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kfn327
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posted February 07, 2011 06:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for kfn327     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Can you offer any insights or hope?

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VenusDiSirius
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posted February 07, 2011 07:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for VenusDiSirius     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Saturn sq pluto-cruelty. Add to that cappy moon,it develops through this square... Even sag stellium can be 'tainted'.
She is happy gem,lots of good fire,aries mars,leo venus.. Although,she is a match,with saturn sq mars...
They Seem destructive to me.

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posted February 07, 2011 07:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Betty Boop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
hmmmm He doesn't seem like someone who would be physically abusive. Was this physical?

He could be very verbally abusive in an argument, based on his Sag stellium - and his Sag Mercury in the 3rd house of communication.

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littlecloud
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posted February 07, 2011 08:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for littlecloud     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Please tell me she is no longer in this relationship

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maira
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posted February 07, 2011 08:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for maira     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Pluto smack on the ascendant AND pluto square venus? My guess is that it would override that Sag stellium...
Venus, is it his natal chart you're talking about also? Because Saturn is sextile pluto...

What also seems interesting is the similarity, she has Uranus on asc, and they share nn in scorp. Her fleeing ways drive him over the edge?

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Lotis White
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posted February 07, 2011 10:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lotis White     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Please Note: Since you have already pointed out that the man (Shawn) is abusive, I’m going to analyse his chart from a negative point of view. That doesn’t mean however that everyone who has these aspects will be ‘bad’.

First of all he has Sun conjunct Mars tightly in early Sag. This indicates he may have a very short fuse, that leads to hasty, impulsive, sometimes drastic actions. He has both Venus and Moon in Capricorn. He has a very fiery ego, but he may be emotionally ‘hard’ and unsympathetic. Perhaps he is cruel. Also Saturn, ruling his Venus and moon, is in Leo which may mean he is quite proud, and hates to be offended.

Venus in Cap is squaring his Pluto/Asc conjunction. He may be obsessive and manipulative in his relationships, and have issues with being jealous and insecure. Mercury is exactly conjunct Neptune. He may be one who simply believes what he wants to believe, and may be quite talented and making others believe what he wants them to believe as well… at least for a while. Mercury/Neptune is sextile his Pluto/Asc in Libra. He can be quite charming and persuasive when he wants to be but he may also be prone to dark, suspicious thoughts.

Jupiter in Taurus in the 8th house rules his Sag stellium. While he can be fiery and volatile, he can also be very broody like a Scorp, and narrow mindedly stubborn like a Taurus.

Of course if you told me he acted like an angel, my interp would be totally different. It’s our choice what we do with our energy. His chart also shows the potential to be quite lively and friendly, even pleasant. And he has Jupiter trine Moon. Although the Cap Venus/Moon makes him emotionally brittle, and perhaps a person who hates to admit weakness, he can also be enthusiastically giving and warm in a supportive kind of way.

That’s my 2 cents of ‘shawn’.

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Lotis White
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posted February 08, 2011 12:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lotis White     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
About Erica,

Her Dsc is in Aries with it’s ruler mars also in Aries conjunct her Aries Jupiter, perhaps this is why she attracted a Sag with Sun conjunct Mars. Her Mars/Jupiter is also tightly square Saturn in Cancer indicating that she may swing between extreme optimism and pessimism. It is also reminiscent of his Capricorn placements, and the fact that she may struggle in the area of relationships. Saturn in Cancer is in her 9th house. Perhaps she needs to establish some firm morel boundaries about what is and is not acceptable behavior. She does have a tight Venus/Neptune trine indicating that she is quite sentimental and romantic, and although this is wonderful, and sometimes this may blind her.

About their synastry,

The first thing I noticed is that his Sun/Moon conjunction (3 Sag) in on her North Node at 0 Sag. This indicates that she was meant to learn something from this relationship, even if the relationship has been difficult she has likely learned some important lessons because of it.

