posted January 31, 2011 01:57 PM            

I'm kind of putting my toes in the water and thinking bout dating this man. We have known each other for a while (he was a student of mine over 10 yrs ago) I'm really concerned about the age gap BUT more concerned with the non- existent Pluto aspect... plus there is a ton of hard aspect...sigh!

Would one look at the ruler of the 8th for this? Like my ruler of my 8th is Saturn, which is conj his Sun... so this would add some pluto flavor?

posted January 31, 2011 05:11 PM            

aspects involving Pluto's fellow transneptunian dwarf planet/candidates (Eris,Makemake,Haumea,Sedna,Orcus,Quaoar,Varuna,Ixion)

As plutinos,the orbital periods of Ixion and Orcus have a 1 to 2 year orbital difference from Pluto.
Therefore, I'd give the same orb for them that I would give for Pluto. That's 30 minute orb.

The reason why I give much smaller orbs is that I consider the relativity of the orb compared to the length of the orbital period.
The longer the orbital period of transSaturnian objects, the more generational they will be.

Because Sedna has the longest orbital period by far of over 11,000 years, I give a very small orb of 5 minutes. I might even think that it needs to be no more than 1 minute.

I check Right Ascension , the other longitude coordinate for aspects.

Any of these transneptunian dwarf planet/candidates can be involved in relationships of an evolutionary intensified nature and not just Pluto

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posted January 31, 2011 06:01 PM            

saturn is known for making relationships feel extra gluey, but pluto? i think you have to keep in mind , everyones natal charts have their own "pluto" - in the sense that, some people need pluto to stay because their chart understands and craves that energy, and others crave and need other planets, me for example, i need jupiter/uranus/saturn, and even neptune.

unless someones natal personal planet aspects pluto in particular, i don't think all signs of venus for example are even attracted to pluto in a chart (unless pluto rules asc or dsc)

air signs are mental, a air venus for example may not be looking for pluto that much, they love on a mental level,

posted January 31, 2011 06:08 PM            

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pluto is a water planet.[/B]

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If Pluto is a water planet, does that mean all of the transneptunian dwarf planet/candidates are water planets?

Orcus and Ixion are plutinos,and so they have a nature similar to Pluto.
Therefore it would make sense for them to be water planets.

Varuna is named after the Indian God of the Waters
Therefore it would make sense for it to be a water planet.

The most distant Sedna is named after the Inuit Ocean Goddess Ruler of the Underworld,Adlivun
Therefore, it would make sense for it be a water planet.

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posted February 01, 2011 03:45 PM            

The Sun-Saturn can make the Saturn person feel frustrated and rejected, and the Sun person feel judged and restricted.

I think the issue with this synastry is less "will it last?" and more "will it get off the ground as a real relationship to begin with?" It looks like if it did get off the ground and you became a couple for more than 6 months or so, the dynamics could actually be pretty strong for something more long-term--Saturn is gluey, Node and angle stuff is binding. But it also looks like it might not get to that point.

posted February 01, 2011 04:01 PM            

Anyway, I'm still hurting from my last relationship and this is more helping me getting my faith back in love (since I have none). Also, it's kind of the same with him. He just got out of a marriage, which his wife never was really in love with him and he is feeling the same as me- as in not having hope in love. Anyway, he just seems like a good guy and he has had a crush on me since 2002. I thought I would just give it a chance even if it doesn't go anywhere other than it giving us hope that there are some decent people out there! lol.

Also, I was concerned with his Prog Venus being conj his N Sun... which I thought it could mean/show he was ready for a serious relationship, which that's not something I would be able to give. I need some light-hearted fun.

Ami- I kind of looked at the asteroids but I really didn't want to go that far into this when 10 planets are enough to show a theme. I think the relationship is too new to go that far. The only thing that popped up is that my Nessus conj his Moon, and his Deja conj my Merc which is the ruler of my chart.

Glaucus- thanks for your info. it's always interesting. I'm just not there yet and still getting my head wrapped around the 10 plants.

posted February 01, 2011 04:27 PM            

I don't understand why you're posting this particular synastry and asking whether it can "last" unless you have hopes for the relationship that are different from what you've described. Otherwise, why not just post the question with no particular synastry or case study attached to it? Maybe you're conflicted? The synastry does indicate that what you think you want/what you think is going on might not be accurate at the beginning, so try to keep your eyes open and be very, very honest with yourself as things unfold.

To answer the Pluto question generally, I don't think it's a big deal at all. I have some nice long-term friendships without much in the way of Pluto contacts. My romantic relationships--the 14 year one, the 5 month ones, all of them--have all been seriously heavy on the Pluto, but none of them has lasted.

Also--I really think you probably feel the Venus-Pluto in Scorpio as a conjunction, even if it's at a wide orb. It seems like it's playing out already...his trying to turn a crush on a teacher into real-life sex while he is seriously messed up about a divorce, you analyzing your synastry on the internet. The 100 days of Venus in Scorpio this fall would've hit those planets.

posted February 01, 2011 04:59 PM            

The thing is that Pluto is not a planet.
it's an illusive,deceptive,pretender that was discovered when Sun and Neptune were in opposition and contraparallel at the time of the discovery. Which indicated a time of illusion and deception.

Pluto discoverer, Clyde Tombaugh thought Pluto was large as our Earth, and everybody followed along with that.

Then Charon was discovered in 1978, and they were able to calculate Pluto's mass based on Charon. It turned out that Pluto was much smaller than Earth's moon.

It wasn't the Planet X that Percival Lowell hypothesized about.

It was in the early 1990's, astronomers realized the calculate of Neptune's mass was incorrect and that later led to the conclusion that there was no need to look for Planet X.

It was in 1950's that Gerald Kuiper hypothesized a kuiper belt which is a minor planet belt of objects that orbit beyond Neptune. It was in 1991, the astronomers found other objects. Then they started finding considerably big objects after the turn of the 21st Century. Astronomers realized that Pluto was one of thousands of kuiper belt objects. Of course, Pluto was demoted to dwarf planet after Eris' discovery.

Mainstream Astrology is a 20th Century Astrology system in the 21st Century.

Pluto has fellow transneptunian dwarf planets.
Asteroid,Ceres is now Pluto's equal as a dwarf planet.

I believe that these objects warrant some consideration in these modern 21st century times.

We don't need to know that the world of today is more complicated, but I believe that we need to have an astrological system that effects the complicated world.

I don't believe that the mainstream Astrology can do that because it's a 20th century based system.

It's like how there are astrologers that don't use any of the transSaturnian objects because they are set in their ways and set in tradition.

Ironically, Astrology is said to be ruled by Uranus which is the planet associated with change. Most astrologers are resistant about change which makes me think that maybe Saturn should be another ruler of Astrology. It is the traditional ruler of Aquarius.

Just because Pluto is a dwarf planet doesn't mean that it has minor astrological significance. Dwarf planet doesn't not equate to minor astrological influence. Pluto's fellow dwarf planets can have strong astrological influences. They maybe minor in that maybe they require smaller orbs just like minor aspects aren't minor in influence but require smaller orbs.

Can't use size argument to dismiss objects, we threw that argument out the window to argue about Pluto's great astrological influence in spite of it being much smaller compared to the other planets.

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