of a geocentric nativity. Remember the perplexity of trying to understand all of the astrological dynamics that everybody else except you knew so well? Remember the overwhelming sensation of being mentally overloaded? Remember the sense of never being able to learn it all? Welcome to round two of astrological perceptual disorders.
The disorder of first heliocentric experiences result from insufficient background information. Even some basic theory would dispel much of the discomfort. The initial reaction to the heliocentric chart is much like having the ego defense mechanisms and facades in life stripped away. Everyone understands you at the soul level. This is frightening. This is capable of producing paranoia, fear and over reaction to rejection. Then an interesting phenomenon results.
Those people do not seem to care about your personality. They recognize you at the soul level and view the greatness contained by the soul housed by the organism known as a human body.
Relief results and the negative reactive emotions melt in the heat of the solar mass. Heliocentric astrology is like always running on solar power!

New aspects of the self emerge based upon parts of the soul never considered and
perceptions which require that an individual be removed from physical situations to clearly perceive them. These new considerations result from contingencies offered in heliocentric astrology which do not appear in geocentric systems. Shifts in astrological priorities yield shifts in consciousness describing the essence of the individual. Once one lets go of the astrological premises relevant only in geocentric astrology one encounters the new phenomena: heliocentric planetary nodes, occultations (essentially eclipses) of all planets, aphelion (farthest planetary point from the Sun in orbital revolution) and perihelion (closest solar contact point within the orbital geometry).
Astrologers will also experience relief from individuals not knowing accurate times of birth.
Time is a much less critical consideration since no angles or rapid lunar placements are
calculated. The greatest error in a heliocentric horoscope with an inaccurate birth time will occur for the planet Mercury.

New aspect patterns arise (for instance, Mercury opposed Venus). This offers new insight into traditional methods. Consider the Mercury/Venus opposition: a clear individual recognition of one’s needs through direct communication. The need to communicate is dramatically exposed heliocentrically where in geocentric astrology it would never be noted. It is true that some other geocentric aspect may have suggested this need, but not with the direct perspective of the heliocentric point of view.
There will be growing pains in heliocentric astrology. It is to the advantage of the
heliocentrically inquisitive astrologer to notice the areas of discomfort. Later on in the study of heliocentric astrology, correlate these initial discomforts to the resultant awareness. Chances are
that reduction of ego and development of soul occur in the process.

A heliocentric map stands to facilitate each astrologer in dealing with the power and responsibility which exists in the realm of astrology. It is a journey of the inner
cosmos of the soul.
The concepts of heliocentric astrology require that the astrologer
first give up a series of notions.

These are:

Relinquished Precepts
a. retrograde planets
b. angles and houses
c. Moon signs
d. fictitious model of the solar system
e. loss of relative (apparent) bias

Obtained Concepts
a. true motion of planets
b. quadrant system referenced to 00 Aries
c. integration of Earth and Moon
d. solar basis of activities and views
e. accurate (true) model of the solar system
f. gain of objectivity
g. heliocentric planetary emphasis
h. perihelia interpretation
i. aphelia interpretation
j. new aspect possibilities

The heliocentric horoscope strongly emphasizes the extended purpose in life. The
map reveals roads to take to propel the seeker closer to a sense of meaning and fulfillment within the incarnation. The individual obtains and must utilize the expanded operating room of space in
which one conducts the incarnation. Availability of purpose-related activities increase, enabling strong reinforcement aspects to one’s destiny.

posted February 12, 2011 12:21 AM            

The planetary nodes stimulate an area of influence in the heliocentric horoscope. Early work by John Nelson found that a planet was stronger
1 when within five to ten degrees of either node or bisection of the nodal axis. He was not clear as to whether a planet interacted strongly only with its own nodes. It is submitted that any planet to any other planetary node may be considered
to be an effective aspect - five degree orb maximum.
Planetary nodes in heliocentric astrology advance at a rate of about one degree per 100 years.
This does not represent an effect of precession since precession is a geocentric perceptual phenomenon. The slow motion of the nodes creates a generational influence in which virtually any person born in any given century has the same nodes. What could be the fuss?
The planet in contact to the node represents the personalized connection to a collective issue.
The planet reveals the impetus that the individual possesses to exert an effect in a larger issue of humanity and in context of the planet’s symbolism. North Node connections induce the individual to push for advance, change, reform and progress - worst case: rebellion, malcontent
and antiestablishment attitudes prevail, often polarizing the opposed force into greater manifestation; protest and resistance fail to function at any level. South planetary nodes contain
heritage, tradition and foundation. Contacts to the south node support such historical bases with great chauvinism. Other times, the tailing node contact represents dogma, resistance to progress,fear of advancement and the inability to adjust to technological progress. A point of equilibrium and balance must be maintained.

