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Topic: Victims of the Hippie Generation?
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StJake Newflake Posts: 18 From: Registered: Dec 2010
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posted February 02, 2011 12:12 AM
I've seen a recurring theme in charts drawn up from the mid 60's - uranus conjunct pluto opposing chiron.Since these are all slow-moving transpersonal planets, they're generational. But every time I've done a reading they show up in, they indicate molestation or rape by a family member or family friend. Seriously? An entire generation of victims? Can anyone give me other examples of how these aspects might manifest in a natal? IP: Logged |
dysfunctionalmystic Knowflake Posts: 148 From: Registered: Sep 2010
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posted February 02, 2011 04:09 PM
As you already mentioned Uranus and Chiron are generational planets, it happened a lot in the early 70's too (I've got it and I was born in 73) Uranus was overthrown by Saturn, it may be that the opposition in a natal chart is connected to some sort of revolution within the family dynamic. It's too complex for me to go into here but Chiron's wounds are usually impersonal and no ones fault. The abuse will show up elsewhere in the chart and the uranus/chiron may be involved but only as an additional factor rather than the cause. Chiron wasn't really a victim, he was abandoned and rejected but it didn't make him a victim. IP: Logged |
dysfunctionalmystic Knowflake Posts: 148 From: Registered: Sep 2010
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posted February 02, 2011 04:35 PM
This combination will need aspects to personal planets to help it manifest in a natal chart, the outer planets describe what was going on in the world at the time of birth, the 60's were a time of revolution in sex, health care, education, attitudes. Unless these planets get personal there is a minute chance they'll be felt by the individual unless there's a transit highlighting it but these are not personal planets...they make life mythic for some and act as a mere undercurrent for others...you need to look at the personal planet aspects to this opposition to see how it will manifest. hope that makes sense IP: Logged |
Glaucus Moderator Posts: 5504 From: Sacramento,California Registered: Apr 2009
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posted February 02, 2011 04:45 PM
Civil Rights struggles intensified and progress was madeThe Civil Rights Voting Act and Civil Rights Act as well as Loving vs. Virginia Supreme Court Ruling that struck down all anti-racemixing laws. ------------------ A different mind is NOT a deficient mind. Developmental Neurodiversity Association facebook group. http://www.facebook.com/#!/group.php?gid=131944976821905&ref=ts IP: Logged |
Lonake Moderator Posts: 3225 From: U.S. Registered: Apr 2009
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posted February 05, 2011 12:35 AM
Weren't they opp Saturn as well? O that was only for a few yrs.. That opp is a fight against authority. This is the generation of conspiracy theorists extraordinaire. Purists too. They were born when families were disintegrating, being torn apart, lots of parents having a lot of lovers and sleeping in the same bed with their children led to a lot of molestation. It was also a time of war and protests, so in the natal there's an intense emphasis on personal freedom at all cost singling out the conjunction, opp to Chiron in Pisces there's this guilt there, some inborn feeling that they're to blame for the chaos, with Saturn there too there is a fundamental mistrust and lack of compassion, for themselves and for others. So they have to do a lot of work, first and foremost opening up to a spiritual reality & developing compassion for themselves. After that everything else should fall into place. But I don't envy them, no way would I want the Uranus/Pluto conjunction in Virgo.IP: Logged |
blonderiverkat Moderator Posts: 809 From: Tri-State Area Registered: Nov 2010
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posted February 05, 2011 12:48 AM
Why wouldn't you want that aspect Lonake? ------------------ 'Anything and Everything is possible with Anything and Everything' IP: Logged |
Lonake Moderator Posts: 3225 From: U.S. Registered: Apr 2009
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posted February 05, 2011 12:57 AM
Likely due to having 2 outer planets in Sagittarius which is oceans beyond Virgo in terms of understanding the big picture. No way would I want to be mired down in Virgo.IP: Logged |
blonderiverkat Moderator Posts: 809 From: Tri-State Area Registered: Nov 2010
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posted February 05, 2011 01:04 AM
Okay I didn't read the whole post I guess...but my bf has his Uranus and Pluto in opposition to Chiron, was born in 1965...not even close...he has an interest in 'theories' but that's about it... Kat ------------------ 'Anything and Everything is possible with Anything and Everything' IP: Logged |
Lonake Moderator Posts: 3225 From: U.S. Registered: Apr 2009
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posted February 05, 2011 01:17 AM
I would love to hear what Neptune in Pisces brings to these folks.They're just finishing up their mid-life crisis transit of Uranus opp Uranus. Neptune is at home in Pisces which is why I'm even more curious. IP: Logged |
blonderiverkat Moderator Posts: 809 From: Tri-State Area Registered: Nov 2010
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posted February 05, 2011 01:38 AM
Well unfortunately I don't know enough yet to explain it to you...I don't know if he would know what it would feel like...the mid-life crisis transit with uranus interests me though...he has changed alot I know...even since we met 18 months ago...mellowed alot...has gotten very spiritual, we both have...not long after we met a major transformation started taking place...I have my Pluto in Virgo as well, but my Uranus is at 24 Leo, and my Chiron at 27 AQ... Kat ------------------ 'Anything and Everything is possible with Anything and Everything' IP: Logged |
Lonake Moderator Posts: 3225 From: U.S. Registered: Apr 2009
