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AquariLe
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posted January 31, 2011 02:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AquariLe     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The reason I'm trying to find out is because I've finally gotten really sick of my patterns in relationships. Shoot, before they're even able to qualify as "relationships"! As soon as it dawns on me that I'm attracted to someone, I go on a very predictable autopilot. First, I think about the guy nonstop, dying to see him again, imagining the conversation, etc. Second, when I actually do see him again, I'm the total opposite of the relaxed/cool/charming/funny woman I want to be. I go total ice princess, very tense, tunnel vision almost but I know exactly where he is like some radar, dying to say something but can't get myself to, and every time he catches me looking at him I immediately look away (like, gee, that's not painfully obvious). I'm almost 29 and I feel like I'm in daggum middle school!! The only time I can interact with a guy I like is when I feel like I have a reason to: I legitimately need to ask him a question or he comes over and begins the conversation. Then I can relax and be funny and enjoy myself. The rest of the time, I'm a frigid robot that can't make a move to save my life. HELP!! I feel trapped in myself! So I went looking at my chart:

I have a stellium of Mars, Saturn, and Pluto conjunct in Libra in my 3rd house. All three are squared Venus, which is in Capricorn at the end of my 5th house (technically 0°0'53" away from being in the 6th). I've researched what the planets in the stellium mean in conjunction with each other and what they each individually mean squared Venus. What I'd like to know is some combination of those questions: ***What would be the cumulative effects of all 3 in conjunction all squared Venus?***

Would this explain the insanely hard time I have relaxing and getting to know guys naturally, despite the fact that I really really want to be able to just chill and have a normal relationship???

I know everything is affected by its aspects to everything else so, further info: Saturn and Pluto are both trine my sun (29°56'55" Aquarius, 7th house) and sextile Neptune (Sagittarius, 5th), though Mars is just barely out of range for either of those aspects ---- and the only other major aspects to Venus are its being conjunct my South Node, trine my MC, and very loosely conjunct Mercury (though Mercury's in Aquarius in the 6th, so different sign and house).

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Lonake
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posted February 01, 2011 12:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lonake     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I dunno...
Do you even have a sense of who you're attracted to?
Look at all your past partners and figure out what they all had in common. Figure out your lil partner profile then work off of that, when you see someone who fits the profile, then he's 99.99% likely to be attracted to you, you can't lose.
If you don't like a certain trait your past men had then just look for a new partner who's like them except for those 1 or 2 things.

I think it's pretty simple and it completely takes away any fear.

PLUS you get to know more solidly what you're about and what you stand for.
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"What I'd like to know is some combination of those questions: ***What would be the cumulative effects of all 3 in conjunction all squared Venus?***

Would this explain the insanely hard time I have relaxing and getting to know guys naturally, despite the fact that I really really want to be able to just chill and have a normal relationship???"

OK Number 1, stop lying to yourself.
There's a part of you that sees relating as intense and deeply meaningful. That's why you pick your prey with so much importance, and that's why you act in sort of a stalker fashion. Just own it. Stop acting like you just want a surface and blah relationship like everyone else. You're just not meant for one. You fear it because you want it so badly. The Aquarius Sun is in conflict with the Capricorn Venus needs for relating. Really conflicted. This is something you'll have to iron out on your own, find a partner with a certain social flair but also with a hell of a lot of depth.

Look at your h7 and Moon relating needs as well.

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lalalinda
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posted February 01, 2011 01:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for lalalinda     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hello AquariLe! Welcome to LL

Your Venus is not at the end of your 5th house, it is just entering the 5th house.

place you hand open in front of you, imagine it to be your natal chart,
in a circular motion moving to the right.
Do you see how the thumb moves from the 1st to the 12th?
Even though the planets are moving forward the Ascendant is moving in the opposite direction otherwise we would count from 30 to 0 when we actually count 0 to 30.

I hope I explained that in a way that makes sense to you.

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AquariLe
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posted February 01, 2011 05:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AquariLe     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@ Lonake - The standout factor that I'm attracted to is intelligence. I want to be in awe of their mind. That's why I fell for my ex-husband. He knew so much, I loved to just (proverbially speaking) sit at his feet and take in everything he said. Beyond that, someone with, I don't know how to put it, a certain "I've got my sh** together" manliness. Maybe that's because of the Capricorn Venus? My moon's in Capricorn, too. And lastly, yes, someone with, as you put it, "a hell of a lot of depth." (...So I'm looking for a Gemini-Capricorn-Scorpio, haha :-p That'd be enough to make my head explode) And I wanted to say that you're right. I *do* see relating as extremely intense and meaningful. Surface relationships suck. I want my soul to connect and become deeply tied to another's. I want it to be inseverable. I want it to last as long as life, to be possessed... But at the same time, I don't want to become trapped and smothered. Aquarius is in definite conflict with Capricorn!!