It remains relatively simple to delineate planetary contacts to nodes. Do realize that
examples presented are out of horoscopic context and could be modified significantly by other aspects in
the chart.
Consider the instance of an individual’s Mercury in Gemini con joining the Venusian North Node. A double Gemini influence prevails from Mercury and its association to Gemini and the sign of the North Node of Venus. This inspires the individual to speak actively regarding social issues, monetary conditions, or the sphere of social relationships. Best case, this person effectively occupies a platform for social and economic reform. Worst case, the individual reduces the self into the realm of idle gossip - misdirected, unapplied, frustrated by the collective conditions at hand. His/her overall morality would feel violated without source to rectification.
Should an individual’s natal Mars in Capricorn fall upon the Saturnian South Node, the individual would be an archeologist. This archeology need not manifest in the physical let’s-godig-a-hole-in Egypt mode. The digging into the past could be mental, philosophical or emotional.
This individual strives to extract the value and benefit of what was done, noting the downfalls in the interest of avoiding future tautology. At best, the person advances great insights into dimensions of development and realizes a variety of ways to transcend past errors. When operating at a less than optimum level, the owner of the map becomes obsessed by tradition,allowing an antiquated heritage to go unchallenged by the motions of progress. Such action merely seals the fate of the collective force to replicate old procedures enabling accurate recycling of the same efforts at evolution - ultimate redundancy.
Nelson’s work pointed out sensitivity of a planet bisecting the nodal axis - the midpoint of the North Node/South Node or South Node/North Node. A moderately different flavor may be applied to each of these nodal midpoints. The direction of the natural zodiac constitutes the from/to direction, these points follow a from/to format, that is, from South Node to North Node or from North Node to South Node.
The motion in the direction of the North Node from the South Node shows a movement out
of the past and into the future. Integration, balance and synthesis of the two worlds of existence becomes paramount. Taking the best of the old and applying it as foundation provides a key as to this necessary integration. Elimination of old for mats which exceed effective application propels the issue forward even further. A moderate approach to progress blending with the firmness of tested effort combines for a successful approach to a planet’s theme.
Moving from the North Node to the South Node requires more emphasis to be placed on
exploration of the past. Previous forms hold many keys to ensure that progressive effects do not fall short of the goal through lack of preparation or expectation of the unforeseen. This nodal moderation calls for a conservative attitude in growth and progress. Examination of the former reveals potential problematic situations. Such avoidances, perceived in advance due to retrospective analysis, save great time and energy in the interest of forward motion and growth.

Perihelia and Aphelia
These solar contact orientations establish another set of fixed configurations to examine in order to understand the pursuit and purpose of the individual with respect to the collective. As with the nodal nuances, these points generate interest in destiny and meaning in life, thereby
inspiring the person to continue forward in life with zest and zeal.
At the perihelion point the Sun occupies one of the foci of the planet’s orbital ellipse. The persuasion of the planet strives to find focus at the perihelion and does so with great urgency.
The urgency is established by the rapid motion of the planet at perihelion and the relative proximity to the Sun.
Consider the implication of John Nelson’s work again. He substantiated that a planetary
connection to either perihelion or aphelion significantly strengthened the influence of the planet.
2 No direct reference was made to perihelion/aphelion bisection, however, the influence is implied.
Suppose that an individual had natal Jupiter in the heliocentric chart in a partile conjunction with the perihelion of Mercury in Gemini. Note that Jupiter would also conjoin the North Node of Venus, and to a lesser degree the North Node of Uranus. To contemplate solely the Jupiter to Mercury integration in this planet/ perihelion configuration, the individual would carry strong teaching abilities into this incarnation. An urgency to guide or instruct would prevail until the individual found manifestation. Idle bossiness or voicing arrogant opinions are good examples of this aspect in an unintegrated form. Still, the prevalent urge carries the need to contact, at close distance, those with whom one can share information of an experiential nature.

Ponder upon a Mars in Scorpio on the perihelion of Pluto. This aspect guarantees a strong interactive influence geared to provoke, push, and persuade a deep level of transformation.
Regardless of how this aspect looks at a distance (even when Pluto is closest it is still some thirty times the distance of the Earth from the Sun) the goal is to produce massive change and possibly painful evolution, even at the risk of complete isolationism (not a purpose to be approached
lightly).
Venus falling upon Jupiter’s aphelion in Libra should stimulate some interesting relationship interactions for the individual. Despite discreetness, this individual’s relationship life would
attract the attention of the collective, especially that part of the collective which thinks it has the right answer. The individual bears the lesson to teach the collective how to relate to others within
one’s own standards. Retreat, as the distant aphelion implies, provides the point of essential refuge and perspective. Retreat from a relationship allows for participation in the same relationship, forming a statement of synthesis.
The midpoint of perihelion/aphelion (q/Q), moving from perihelion to aphelion direction
created by the natural zodiac, demonstrates a braking motion. The planet theoretically reaches a mean speed of revolution about the Sun, striving to obtain a point of normalcy. Some remorse may be felt during slow-down. Otherwise the retreat may be anticipated in a vacation-like atmosphere. Enthusiasm for the plateau results.
Pluto’s q/Q midpoint falls in Aquarius. Should an individual have the Earth in Aquarius aligned with this point, the individual feels an environmental urge to deal with ecology of the planet. This ecological interest can thrive without impeaching the Secretary of the Interior! It may appear in a psychological, mental, philosophical or spiritual sense. These individuals try to manifest the essential resources upon the planet in the interest of the planet’s transformation. The
“putting on the brakes” theme of the midpoint stresses the need to pause and review, ensuring effective and conscious effort of resources before moving forward and using (exploiting) other resources. An earthier analogy is reviewing the refrigerator for potential leftovers prior to cooking a new meal. This investigation requires the jettison of the decayed foodstuffs to prevent
decay of good foodstuffs.
Mars resting upon the midpoint Q/q of Saturn in Aries represents the point of planetary
acceleration as it passes through mean orbital characteristics. This creates the need for renewed thrust and pooling of resources and guarantees that the effort extended has sufficient impetus to
produce the intended structural manifestations implied by Saturn. One demands more individualized energy, great persistence and an overwhelmingly positive attitude toward success.