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posted February 05, 2011 02:05 AM
Was this around the time of his Neptune Neptune square.IP: Logged |
Lonake Moderator Posts: 3225 From: U.S. Registered: Apr 2009
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posted February 05, 2011 02:12 AM
Hey now, there's a poster boy for this opposition, Charlie Sheen all over the media, the star of a hugely popular tv sitcom in the US, He has Sun conj Uranus/Pluto and Mars conj Neptune. http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Sheen,_Charlie IP: Logged |
Glaucus Moderator Posts: 5504 From: Sacramento,California Registered: Apr 2009
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posted February 05, 2011 05:06 AM
I checked out Charlie Sheen's chartHe has Sun quincunx Eris with only 4 minutes of arc ego,self expression,vitality in strain with diversity,equality,discord as well as evolutionary intensification Eris is classed as a dwarf planet like Pluto. They are equals in Astronomy. The man has Sun contraparallel Venus with 3 minutes of arc ego,self expression,vitality at odds with love,relationships,values and that aspect is evolutionary intensified His Sun has strong declination aspects to transneptunian dwarf planet candidates
Sun parallel Varuna with 9 minutes of arc so ego,self expression,vitality merges with cosmic order,judgment,justice as well as evolutionary intensification
Venus contraparallel Varuna with 13 minutes of arc so love,relationships,values at odds with cosmic order,judgment,justice as well as evolutionary intensification Sun contraparallel Quaoar with 4 minutes of arc so ego,self expression,vitality at odds with creativity,inspiration as well as evolutionary intensification
Venus parallel Quaoar exact so love,relationships,values merge with creativity,inspiration as well as evolutionary intensification Therefore he had a planetary synchronization of Sun-Varuna contraparallel Venus-Quaoar. That's a very significant pattern, especially with the Sun in aspect to 3 objects. With 2 transneptunian dwarf planets, it's a highly evolutionary intensified configuration.
He has Sun conjunct Haumea with 25 minutes of arc in Right Ascension. That's a strong theme aspect. It indicates his ego,self expression,vitality merge with creativity,fertility as well as evolutionary intensification Haumea is classed as a dwarf planet, and so it is astronomically equal to Pluto and Eris. In total, his Sun aspects 4 transneptunian dwarf planet/candidates, and 2 of the aspects are strong theme aspects Therefore his ego,self expression,vitality are ultra evolutionary intensified I use no more than 3 degree orb for all transneptunian dwarf planet/candidates ,and that includes Pluto. Therefore, I didn't count a Sun conjunct Pluto. He already has Sun aspecting 4 transneptunian dwarf planets including especially Sun conjunct Pluto's fellow dwarf planet, Haumea with 25 minutes of arc. That alone can account for the evolutionary intensification of his ego,self expression,vitality/ He has one of the strongest Makemake influences that I have ever seen His Midheaven/Imum Coeli is oppose/conjunct Makemake with 25 minutes of arc, and so his aim in life/domestic environment at odds/merges with creativity,fertility as well as evolutionary intensification. That's a strong theme aspect that can't be ignored. Makemake also squares his Mars with 23 minutes of arc that fertility,creativity,evolutionary intensification in friction with his assertion,passion,physical drive Makemake is classed as a dwarf planet, and so it's the astronomical equal of Pluto,Eris,and Haumea. The Antivertex/Vertex axis has strong transneptunian dwarf planet/candidate aspects Antivertex/Vertex conjunct/oppose Sedna with 19 minutes of arc and so auxilliary persona/relationships merge/at odds with environmental awareness,caretaking for humanity,victimization as well as evolutionary intensification Antivertex/Vertex oppose/conjunct Ixion with 56 minutes of arc and so auxilliary persona/relationships at odds with/merge with karma,2nd chances as well as evolutionary intensification auxilliary persona/relationships are highly evolutionary intensified His Moon has transneptunian dwarf planet/candidate aspects
Moon contraparallel Haumea with 13 minutes of arc emotional nature,feelings,instincts at odds with creativity,fertility as well as evolutionary intensification Moon quincunx Varuna with 40 minutes of arc. In Right Ascension, it's 15 minutes of arc emotional nature,feelings,instincts in strain with cosmic order,judgment,justice as well as evolutionary intensification Moon sextile Quaoar with 1'57 orb emotional nature,feelings,instincts work with creativity,inspiration as well as evolutionary intensification emotional,nature,feelings are highly evolutionary intensified His Mercury square Varuna with 7 minutes of arc in Right Ascension, and so thoughts,communications are in friction with cosmic order,judgment,justice as well as evolutionary intensification
His Sun is square the Geocentric South Uranus Node in Sagittarius with 34 minutes of arc and Geocentric North Uranus Node with 1'49 orb , and so his ego,self expression in friction with past collective independence,unconventional,innovation His Mars is highly Neptune influenced He has Mars parallel Neptune with 8 minutes of arc, and so assertion,passion,physical drive merge with dissolution,idealism,inspiration His Mars square Geocentric South Neptune Node with 59 minutes of arc, and so assertion,passion,physical drive in friction with past collective dissolution,inspiration I use no more than 5 degree orb for regular aspects involving the regular planets. Therefore, I wouldn't count the Mars conjunct Neptune. His Mars parallel Neptune with 8 minutes of arc is a strong declination aspect, and can easily indicate his actions involving escapism His Venus squares Geocentric South Saturn Node with 14 minutes of arc, and so love,relationships,values in friction with past collective structure,discipline,restriction
His Venus squares Geocentric South Pluto Node with 3 minutes of arc, and so love,relationships,values in friction with past collective intensity,transformation,regeneration Venus square those nodes can be very difficult for love,relationships,and values That's his chart from the 21st Century Astrology perspective.
