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Ami Anne
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posted February 09, 2011 03:58 PM
  
I want to throw out a theory.
IQ told me so it is not my own lol
Nessus is the energy of abuse as would happen in a rape.It is amoral abuse.Nessus takes what it wants from a person without regard for that person at all.
Child abuse would be the perfect picture of Nessus cuz the child has no power and cannot resist.
If someone's Nessus hits your chart in a powerful way,you will relive abuse.
You will have the same feelings come up as you had at the time.
They can leave,then.
The feelings from abuse are locked in the body.
They are locked in the right side of the brain.
They come out as feelings,not thoughts.
If you let them come out,you will heal.
You will know what the feelings mean cuz thoughts will attach themselves, later.
In time,I think you can be totally healed from abuse in this way--totally normal.
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Ami Anne
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posted February 09, 2011 04:04 PM
Please share any stories of Nessus in synastry.
Thank you !------------------
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Lucia23
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posted February 09, 2011 04:09 PM
Ami, how would this play out for someone who has never been abused or an abuser? (Given that 100% of people have Nessus in their charts!) Are there other expressions/manifestations of Nessus in synastry?In the natals I've seen, the people with strong Nessus have been abused or abusive...but just statistically, in synastry those who are neither abuse victims nor perps will have their Nessus touched by many people in the world, so I'm wondering if there's a flip side to Nessus? IP: Logged |
Lucia23
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posted February 09, 2011 04:20 PM
In my most recent relationship, we had SERIOUS Nessus stuff happening. It was not abusive, but the relationship did bring up traumatic memories for me about my troubled relationship with my mother, and showed how urgent it was that I change my patterns with her and with an ex I'm overinvolved with in the present. It showed me where I was too wounded to really inhabit and enjoy and open my heart to a real relationship that had healthier patterns than I was used to. It makes me so sad that it didn't last. I don't know whether it brought up any issues for him. I think it might have brought some big life decisions to a head for him, and issues around pressure from his father. We have, at less than a 2 degree orb, many at 0 degrees:
-his Nessus conjunct my Venus
-his Nessus square my MC
-his Dejanira conjunct my Chiron
-his Dejanira opposite my Uranus
-his Pluto square my Venus
-his Pluto trine my Nessus
-his Pluto conjuct my MC
-my Nessus opposite his Neptune
-my Nessus conjunct his NN
-my Dejanira conjunct his Sun The breakup was the worst I've ever taken a breakup. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted February 09, 2011 04:39 PM
Well, to answer your first question about Nessus--How does it play out in the charts/synastry of people who were not abused?
Nessus is the energy of rape/abuse with no thought for another.
We,all ,have the capacity to abuse in a totally selfish way.
Each planets/asteroid provides a certain type of energy.
Some people will be asked to deal with one energy more than another.
Some people are bowled over by Saturn,for example.
Others have a mild dose.
However,everyone has to learn the lessons of Saturn i.e discipline/responsibility.
Everyone must comes to terms with the abuser energy i.e. the Nessus energy.
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Ami Anne
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posted February 09, 2011 04:50 PM
I will talk about Deja cuz it is partnered with Nessus.
Deja is the asteroid of submission . Deja would get raped and lie there.She would not fight back.
In the natal chart, a "badly placed Nessus could go either way on what it does to the person.
Nessus conjunct the moon in Popcorn,that dear person,is used to go deep in to 8th house areas and provide comfort and solace to people.
When I have been struggling in deep,hard ways,Popcorn has the courage to come alongside and hold my hand 
The reason is that she has faced deep ,hard parts of herself and so she is not afraid of them.
If a person is afraid of their own Nessus, they will push down another person who is struggling with 8th house issues.
That is at the root of bullying,I think.
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Ami Anne
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posted February 09, 2011 04:56 PM
Some criminals have a strongly placed Nessus such as Nessus conjunct the Moon/Sun etc.
The rest of the chart could indicate how the person will use Nessus,for good or bad.
However, free will would trump all,I think
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Ami Anne
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posted February 09, 2011 04:58 PM
Deja in the natal seems to point to being victimized.
If you have Deja conjunct the ASC or Venus,for example,the person will have to deal with being victimized,I think.
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Ami Anne
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posted February 09, 2011 05:01 PM
Here is another twist. I have Deja conjunct Pluto.
IQ told me that I would stand up for myself cuz of this placement.
I may appear weak but if I am pushed too far,I will whack someone  ------------------
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Ami Anne
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posted February 09, 2011 05:01 PM
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Lucia23
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posted February 09, 2011 05:07 PM
But this thread is about synastry, yes?I definitely agree about Nessus/Deja in the natal. Someone I know has a tight Nessus-Saturn conjunction in the 8th...his father was very violent with him. In the natal, Nessus and Deja in tight conjunction to planets will show struggling with those issues...it might be different in synastry between two people with weak Nessus and Deja in their natals, though. Say, they both have those asteroids relatively unaspected natally, but then in synastry they're activated. I think the natal shows much more--someone struggling with violence natally will struggle with it in ALL his/her relationships. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted February 09, 2011 05:13 PM
I am getting to synastry,Lucia.Didn't you ask about the natals ,too ?------------------
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Lucia23
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posted February 09, 2011 05:18 PM
No, I said: "In the natals I've seen, the people with strong Nessus have been abused or abusive...but just statistically, in synastry those who are neither abuse victims nor perps will have their Nessus touched by many people in the world, so I'm wondering if there's a flip side to Nessus?"So, there must be a flip side to Nessus/Deja other than violence, abuse, victimization....because 100% of people will have Nessus-Deja falling into each other's houses in synastry, and not as many will ever be victims or abusers...so there has to be other ways this plays out, too. Like with Neptune--it doesn't mean drugginess in every chart. It can manifest as spirituality, dreaminess, merging with the universe, romantic idealism, musicality and also delusion, addictions, escapism...sometimes a combination, but sometimes just one octave or manifestation. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted February 09, 2011 05:19 PM
I disagree in a way ,Lucia.I think you can have a weak Nessus in the natal as I do.