The seven and a half degree aspect family, familiar to those of the Cosmobiological schools
of thought, stirs some initial puzzlement amongst other astrologers. In many systems of astrology
these angular relationships repeatedly demonstrate their potency and viability. The simplest way
to encounter these contacts is to make a listing of angular separation among all planets and points
in the horoscope. Orbs to the seven and a half degree family should keep to one degree.

A reference table of the seven and a half degree family follows:
07.5E 97.50E 187.5E 277.5E
15.0E 105.0E 195.0E 285.0E
22.5E 112.5E 202.5E 292.5E
30.0E 120.0E 210.0E 300.0E
37.5E 127.5E 217.5E 307.5E
45.0E 135.0E 225.0E 315.0E
52.5E 142.5E 232.5E 322.5E
60.0E 150.0E 240.0E 330.0E
67.5E 157.5E 247.5E 337.5E
75.0E 165.0E 255.0E 345.0E
82.5E 172.5E 262.5E 352.5E
90.0E 180.0E 270.0E 360.0E

These aspects imply efforts towards manifestation. It is worth noting that the seven and a
half degree aspect family contains all of the major aspects within the aspect genealogy.
A final note on aspectual orbs comes again from the works of John Nelson. Nelson’s work
implied that an applying orb of five degrees and a four degree departing (separating) seemed highly effective.3 For mundane analysis wherein timing is foremost, tighter aspects of 15’ applying and 30’ separating function accurately.

My Mercury in 17'01 Sagittarius is conjunct Mercury Aphelion in 16'50 Sagittarius.
Therefore, my Mercury is strengthened and is connected to Mercury collective. This could be dealing with the collective in regards to communication,mental activity which would fit with my neurodiversity advocacy and running nonprofit organization.

with Mercury conjunct its aphelion, it's also around its slowest period

According to Philip Sedgwick in regards to Aphelion:
Aphelion for Mercury comes in the usually “go-for-it” sign of Sagittarius. The motion of the fleet-footed messenger slows down, allowing a lazy stroll through the Sagittarius sector in the sky. The implication arising reveals that direction in thought form, word form and listening form develops as a result of deliberate contemplation, not the usual flitting about associated with the Mercury mental process. The essence of Sagittarius strives to obtain and produce truth. The pitfall of the truths of Sagittarius occur when truth and dogma become a system of justification for a form of Mercurial activity. This effect extends through all communications, trickery of a deliberate nature and those things known as practical jokes.

according to Philip Sedgwick in regards to Slow Mercury:
Slow Mercury individuals bear the qualities of methodical and intuitive learners. These
individuals often take time to contemplate or digest a new statement, thought or concept before acting. These individuals, regardless of the speed of internal mental processing, generally think before speaking. The slow Mercury placement sets up the capacity for good listening abilities and an empathetic ear. These individuals are concerned about the level of completion in any given communication interaction. They often ask if the question is understood or that answers be clarified.
The slow Mercury person bears a great level of innate patience within communication. This
makes the individual more naturally disposed for research or in-depth investigation. A naturally inquisitive mind resides in the brain and the individual demonstrates less gullibility and naivete

My Mercury in 17'01 Sagittarius is conjunct Jupiter in 14'07 Sagittarius
according to Philip Sedgwick:
A slow Mercury conjunct Jupiter or Uranus may explode communicatively, defying the
natural qualities of deliberate contemplation which are inherent in the slow placement and thus resembling a fast Mercury.

you can find any connections to perihelion,aphelion as well as nodes here: http://www.true-node.com/eph1/

notice that orbs of 5 degrees is suggested for the planetary nodes

that would mean my Mercury-Venus-Jupiter conjunction is conjunct both the South Venus and South Uranus Nodes.

if they use that orb for planetary nodes,
I'd use no more than 3 degree orb for the minor planetary nodes.

it seems that conjunction to the midpoint of the north and south node or to the midpoint of the south node and node are important
which basically means square the nodal axis

the same with conjunction to the midpoint of the perihelion and aphelion or to the midpoint of the aphelion and perihelion are important which basically means square the perihelion/aphelion axis

I also believe that the closer the orb,the stronger the influence

Maybe people with much closer orbs to nodes will probably be more involve with the collective than people with wider orbs to nodes.

of course, it depends on the person and what he/she do with his/her energies

Interestingly, I have all my personal planets (Earth,Mercury,Venus,and Mars aspecting nodes of planets,dwarf planets/dwarf planet candidates. That suggest very likely that I was meant to be a public figure.