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Lonake Moderator Posts: 3225 From: U.S. Registered: Apr 2009
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posted February 05, 2011 05:10 AM
There you go Charlie, Glaucus is all over you. You can run but you can't hide.IP: Logged |
Glaucus Moderator Posts: 5504 From: Sacramento,California Registered: Apr 2009
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posted February 05, 2011 05:22 AM
I also checked transneptunian dwarf planet/candidate NodesSun in 11'21 Virgo square Geocentric South Ixion Node in 11'37 Sagittarius Heliocentric Ixion Nodes in 10'27 Gemini/Sagittarius Therefore his ego,self expression,vitaliry are in friction with collective karma,2nd chances
Ixion is a plutino, and so it has 2:3 orbital resonance with Neptune like Pluto. Neptune orbits three times as Pluto orbits the Sun twice.
As a rule, plutinos are named after underworld characters. Ixion's orbital period is only a year apart from pluto's orbital period. Therefore, Ixion is very similar to Pluto astronomically,and so it should be very similar to Pluto astrologically. Ixion has a theme of lust too. Mythical Lapith King Ixion was punished for his lust for Hera. Ixion murdered his father-in-law, and no mortal would purify him. Zeus agreed to purify Ixion and had him as a guest on Mount Olympus. Ixion showed his gratitude by coming onto Hera who told Zeus about it. Zeus tested Ixion by making a fake Hera named Nephele. Ixion mated with Nephele, thinking it was Hera. He bragged about having sex with Hera. As punishment, Zeus had Hermes bound Ixion to a fiery wheel for punishment in Tartarus (where souls were punished in the Underworld). His union with Nephele led to the centaurs being born. They were lusty as their grandfather. Ixion had a 2nd chance but he showed ingratitude by his lust and betraying the guest-host pact. His lack of discernment was also a factor in his ultimate undoing.
The wheel that he spins on is compared to the wheel of birth,death,rebirth. ------------------ A different mind is NOT a deficient mind. Developmental Neurodiversity Association facebook group. http://www.facebook.com/#!/group.php?gid=131944976821905&ref=ts IP: Logged |
Glaucus Moderator Posts: 5504 From: Sacramento,California Registered: Apr 2009
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posted February 05, 2011 05:26 AM
He has the same birthday as my maternal uncle Eddie who was born on September 3, 1961. My uncle is a recovering alcoholic,drug addict. ------------------ A different mind is NOT a deficient mind. Developmental Neurodiversity Association facebook group. http://www.facebook.com/#!/group.php?gid=131944976821905&ref=ts IP: Logged |
Glaucus Moderator Posts: 5504 From: Sacramento,California Registered: Apr 2009
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posted February 05, 2011 05:26 AM
He has the same birthday as my maternal uncle Eddie who was born on September 3, 1960.My uncle is a recovering alcoholic,drug addict. ------------------ A different mind is NOT a deficient mind. Developmental Neurodiversity Association facebook group. http://www.facebook.com/#!/group.php?gid=131944976821905&ref=ts IP: Logged |
rajji Knowflake Posts: 65 From: Hyderabad, A.P, India. Registered: Jan 2011
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posted February 05, 2011 07:03 AM
Here is a link on generational aspects.. I found it very useful. http://users.sfo.com/~eameece/generations.htm IP: Logged |
GypseeWind Moderator Posts: 5046 From: Dayton,Ohio USA Registered: May 2009
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posted February 05, 2011 08:47 AM
cool article Rajji. I am this one.. "The techno-punks," 1963-1969 (Generation X-a) (Uranus conjunct Pluto in Virgo; Neptune in Scorpio) It was said that the "punks" were the hippies of the eighties. This group is free-wheeling, impulsive, clever and resourceful, but more hard-nosed and cynical than the baby boomers were. They grew up in a declining society with little moral direction, and so have been called "the new lost generation" (the old was the group of "seekers" born during the Neptune-Pluto conjunction). They were labeled "Generation X" because they were so unsure of their identity or purpose. Despite having to grow up as "brash, pragmatic, suspicious, skeptical, selfish, sharp-eyed survivalists," this group has enormous creative potential once they find something to believe in. The first children of the computer age, they will undergo many personal upheavals and changes. Great scientists, artists and revolutionary political leaders could emerge from this group. Examples: Lisa Bonet, Kurt Cobain, Gary Coleman, Rob Lowe, Marla Matlin, Sinaid O'Connor, Luke Perry, Jason Priestley, Kiefer Sutherland