I guess what I was trying to ask by that question is, I'm just trying to figure out what all the blocks are in me that are getting in my way, and trying to understand them, so I can figure out how to deal with them and make progress, because, right now, I get stuck at the initial attraction stage and freeze. Once I realize I'm attracted to someone, that's it. It's like a mechanism that takes over and I go from being relaxed (with whatever I was doing before) to controlling myself so rigidly (because I'm terrified) that it's impossible to have a relationship because, once my guard goes flying up, I can't get through it *to* relate... and I end up trying so hard to make sure they don't know I'm attracted to them and to act indifferent, that they probably think I'm a total b**** anyway, when in reality I'm just terrified of being vulnerable (and I feel SOOO vulnerable when I realize I like someone, as though there's immediately a neon sign on my forehead announcing it to the world)... so I end up making it super hard to let anyone in. And I was just trying to make sense of it in my chart and I know especially Saturn square Venus has a hindering/restricting effect described like that, so I was wondering if Mars and Pluto on top of the Saturn would drastically compound its effects. Whether the effect is *multiplied* because Mars, Saturn, and Pluto are all conjunct, as opposed to just *adding* the effects of each being square to Venus.

I just want to learn how to keep myself from overprotecting myself so much... and how to stop being so terrified, stop overcontrolling myself, and just *breathe* and say hello. That's what I meant when I said I really really want to relax.

Gah, I'm longwinded and I don't make any sense! Sorry for rambling.

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@ lalalinda - No, I'm confused... ... You're saying that the degrees of a house nearest to the next house is actually the beginning of the house...??? Not the end? Like going through houses backwards? ...?

Just in case a visual will help me. I'm extremely visual.

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lalalinda
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posted February 01, 2011 12:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lalalinda     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes AquariLe, I had a stumbling block here too.
Look at the Ascendant, in order for it to go 0-30 degrees the wheel has to turn to the right because if you turn the wheel to the left you go from 30 to 0.

Planets move to the left (except Rx)
Natal Wheel to the right.

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MJ82
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posted October 05, 2012 03:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MJ82     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I stumbled on this thread as I, too, have this stellium in Libra but in the 8th house. Yes, even worse... and my Moon thrown in there for good measure!

But before I comment on that, I'm not sure I understood Lalalinda's comment about degrees in the natal, but if I did it doesn't sound right: if you look around the chart and its consecutive houses, you're moving COUNTER-clockwise, so the degrees go from 0-30 counter-clockwise (i.e. start at the ASC and move down and to the right).

If you see AquariLe's chart, her Pluto in the 3rd house is right at the end of the sign Libra, and is at 26 degrees i.e. the END of the sign (and by the way, 26 degrees of any cardinal sign is a critical degree classically, and that's also where I have my Pluto). Furthermore, your Venus (as I understand it) is at the end of your 5th, before it moves into your 6th house which is the following house, so it's at the end of your 5th house, not the beginning.

Going back to the original topic though, I recognise most of what you say AquariLe. As I said I have Moon and Mars conjunct in Libra in the 8th, and then a Mars/Saturn/Pluto stellium there too. None of these make a hard aspect to Venus, but I recognise the tension that this can create over getting close to someone, especially when there is a strong attraction. I think the 8th house position of this makes it more intense for me personally. It's like the stronger the attraction, the more vulnerable and tense I feel. I don't know how to advise you to overcome this, because it is a challenge, and something I feel very physically, and yet I want intimacy very much.

It does tend to be less of a problem once I do start to let someone in though... so there is hope!

But this configuration is a very tough one. I'm wondering if anyone has found any useful or positive dimension to it?

One thing I know is that I am great in a crisis and have a lot of tenacity when I need it. That's something I suppose...

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Pisces Sun, Libra Moon, Aqua
Rising, 8th house stellium

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MJ82
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posted October 05, 2012 03:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MJ82     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
http://www.claytentylor.com/astronotes6.html

"Astrologers watch the planets (as they continue on in the sky after a birth) move through the houses of the natal chart. Their movement is counterclockwise as they go from the upper hemisphere (houses 7-12), across the ascendant, (1st house cusp) into the lower hemisphere (houses 1-6), and on around."

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Pisces Sun, Libra Moon, Aqua
Rising, 8th house stellium

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MJ82
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posted October 05, 2012 03:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MJ82     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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lalalinda
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posted October 05, 2012 04:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for lalalinda     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hello MJ82! Welcome to LL

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MJ82
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posted October 05, 2012 11:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MJ82     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by lalalinda:
Hello MJ82! Welcome to LL


Thank you! I didn't notice that you're the moderator! I hope my previous comments don't add further to any confusion. Have I understood how planets move through the natal correctly or did I just misunderstand your comment? I think both I and the OP have ended up confused! O.o

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lalalinda
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posted October 05, 2012 03:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lalalinda     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It is a little confusing
The horoscope wheel moves clockwise
while the planets move counter-clockwise
(except RX)

Fan your hand out in front of you
move it clockwise, this is the wheel
move it counter-clockwise and these are the planets.

if you're still a little confused take your Natal and calculate it for 2 hours after your actual birth and you can observe the changing degrees of the Ascendant and possibly the planets moving to another house.