Earth in 5'20 Taurus conjunct North Eris Node in 5'30 Taurus
Mercury in 17'01 Sagittarius conjunct South Venus Node in 16'25 Sagittarius
Venus in 14'35 Sagittarius conjunct South Uranus Node in 13'52 Sagitarius
Mars in 7'32 Aries conjunct South Quaoar Node in 8'29 Aries

Overall, I think that being a neurodiversity advocate and starting a nonprofit organization for people with neurological/learning differences as well as being open about my own experiences in regards to diversity as well as being nonconformist,unconventional,creative and issues with relationships which are things that many people with neurological/learning differences experience. Therefore, talking about my own past experiences will help people understand many others like myself.

posted February 12, 2011 12:29 AM            

If you understand the polarity of the Sun and Earth , and then you can see how the Sun-Sun opposition can be compatible with each other.
After all Sun oppose Sun is a double whammy of Sun conjunct Earth. Sun in Aries oppose Sun in Libra equates to Sun in Aries conjunct Earth in Aries and Sun in Libra conjunct Earth in Libra.

Sun in Aries person could learn Aries stuff from Earth in Aries person and vice versa, and Sun Libra person could learn Libra stuff from Earth in Libra person and vice versa

The following is from Philip Sedgwick. It is from his Heliocentric Astrology book, The Sun at the Center

Sure You Know Your Sun Sign...
But do you know your Earth Sign?

The following content comes from the innovative and leading edge treatise, The Sun at the Center, by Philip Sedgwick, available by download from the site's store. This is virtually the only interpretive book on Earth concerning heliocentric, or Sun-centered astrology.

Simply, the Earth sign stands opposite the Sun in longitude - exact to the degree, minute and second, whether seen geocentrically or heliocentrically. How can this critical polarity be ignored, especially given the fact we stand upon Earth? Take your own firm stand on terra firma! Read onward in the journey to rediscover the lost Earth.

Aries Earth (Libra Sun)

Lesson - The lesson involved in the Arien Earthling exists in the process of self-actualization. The individual must come to a full sense of self to allow functional relationships with others. These beings are highly interactive and not necessarily with other beings. Interaction at this Earth level may manifest through a direct confrontation or exchange with a person and it may also result with a thing or a principle. The interaction is secondary to the level of validation which they seek. A sense of self-worth independent of others must result for assertiveness to be complete. At some point, the individual will realize that with or without people, places and things the self remains intact. Until this process is understood, the soul continues to establish faulty interactions to create alienation, isolation and perceived rejection. This is all done in the interest of self-contained validation.

Legacy - Upon completion of self-realization and a self-contained sense of being free from the need of input from others, relatability becomes a primary dynamic in the individual’s life. Interaction begins to provide a mechanism of on-going support for the individual as the person teaches others to recognize that which is self-disguised within their beings. This discipline can be taught by the Aries Earth with incredible compassion for the crisis of self-identity. The individual retains the ability to interact in a non-involved manner, allowing truth and personal integrity to prevail above all else.

Taurus Earth (Scorpio Sun)

Lesson - Many presume that the Earth rules Taurus. Perhaps one would then assume that the Earth in home territory would maintain a certain comfort or reliability in this Sign/Planet relationship. Perhaps that is true and only at the legacy level. These souls drop themselves into a body and begin an immediate struggle to learn absolute (Divine) worth without extorting, exploiting or destroying the value of the high worth item. The physical preoccupies the primal Taurus Earth mind, blinding all objectivity of what truly is important. Priority systems must be established, the truth told and motivations revealed. This all tends to combine the positive aspects of the lessons to lead to the luxury of the legacy. However, it is critical that the learning process for this Earthly student include doing his or her own home work with no ruses.

Legacy - Once optimized, these Earthlings quickly recognize the worth and value of a person, place or thing. They are challenged by intrinsic worth and seek to polish raw materials to a brilliant luster. These individuals can become great motivators. This is often achieved through agitation and playing a negative role to produce a positive effect. Negativity is only used as a transformative.

Gemini Earth (Sagittarius Sun)

Lesson - This sign axis must learn to deal with an intellectually intense duality that teaches that the more consideration and objectivity, the greater the focus. These people perceive this postulate to be in direct contradiction to the basic programming of the mind. The blinders must be removed and a willingness to view polar opposition must result. A mental overload exists until the individual recognizes that missed objectives result from the inability to adjust or correct a course once in motion. Long range effects appear in little steps. As a Chinese proverb states, “a journey of a thousand miles begins with the first step.” Such is the case for the Gemini Earth. Steps along the way allow for reconsideration, revision and resolutions to be refined without interruption to the natural direction.