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hippichick Knowflake Posts: 596 From: Registered: May 2009
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posted February 05, 2011 11:10 AM
so THIS is what is wrong with me?? or right? tho i am a 1962'er i have pluto oppo chiron, within 1 deg and neptune (my ruling planet) in scorp (in the 12th...) lol! shakes her hippi head! t~~~ IP: Logged |
blonderiverkat Moderator Posts: 809 From: Tri-State Area Registered: Nov 2010
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posted February 05, 2011 01:24 PM
quote: Originally posted by Lonake: Was this around the time of his Neptune Neptune square.
I don't know Lonake...it is all still very new to me, and at that point all I knew was that we were both Libra Suns lol I could answer that question if I knew how? A transit chart? Kat ------------------ 'Anything and Everything is possible with Anything and Everything' IP: Logged |
blonderiverkat Moderator Posts: 809 From: Tri-State Area Registered: Nov 2010
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posted February 05, 2011 01:34 PM
Cool link! This would be me...investigation, and research has always been a natural talent, and I love it... "The baby boomers, part two," 1957-62 (Generation W-c) (Uranus in Leo, Neptune in Scorpio, Pluto in Virgo) This group was too young for the sixties and so are more conventional in their approach to life. They are talented investigators or analysts and provide many of the "yuppie" computer professionals. Most in this group are self-contained, shrewd, secretive, careful, tenacious, calculating and capable. They are more thoughtful, hesitant, reflective and unsure than the elder boomers, but often no less outgoing and exhibitionist (since Uranus is in Leo). In fact, many in this group have already made quite an impression in the show business world. Examples: Scott Baio, Matthew Broderick, Katie Couric, Tom Cruise, Michael J. Fox, Woody Harrelson, Michael Jackson, Madonna, Demi Moore, Eddie Murphy, Donny Osmond, Sean Penn, Prince, Tim Robbins. ------------------ 'Anything and Everything is possible with Anything and Everything' IP: Logged |
blonderiverkat Moderator Posts: 809 From: Tri-State Area Registered: Nov 2010
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posted February 05, 2011 01:36 PM
quote: Originally posted by Glaucus:
He has the same birthday as my maternal uncle Eddie who was born on September 3, 1960.My uncle is a recovering alcoholic,drug addict.
So if he was born in 1960, he has one month on me...and is 9 days older than a very close family member of mine... ------------------ 'Anything and Everything is possible with Anything and Everything' IP: Logged |
Lonake Moderator Posts: 3225 From: U.S. Registered: Apr 2009
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posted February 05, 2011 01:50 PM
Yes transit, the last time Neptune was in square aspect to its natal placement.IP: Logged |
Lonake Moderator Posts: 3225 From: U.S. Registered: Apr 2009
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posted February 05, 2011 01:52 PM
quote: "The techno-altruists," 1914-1919 (Generation U-b) (Uranus in Aquarius, Neptune in Leo, Pluto in Cancer) This group is similar to the previous one, but is more intellectual and more dedicated to social ideals. They were very charismatic leaders or personalities and provided most of the corporate technocrats. They were the knights of Kennedy's "Camelot." Examples: Leonard Bernstein, Walter Chronkite, Jackie Gleason, Paul Harvey, John F. Kennedy, Eugene McCarthy, Robert McNamara, Howard Metzenbaum, Edmund Muskie, Gregory Peck, William Proxmire, Anthony Quinn, Anwar Sadat, Arthur Schlesinger, Pete Seeger, Sargent Shriver, George Wallace (1919), Mike Wallace, Alan Watts, Caspar Weinberger, Orson Welles.
These were my grandparents, I completely adored them. Neptune should be exalted in LEO. The absolute best placement! IP: Logged | |