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Voix_de_la_Mer
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posted August 06, 2014 05:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Voix_de_la_Mer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I can relate to the problems here,
and also have this Saturn/Pluto/Mars configuration in Libra, sq. Venus.

When hurt, it can become all-consuming.

I need to manage this better.
My trust was broken in Nov last year and I still hurt.
I see no way to manage hurt in relationships other than leaving.

I'm on the verge of ending my current relationship and banning myself from romantic relationships,
so if anyone, 2 years later has any advice to share on managing this configuration, I would be very grateful.

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Aries23Degrees
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posted August 06, 2014 06:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
OMG another Mars in Libra!!!! Hey


Well, you have Venus in 3rd and Mars in 6th(interpreted as in 6th house since it is so close to the 6th)

Venus in 3rd- Good at conversing about anything and enjoys it

Mars in 6th- Desires to filter conversation to things that are more specific.

So you are a "flip flopper"? You go from discussing general topics,then discussing the specifics of those, then general, then specifics etc.

So you have the very attracting and attractive Venus in 3rd. No loss for words.

But what stops that? Or gets in the way?

Ahhh yes, you also have Pluto and Saturn in the 3rd house cusp of Libra.


I was telling someone, in another thread, how 3rd house cusp in Libra is socially very sensitive with words, their approach to speech and the tone of voice they use.

Since you have Pluto there, I wonder if you get irritated and annoyed if people do not agree with your point of view or do not see things the way that you see them?

Also, Saturn in 3rd can make one conversationally rigid. This comes from a painstaking focus on how informed they are on the topic at hand.

Saturn in 3rd may also suggest that one restrict eye contact and may even clench up their body-signalling discomfort-Because eye contact and open body language ,in a worthwhile conversation,is an indication that the two parties are "connecting".

Saturn in 3rd does this because they fear being called "stupid","boring" or "uninteresting". So many tend to be very reserved and say much less than they would like to because they are convinced that the person will quickly disengage from a conversation with them anyways and find someone else in the room more "exciting" and attention-grabbing.

Do you have a very soft voice? Do you find that you are interrupted a lot when you speak(which irritates you)? Do you find yourself constantly second-guessed when you say something about a subject? This all can create a fear around speaking and being socially available to others.

Why don't you try being the "listener" instead and contributing when you can? And when it comes to body language, try and make contact with your partner through gentle touching or shoulder rubbing etc.

You don't always have to make eye contact as Pluto in 3rd also suggests that you really don't want people to know that you are looking at them or are obsessing over every little thing they say.

You can try and engage in other ways as to let the other party know that you are interested- instead of being totally aloof.

I have Pluto close to the 7th, Saturn and Venus in 7th.

I have no issues greeting others and being charming-in familiar environments. But I just can't go up to someone I like and chat them up.Just can''t.

I often act indifferent to people I like or become disengaged towards them. I fear that they may not like me as I them and so, as a defense mechanism, I "reject" them before they have gotten chance to know me.

Pluto in 7th is also about trying to hide the fact that I am obsessing about another person.Trying to hide that you are already dreaming of the two of you being live-in lovers- whilst on your first date LOL

But,as you can imagine,when on an angle, this is very difficult to do.So it comes out as if I find them "uninteresting", "boring" I'd rather be somewhere else than there etc. But I don't. I really like them. I just don't want to scare them off with just how into them I really am

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Voix_de_la_Mer
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posted August 06, 2014 06:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Voix_de_la_Mer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Aries23Degree,

I don't think the OP is here anymore.

I replied to this thread to see if anyone had any advice on managing the conjunction of Mars/Saturn/Pluto sq. Venus.

Just pointing this out in case you wonder why OP may not respond.

I should probably have started a new thread. Sorry for any confusion.

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Aries23Degrees
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posted August 06, 2014 07:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Nah. That's okay.

I just wanted to get the information out there to whomever who may benefit from it.

I seem to be on a roll lately. The answers to questions asked come so easily, I can't help but type essays.

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Voix_de_la_Mer
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posted August 06, 2014 07:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Voix_de_la_Mer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
Nah. That's okay.

I just wanted to get the information out there to whomever who may benefit from it.

I seem to be on a roll lately. The answers to questions asked come so easily, I can't help but type essays.


Brilliant.

And there's nothing quite as satisfying as a good essay!

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