I am not an abuser type.I have bullied people ,as a jerk, very rarely,in my life.
We,all ,are jerks at one time or another so no one can say that they never are.
However,I am not a bully type.
My Nessus does not do anything in my chart. It is at 20 Taurus and does not aspect anything.------------------
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Ami Anne
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posted February 09, 2011 05:24 PM
However,when my Sun got aspected by someone's Nessus in synastry, all the feelings of pain from my childhood came out.
It has taken me months to get enough objectivity to see this.
When YOUR planet is aspected by someone's Nessus,you can heal.
It is like Primal therapy.
Primal therapy tears off the persons defenses.
The book "The Primal Scream"describes it.It is the only therapy that makes sense to me.
Our defenses are CAUSING our problems.They are making us neurotic or psychotic.
We built them in order to survive. You have to be very careful about taking them down cuz the person could freak out.
That happens sometimes with drugs. The defenses come off too fast and the person kills themselves.
Some people have committed suicide after Primal Therapy.
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Ami Anne
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posted February 09, 2011 05:26 PM
With that being said Nessus allows the defenses to come off.
In a natural setting such as a relationship ,most people are safe from dire consequences like suicide.
In Primal Therapy, the defenses are pulled off fast and in a more artificial way.------------------
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Lucia23
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posted February 09, 2011 05:26 PM
Right, what I'm saying is:In NATAL, you can have a weak Nessus or Deja that shows you don't manifest, express, or encounter much of that asteroid's traits...or a strong one that shows that you will deal with those issues, they'll be prominent in your life. In SYNASTRY, 100% of people have Nessus and Deja falling into each other's houses...even if those asteroids are very very weak in their natals, showing that issues of violence and/or victimization are not emphasized in their lives. So there has to be some other meaning for Nessus/Deja in those synastries...for people who are never violent or abused at all, those asteroids in synastry will touch them in a different way. Edited: sorry, you posted a couple of others while I was writing this, this is just a response to the first one. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted February 09, 2011 05:28 PM
To sum it up,if someone's Nessus touches a prominent place in your chart in an exact aspect, you will be hurting.
They may not abuse you but you will experience YOUR abuse by the feelings being released from Nessus touching you.PS This is just my take on it. I am not saying I am right.It is my experience,only ------------------
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Ami Anne
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posted February 09, 2011 05:34 PM
Well,Lucia, I suppose that we all have been abused to some degree or another just by life and other people.
So,I think that if someone's Nessus touches you in a strong way,you will relive your abuse, whatever that may be.------------------
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posted February 09, 2011 05:35 PM
That makes sense Ami, in the case of that synastry I posted above, with his Nessus exactly on my Venus, it really touched the pain I have associated with that planet.IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted February 09, 2011 05:52 PM
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Originally posted by Lucia23:
In my most recent relationship, we had SERIOUS Nessus stuff happening. It was not abusive, but the relationship did bring up traumatic memories for me about my troubled relationship with my mother, and showed how urgent it was that I change my patterns with her and with an ex I'm overinvolved with in the present. It showed me where I was too wounded to really inhabit and enjoy and open my heart to a real relationship that had healthier patterns than I was used to. It makes me so sad that it didn't last. I don't know whether it brought up any issues for him. I think it might have brought some big life decisions to a head for him, and issues around pressure from his father. We have, at less than a 2 degree orb, many at 0 degrees:
-his Nessus conjunct my Venus
-his Nessus square my MC
-his Dejanira conjunct my Chiron
-his Dejanira opposite my Uranus
-his Pluto square my Venus
-his Pluto trine my Nessus
-his Pluto conjuct my MC
-my Nessus opposite his Neptune
-my Nessus conjunct his NN
-my Dejanira conjunct his Sun The breakup was the worst I've ever taken a breakup.
I am gonna think about this,Lucia,and come back and ask you questions IF you are game.Let me know LOL ------------------
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posted February 09, 2011 06:41 PM
Where did you get your info on Nessus indicating abuse? According to Sedgwick's site Nessus negative keywords are: quote:
Negative - coveting, possessive, jealous, vengeful, manipulative, resorting to negative alchemy for personal gain, negative use of sexual energy.
On the other hand Sedna is an indicator of abuse:
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Negative - victimization, abuse, being deceived, history of betrayal, bitterness, “gold digging” attitude in relationship, transfers blame to others, numbs out, goes unconscious.
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Ami Anne
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posted February 09, 2011 06:48 PM
I made it up myself  Actually,it was taken from various threads and myself lol ------------------
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posted February 09, 2011 06:52 PM
Well you could try comparing Sedna and see what you come up with? Nessus definitely has some similarities with Neptune though. IP: Logged |
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posted February 09, 2011 06:58 PM
Natally, I'm curious what Nessus one degree from your ascendant would represent? I just looked at mine for the first time and that's where it's at, and Deja is in my 5th along with my Moon and NN IP: Logged |
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