Legacy - Once in a mode of receptivity and diversification, the Gemini Earth individual becomes one of the most directed and consistent contemplators on the planet. The lesson taught by these people is that there is no absolute way to get there. Many paths exist between here and there. Correction is taught as a positive attribute and not as an indicator of something thought or done incorrectly.

Cancer Earth (Capricorn Sun)

Lesson - Mother Earth herself reaches the closest point of approach (perihelion) to the Sun in Cancer. The Cancer Earth contains the need to respond to the most direct sunlight and illumination of all the Earth placements. Direct and undisputed contact with the nurturing action is maintained and requires useful, non-interfering incorporation. Domination tendencies must convert into a support mechanism. Those with this Earth must learn about responsibilities and that each person owns a different sense of responsibility. This realization precludes being disappointed in one’s offspring (anyone to whom the Cancer Earth becomes attached) and releases guilt, expectation and irritation. The pursuit of Earth dictates the need to frolic in the Sun. The ability to enjoy and align with nature establishes contact with the base of Earth. This eliminates an inability to appreciate beauty as it exists. This individual must reject cynicism in the soul to enable the heart to open.

Legacy - Cancer Earth people are among the most sensitive and caring upon the planet. They demonstrate this clearly when actualized in being through support and love given freely and without consideration of reaction or rejection. Love is given without expectation and the individual teaches how to love safely and responsibly without interrupting the flow of another person’s development.

Leo Earth (Aquarius Sun)

Lesson - The development of the personality in an ego sense is the first portion of this soul’s lesson. The ego must then evolve into a unique sense of self-contained individuality which functions with out the need to compare the self to others. Confidence is the quality which stimulates the beginning of the work leading directly into the legacy. The lesson, though, is a tough one and contains intense periods of variation in self-esteem. Once the belief in and knowledge of one’s own internal strength sets in, these people begin an active campaign leading others into awareness of themselves.

Legacy - The Leonine Earthlings strive to lead others in their realm to realize the need for a self-contained sense of individuality. They teach others how to own one’s being and allow creative self- expression to flourish. The Leo Earth people discourage others from cloning or engaging in emulation techniques that establish superficial attachments to the projected qualities of another individual. These people stress uniqueness and strive to promote the confidence of everyone they encounter. This inspirational ability of the Leo Earth may manifest in both direct and indirect means of interaction with others. Personal contact is not necessary for the process to occur.

Virgo Earth (Pisces Sun)

Lesson - Virgo Earthlings appear on the planet to develop an aware ness of the principles of integration on a minute level. Overall knowledge of the system seems to exist in these beings. A need for understanding the detailed simplicity of life’s process must follow. Discipline becomes a key factor in the schooling of the Virgoan Earth as resistance to commitment and structure is taken for granted. This discipline, once implemented, allows these individuals to set into motion the plans, creative concepts and intuitive insights which flash through the mind. Discipline strives to eliminate the inability often experienced in prioritizing life’s endeavors. The organized for mats of discipline yield the ability to select an appropriate creative pursuit to manifest.

Legacy - The legacy of the Virgo Earth resides within the ability to adjust to a flowing system of discipline. These individuals are then capable of presenting to others the synthesis of the subtle and the gross, the sacred and the profane and the parts and the wholes.

Libra Earth (Aries Sun)

Lesson - At one level it appears that these people exist solely for the purpose of establishing identity of the self at the soul’s core. The lesson adds a deeper aspect to the identity quest. It becomes imperative for these individuals to learn the active dynamic of interfacing with others on the planet. Self-assertion must be conducted in such a way as not to interfere with the will and identities of others.

Legacy - Once polarized, these individuals leave behind the lesson of interaction without compromise. The cultivation of the sense of self is a demonstrated blending with an ability to be and to let others be. Interference and imposition diminishes creating a clear approach in human relationship.

Scorpio Earth (Taurus Sun)

Lesson - The drive to transform need presents the biggest challenge of this Earth/Sun polarity. Attachment and possession must be over come. Learning how to have and hold, and how the have/hold principle differs from owning/possessing, creates the crisis of reorientation. Scorpio Earth souls must learn to experience their feelings, especially feelings of material resentment, jealousy and emotional bondage. An innate understanding of the natural value of human resources must learned. This resource of human potential must be understood from the standpoint of using people, not abusing people. Should this lesson about human resource not be learned, the Taurean tendencies only subvert deeper. The subverted tendencies appear through the use of others in a negative manner, creating a master/slave relationship.

Legacy - Once cultivated, these seekers become the masters of manipulating others into positive, creative spaces of existence. An understanding of when to intervene and when to not intervene becomes inherent in one’s nature. These individuals may become compulsive, not being able to see waste of a mind or creative potential. They constantly push, shove and work to apply every available resource. A unique ability to invest in the resources of others also evolves. True levels of abundance and prosperity consciousness can and must be taught.

Sagittarius Earth (Gemini Sun)

Lesson - These Earthlings must learn that focus does not rule out necessary pursuits. They sense that there is a lack of freedom of choice when, in fact, a simple level of mental discrimination strives to present choices. Short range planning must be relinquished to the long range projection. Distraction must yield to well disciplined, conscious direction. Simplification must be produced to gain distance, direction and result. Yet, the need to remain responsive to the subtleness of Divine Signaling is necessary so that single mindedness and dogma does not result.