She has Sun in Gemini tightly trine Uranus in Libra, indicating that she highly values her personal freedom and the right to march to the beat of her own drum. This trine aspects his Moon/Jupiter trine in Capricorn and Taurus. Her Uranus is square his moon and quincunx his Jupiter. She may have rebelled against him in some way, and perhaps he feels he can’t hold on to her. He may have been very frustrated, or even hurt because of this. Her Gemini Sun is quincunx his Cap Moon, indicating there’s something a little awkward about this relationship. There may be fascination, but also some uncomfortable silences that make one or both of them nervous… it‘s a bit like walking on egg shells when they are together at times.

No relationship is all bad. What probably made them fall in love in the first place was probably her Leo Venus/Sag Neptune trine interacting with his Libra Asc/Pluto conjunction and Sag Mercury/Neptune conjunction. This indicates affection and passion (Ven/Asc/Pluto) mixed with idyllic romance (Ven/Asc/Nep), and sweet words (Ven/Mer/Nep).

She has a Moon/Mercury square nataly in Virgo/Gemini which can give her a hyperactive mind. His Cap Venus trines her Virgo moon, indicating that his warm affectionate side can be a balm for her emotions. And his Saturn in Leo sextiles her Gemini mercury which has a steadying affect on her mind, allowing him to effectively sooth her moon/Mercury square… sometimes.

They also have Mercury opposite Mercury, and his Mercury/Neptune conjunction squares her Moon and opposes her Mercury. They may bicker often, and perhaps there has been some confusion or misleading statements involved in their communication. There may be a vague feeling of mistrust present, and one of both of them is never quite sure where they stand with the other one. This indicates possible lies and deceit.

The only thing I see indicating possible violent abuse is his Venus/Pluto square in Capricorn and Libra, squaring and opposing her Aries Jupiter/Mars Conjunction and Saturn in Cancer square. The orbs are quite wide though, like 4 or 5 degrees, but I’m sure that when transits ect. set this configuration off there may have been some huge explosions in the relationship. They have a grand square in cardinal signs which can have a very powerful impact and is perhaps where most of the danger for violence in this relationship lies.

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VenusDiSirius
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posted February 08, 2011 03:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for VenusDiSirius     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks,maira,i made a mistake. Did it in hurry... In my defence,I really love squares,I see them everywhere!
Pluto/Saturn energy is very specific,it doesn't get camouflaged by rest of chart,by rule,hard-driven,remoseless people,true workers,amazing power of will. But,yes,I have seen it show its ugly side in relationships,regardless is it easy or hard aspect. Interaction is difficult for them,other people are not as commited,extreme,seeing big pictute with goal on their mind. They can put up a lot. The Boy has fire mars,he'd go faster to the breaking point. Water mars: passive-aggressiveness; Earth mars: would endure a lot,and when they'd explode.. Chaos.
Sure,kfn327 made us job easier... If it is true,that he is aggressive,no harm=Focus on that.
Also,I noticed really abusive people with aqua stelliums.

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Quinnie
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posted February 08, 2011 04:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Quinnie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here is another example of what I think can indicate abusive relationship potential...When Venus/Pluto meets someone with Venus/Neptune.
Combine this with Libra,Virgo or Pisces/Sag major influences in the charts and you have a victim/persecutor relationship dynamic potential.

Don't forget how abusive, arrogant or immoral Jupiter can be. As ruler of his sun, Jupiter in the 8th house, with Pluto tight to the ascendant square Venus ...combined with Aries DC, spells big trouble in relationships.

For her, she had Aries DC also, which means she tends to allow others to play out her anger issues for her, or she projects the angry side to her personality onto others. With Mars in the 6th house, she can easuly become serviant to her partner, who might treat her like a slave/maid...In tiher words... this appears to have potential for a sadist/masochistic relationship.

For him, he has definite control issues, (Jupiter in 8th house and Mars in the 2nd)...which can often be channeled quite well into career, although mom might hold him back. When you apply these same influences to relationships it spells trouble.

For her she needs to get inner strength, to learn to embrace her own anger, her own ugly dark side...

I really think there are two kinds of females...
maidens
and Queens
and only one kind of male...
Kings.

I know that's a large generalisation but this metaphor put to your friend might help her to see, that she is being a maiden and she needs to become a queen.


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