Legacy - The Sagittarius Earth spirit strives to leave behind a sense of direction stemming from their abilities to focus. A directed philosophy results from knowing which needs to pursue and which not. Vicarious learning must be encouraged to prevent redundancy of the human consciousness effort. The value of thoughts and knowing is taught to others.

Capricorn Earth (Cancer Sun)

Lesson - The Capricorn Earth strives to generate an autonomous sense of self which can only be derived from a strong sense of support and foundation. This support initially extends from external sources and the individual resists receiving support (based upon a point of view that he or she renders support only). This unilateral perception must be terminated for the person to evolve to the fullest. Under standing the bidirectional nature of support assists these people in growth. The awareness of assumable responsibility, to take and not to take, must be assimilated.

Legacy - With the Cancer side understood and synthesized, the Capricorn Earth provides others with a quiet, parental type of support which encourages assuming total responsibility for the self; no more and no less. Sharing of support encourages cooperative interactions on all levels of the creative/receptive axis.

Aquarius Earth (Leo Sun)

Lesson - Within the natural Leo association to the Sun this axis assumes a stronger natural emphasis. The goal of the actualized ego bears the fulfillment of humanity, a lesson easier stated than learned. Overcoming the guru syndrome requires great attention and per severance to cause. One must be conscious not to accept unwarranted praise and at the same time remain accepting of praise which is valid. Avoidance of idle flattery and yes-type followers must be included in the growth. Total identity as a unique and persistent individual cultivates some necessary isolationism for the growth process. Courage and commitment of the self requires more effort here than in any other case. One must obtain a strong sense of self that is referenced only to the self. This self referencing frees the ego from superiority/inferiority dynamics.

Legacy - Once actualized, these individuals strive to teach everyone to be who they happen to be and to become that which they strive to be. Courage and commitment are taught hand in hand with respect for the being that one happens to be. The creative process is accentuated, allowing them to exercise a purposeful lead in humanity. A choice must also be taught. That choice is the ability to help humanity from a non-involved point of view or from direct and inclusive involvement. A good example is a hermit who would pray over the dominion of humanity versus the leader who works with a group in the interest of evolution. The difficult choice is individual and must not be transferred to any other entity or oracle.

Pisces Earth (Virgo Sun)

Lesson - To flow in the dimension of experience creates the major lessons of evolvement for these Earthlings. When the Pisces Earth encounters a dynamic of growth, the tendency is to compartmentalize the awareness in an intellectual or academic manner. This is fine as far as the process is understood. The only drawback to this system comes from the integration of the experience. To understand experientially creates a conflict for this sign. Once an experience is assimilated, the tendency becomes to translate the experience in a logical or mnemonic manner. On many levels of experience this is impossible, as no words can formulate a concise enough picture to represent the occurrence. Thus, the individual falls in the position of knowing and not being able to explain. The creative process builds up momentum from such a response, allowing the individual to be manipulated by perplexity into realizing an unrecognized aspect of internal ingenuity. Cognitive dissonance becomes the well known “A-ha!” of under standing.

Legacy - The Pisces Earth person knows how to translate inexplicable experiences into a system of reference, provided that when another person flows into the same stream of consciousness the event will be understood for what it is. A Taoist teaching method arises, allowing great levels of individual creativity to be tapped without compromising the process of logic, yet not allowing the mental to interfere with the flow of creativity. An extremely delicate balance of co-existence emerges guiding the person experientially and logically through all events in life. This balance utilizes every aspect of involvement in life to ascertain more of the process of growth and evolution.

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Below are the integration considerations of the Earth and Moon appearing in the same place from the Sun's point of view. Regardless of one's geocentric lunar placement, seen from the Sun, a conjunction between Earth and Moon results.

Aries Earth/Moon - The nurturing sought by these people asks, somewhat apologetically, for acceptance of the self as is. Acceptance of the self when it is the new, improved version is not sufficient. These people require unconditional love and support for the identity they have right now. Once accepted, these individuals become the best givers in the heliocentric zodiac.

Taurus Earth/Moon - This combination needs support for self- worth. The individuals must be supported for what they are, not what they have, or what they can create with their own intrinsic resources. The value of personal attributes is paramount as is the need for support of the individual’s ability to manifest positive activity and make life happen with ease.

Gemini Earth/Moon - These beings seek support for the attribute of listening. Their purpose of the lifetime requires objective consideration of external input (without that input seemingly invalidating the individual). Support for changing the mind, shifting direction, and changing horses mid-stream is needed.

Cancer Earth/Moon - This is perhaps the most intense of the Earth/ Moon systems. These individuals need support to have the space to cry, laugh, feel and not worry. Rest comes through emotional support and the relinquishment of the need to maintain control. Although resistance is natural when confronted with support, acceptance of support bears great rewards in all aspects of life, most especially the professional realm.

Leo Earth/Moon - To be an altruist and to dedicate one’s life to humanity, much internal strength is prerequisite. Thus, these people require ego support, confidence building and listening to, especially for their most radical and unusual ideas. They need to shine and be emotionally polished by their support group to the brilliant personality luster which results when purpose is pursued.

Virgo Earth/Moon - Support for order without criticism is required by these individuals. It is a tricky balance to integrate the creative and the logical. Encouragement to see the details, facts and processes required to fulfill the fantasy must be supported for these Earthlings. This provides the understanding required to follow inspiration from concept through to completion.

Libra Earth/Moon - These people require support for relating with others on an equal, cooperative level. To support this effort, relation ships with peers become the starting block. Relating above or below the individual’s self-perceived status only serves to complicate issues of fairness. Equality comes from willing giving. To support these people, compliment all externalized generous efforts they perform and establish a system of cooperative giving by asking and receiving.

Scorpio Earth/Moon - Money is not power, nor does money ensure good sexual relationships. These people require support for intense, emotional involvement without external distractions like food, money and things. Performance must be discouraged. Fullness of being needs encouragement. Telling such individuals that they are worthy even if they have nothing takes a step towards the initially incomprehensible and seeds the needed message.

Sagittarius Earth/Moon - Support for the validity of one’s ideas is required. These individuals must teach, in their own way, but cannot deliver this dharma without a realization that their ideas are valid, original and important. Support for thinking (especially out loud or on paper) provides the baseline for allowing acceptance of the importance of the individual’s intelligence.

Capricorn Earth/Moon - Freedom from the responsibility of others sets the scene for support with these Earthlings. Allowing for the Ultimate acceptance of responsibility solicits support. That responsibility results when one accepts conditions in life completely free from what others caused, needed or obliged the individual to do. Seeking and consciously asking for support is best.

Aquarius Earth/Moon - Originality of the human model requires validation to make this placement reach optimum performance. To inspire this person serves everyone. Ego is a temporary condition in which self-ness emerges. It is not to be feared nor denied; ego is intended to be supported fully and completely. “Be like the Sun at midday,” as the I Ching points out. Shine on, fully and completely.

Pisces Earth/Moon - Support for openness to the unseen, unknown and the non-tangible best encourages these individuals into fullness. An ethereal sense mutes the obsession with logic into a creative balance which allows for talent to emerge. This emergence takes ideas and gives them abstract form which ultimately yields a valid, logical result.

posted February 12, 2011 12:30 AM            

He wrote the following in his book, ASTROLOGY A LANGUAGE OF LIFE Volume IV - Relationship Analysis

Tropical = Present Incarnation
Heliocentric = Christ Consciousness or Higher Self

The Heliocentric Zodiac is also infrequently used by astrologers in relationship analysis. This Sun-centered model measures the orbits of the celestial bodies from the Heart of our solar system and generates a horoscope that symbolizes one's Christ Consciousnes, or Higher Self. Can the astrologer compare the Heliocentric chart of one individual against another's Tropical horoscope. Or does this chart, without a Sun position, operate at a level of reality where there are no individual egos, but only Higher Selves serving a larger purpose?

I recommend viewing the Heliocentric nativity as representing all that is virtuous within the individual, as if he were operating from pure Spirit. These horoscopes are calculated using Natural Houses, where 00'00 Aries is rising, and as such, house positions of the planets are transcendental in nature, as they are not bound by an earthly Ascendant or Midheaven. The position of the Earth in these charts is 180 degrees opposite the position of the Sun in a Tropical nativity, as if a reflection of Spirit.

As if there are no retrograde planets in a Heliocentric chart, its life force only goes forward into the future. Since there is no Moon in these charts, no memories from the past can affect the present. Because of their relative distance from the Sun, the superior planets of Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, Neptune or Pluto are just a few degrees from their counterparts in a Tropical nativity. However, the personal planets of Mercury, Venus, and Mars can be found in different signs than in the Tropical chart; and in the case of the inferior planets, Mercury and Venus, these two can be opposite their Tropical positions, if geocentrically retrograde at bith.

It is a spiritual truth that to find God, one must know Love. It is also true that love exists deep within the human heart. If the Sun in astrology symbolizes this heart center, it therefore follows that an astrological nativity calculated from this Spiritual Source of the solar system would symbolize one's capacity for love.

I have seen more exact-to-the degree conjunctions between Heliocentric planets and Tropical Davison or composite charts than between Heliocentric and Tropical nativities. It appears that this synastry shows how the Higher Self connects with one's relationship, rather than how it connects one to another personality. I do not fully understand this phenomenon, but I will share my theory.

When one truly loves another soul, it sometimes feels as if Spirit is expressing love through you directly into your beloved's heart. There is an electrical sensation in one's chest when these sublime moments occur. One temporarily forgets is lower self and it is as if one floats inside the currents of a Love that does not originate with oneself. Perhaps it is so that watery souls are more aware of this merging of one's being with another, yet this kind of love is universal and is felt by all souls.

It is my belief that Heliocentric planets that are exactly conjunct the Davison or composite chart symbolize how spiritual love can flow through the Higher Self of one individual into the physical vessel of a relationship. If the Heliocentric Jupiter of a wife, for example, is in the same degree as the Davison chart Moon for her and her husband, Spirit is flowing through her higher mind, happiness and hopefulness into the home and family which shares with her mate. If the Heliocentric Mars of a husband, for example, is in the same degree as the composite Jupiter for him and his wife, Spirit is flowing through his passion, drive and leadership into the hope, jubilation and happiness which he shares with his life partner.

It is, of course, discretionary for astrologers to even consider using Heliocentric charts when preparing for a synastry analysis. However, clients with spiritual or esoteric orientations will sometimes ask the astrologer how they can more readily access their Higher Self. If asked, the astrologer can then calculate the Heliocentric chart for his client, and compare it with the Tropical composite or Davison charts for the client's marriage. If there are conjunctions, the astrologer can explain how these planets show Spirit-flowing through one's Higher Self into the marriage.

Now keeping in mind what Robert Blaschke wrote,

Sun oppose Sun is the same as Suns conjunct each other's Earths
Therefore, not only do their spiritual love natures flow through each other's higher selves
but they reflect each other's spirits

This can be how opposite sunsigns work
but especially if their Suns are in opposition within 1 degree
then their spiritual love natures STRONGLY flow through each other's higher selves and they STRONGLY reflect
each other's spirits

If they have Sun/Earth alignments with the nodes of objects, they could share a STRONG affinity with each other and be a lot more alike

example

me born on October 29, 1971
Sun in 5'20 Scorpio oppose/conjunct Heliocentric Eris Nodes in 5'30 Taurus/Scorpio
Earth in 5'20 Taurus conjunct/oppose Heliocentric Eris Nodes in 5'30 Taurus/Scorpio

fictional partner born April 26, 1971
Sun in 5'20 Taurus conjunct/oppose Heliocentric Eris Nodes in 5'28 Taurus/Scorpio
Earth in 5'20 Scorpio oppose/conjunct Heliocentric Eris Nodes in 5'28 Taurus/Scorpio

Therefore, my fictional partner and I have our spiritual love natures strongly flow in each other's higher selves and strongly reflect each other's spirits but we share a strong personal connection to collective (Heliocentric Node) diversity,equality,discord matters (Eris)

Robert Blaschke did use the Heliocentric Planetary Nodes in Geocentric/Tropical Chart like Grant Lewi, Carl Payne Tobey, and Dane Rudhyar did.

posted February 12, 2011 12:37 AM            

Thanks for taking the time to do this..

I just got home, and haven't read any of it yet.. BUT I mostly definitely will...

posted September 17, 2019 07:53 AM            

quote:

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Originally posted by specialistangel:
Hellicentric charts are similar to Western charts, except that the moons and starts and other astro celestial bodies are alligned in totally different ways. Supposedly, there are different ways of measuring the orbits theses astro celestial make around the earts and their own orbits around each other and all throught the galaxy. Humans, at this point in time, don't seem to know which orbit is the correct orbit, and yet, Western people seem to use the Western orbits, and the other people, use various other charts.

Is there an astro way to calculate which chart is the correct chart? Which is the correct orbit these astro celestial bodies make around each other and around the earth?

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Not exactly similar, a few planets remain in the same sign, but the others move somewhere else. I have a Capricorn Venus in Western and in Libra in heliocentric

posted September 17, 2019 05:28 PM            

I have many conjunctions between my helio chart and natal chart and a huge stellium in Sagittarius. My God consciousness is very much aligned with this Sagittarius stellium. I love politics and plan on moving overseas soon.

I found that oppositions are also powerful between the tropical and helio chart.

Here is my helio chart:

posted September 17, 2019 06:54 PM            

Sagittarius Earth (Gemini Sun)

Lesson - These Earthlings must learn that focus does not rule out necessary pursuits.
They sense that there is a lack of freedom of choice when, in fact, a simple level of mental discrimination strives to present choices.
Short range planning must be relinquished to the long range projection.
Distraction must yield to well-disciplined, conscious direction.
Simplification must be produced to gain distance, direction and result.
Yet, the need to remain responsive to the subtleness of Divine Signaling is necessary so that single-mindedness and dogma does not result.

Legacy - The Sagittarius Earth spirit strives to leave behind a sense of direction stemming from their abilities to focus.
A directed philosophy results from knowing which 'needs' to pursue, and which not.
Vicarious learning must be encouraged to prevent redundancy of the human consciousness effort.
The value of thoughts and knowing is taught to others.
. . . .

Sagittarius Earth/Moon -
Support for the validity of one’s ideas is required.
These individuals must teach, in their own way,
but cannot deliver this dharma without a realization that their ideas are valid, original and important.
Support for thinking (especially out loud or on paper) provides the baseline for allowing acceptance of the importance of the individual’s intelligence.
. . . .

--Helio placements--

7+ Sagittarius Earth/Moon
.. trine Venus Aries 6+
.. trine Jupiter Leo 5+

Helio chart ruler makes good aspects with everything.