posted February 11, 2011 08:52 PM            

If you have a very close Chiron aspect in your natal chart (maximum of 3' orb for a hard aspect, 0-1' orb for soft aspects) - Has someone who could be represented by that planet in your life -- passed away?

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posted February 11, 2011 09:07 PM            

In 2008 it was their adored grandfather, 2006 was 2 close uncles...2005 was a cousin, at 27...they lost their sister in 1988, and a Grandmother in 1985...there was also an infant cousin in 1982...not to mention a few close friends/non-blood related family members...my kids have had to face death at a very young age...and Chiron seems to be strongly aspected in all of our charts(the kids and I)...

Kat

posted February 11, 2011 09:11 PM            

my one grama is alive though and she's in her 90s

posted February 11, 2011 09:47 PM            

Transiting Chiron in 17'36 Scorpio
conjunct my Chart ruler Mercury in Scorpio in 3rd

Transiting Pluto in 7'30 Sagittarius in 3rd
conjunct my 4th house ruler Jupiter 8'17 Sagittarius in 3rd

Pluto's fellow transneptunian dwarf planet/candidates were making more significant aspects though

Transiting Makemake in 14'00 Virgo R
conjunct/oppose my Ascendant/Descendant in 13'27 Virgo/Pisces

Transiting Varuna in 5'35 Cancer R in my 10th
trine my Sun in 5'20 Scorpio in 2nd
trine my Ixion in 5'25 Scorpio in 2nd

Transiting Ixion in 2'58 Sagittarius in my 3rd
oppose my Varuna in 3'01 Gemini R in 9th
square my Moon in 3'11 Pisces in 6th

Transiting Orcus in 19'05 Leo R in my 12th
square my Mercury in 18'21 Scorpio in 3rd

Transiting Eris in 18'09 Aries in my 8th
quincunx my chart ruler Mercury in 18'21 Scorpio
semisquare my Moon - '01 applying

Transiting Haumea in 5'32 Libra in my 1st
trine my Saturn in 5'08 Gemini in 9th

Pluto and its fellow transneptunian dwarf planet/candidates are evolutionary intensified lessons

I was in a ultra evolutionary intensified period at this time

Both of my luminary-transneptunian dwarf planet/candidate aspects got a transit aspect by a transneptunian dwarf planet/candidate

It would be a double focus personal Ixion-Varuna transit
for Varuna was aspecting my luminary-Ixion aspect and Ixion was aspecting my luminary-Varuna aspect

The transiting Ixion semisquare Eris (0'11)
was in 8th harmonic quadrilateral with my Moon square Varuna (0'10) which can be viewed as being a stressful time.

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posted February 11, 2011 10:34 PM            

My friend has a Chiron/Mercury conjunction in natal and he lost his sister, when they were both in their early 20s. this was extremely painful for him.

I don't like to compare deaths.. but the truth is that some deaths are more painful than others. If a person who is 80/90 years old dies of old age or of a chronic illness that everyone was aware of.. it is almost 'expected'. Even though you miss the person, it is not so traumatic.

Glaucus - It's strange that Mercury was activated of all things..Why do you think this is?
I would've associated Saturn with grandparents.
I'm very sorry to hear he died this way

posted February 11, 2011 10:56 PM            

It wasn't just Mercury being activated though. Mercury is my chart ruler as I already pointed out. I have Ascendant in Virgo. My Midheaven is in Gemini.

Transneptunian dwarf planet/candidates were aspecting my Sun,Moon, Ascendant

I had a t-square involving a transneptunian dwarf planet/candidate

I had a double focus Varuna-Ixion transit
That can't be dismissed because I have very strong luminary aspects involving both Varuna and Ixion and were getting close transits by Ixion and Varuna respectively.

My Moon was under increased major evolutionary intensification

It wasn't just transiting Ixion square my Moon. Pluto's fellow transneptunian dwarf planet Eris was semisquare my Moon with only 1 minute of arc. It was almost an exact transit. Semisquare is an 8th harmonic aspect. It's half a square. A square is associated with friction. A semisquare is associated with minor friction. A semisquare that's almost exact can be more significant than a square with an orb that is relatively wide.

Ixion and Eris were both aspecting my Moon square Varuna to form an 8th harmonic quadrilateral transit which can indicate a time of stress.

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posted February 11, 2011 10:58 PM            

Who came up with that stuff??

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posted February 11, 2011 11:12 PM            

I wasn't sure where to put children.
Pluto is connected to birth- reproductive sex - death.. It seemed like the right place.
I know the 5th house is connected to children.. and sometimes the signs of Cancer and Leo - so that could also be an option.

Also - I thought people whom you had sex with for the purpose of reproduction and brought a child into the world *with* -- would be in some way represented by Pluto...
Wouldn't that make sense?

posted February 11, 2011 11:45 PM            

Pluto has two fellow transneptunian dwarf planets (its astronomical equals) that are actually named after fertility creation deities

Haumea is named after the Hawaiian Fertility Creation Goddess

Makemake is named after the Rapanui Fertility Creation God

both named after Polynesian deities that were fertility creation deities

In Vedic Astrology, Jupiter is the significator for children. I find that interesting. I wonder if it works in Western Astrology. Of course, they view the Sun as the father and the Moon as the mother. They never viewed Saturn as the father. It made me wonder how did Western Astrologers come up with Saturn as the father. I guess that it may happen to do with Saturn as the ruler of the 10th house. The Sun as ruler of the 5th house doesn't fit for father like Moon as ruler of the 4th house fit with mother.

However, some astrologers like Liz Greene believe 10th house is associated with mother and 4th house is associated with father.

Interestingly, Northern Indian Vedic Astrologers view 9th house as the father, and Southern Vedic Astrologers view 10th house as the father. The Northern Vedic Astrologers view the father as the guru (teacher).

Asteroid Dwarf planet Ceres (an astronomical equal of Pluto,Makemake,Haumea) is the asteroid associated with nurturing as well as the mother. Ceres was known as an earth mother. It is associated with reproduction too.

The only reason Pluto is thought to have have to do with reproduction is because it's the modern ruler of Scorpio and 8th house.
Other than that, the mythology doesn't fit with Pluto as reproduction.

Furthermore, Ixion and Orcus are plutinos which means that they have 2:3 orbital resonance with Neptune just like Pluto does. Therefore, they were given the names of Underworld characters. That's the naming rule for plutinos that astronomers came up with. The orbital periods of Ixion and Orcus are only a year apart from Pluto's. Their orbits are very similar. If they are astronomically similar, then they have to be astrologically similar too.
Therefore if Pluto has to do with reproduction and sex, then Orcus and Ixion does too. In the mythology, Ixion was a mortal king that was actually punished for his sexual advances towards Hera and he had sex with a fake Hera and bragged about it. Zeus punished by bounding him to a fiery wheel in Tartarus (the Hell of the Underworld). Ixion and Nephele (fake Hera) lead to the birth of Centaurus who mated with a wild mare which led to the Centaurs being born. The centaurs were known as being lusty as their grandfather Ixion.

Orcus is named after the Etruscan God-Ruler of the Underworld. He is the Etruscan counter part of Pluto. He punished people for breaking their oaths.

any ways, Ixion and Orcus could be argued to have strong astrological similarities to Pluto based on its astronomy

Pluto was thought to be unique any way because it's very small, a transneptunian and kuiper belt object, very eccentric orbit, has a very high inclination from the ecliptic.

Now we know that it's not that unique. It's not unique in our solar system, but it's still unique compared to the planets.

Pluto has its brothers, plutinos like Ixion and Orcus. It has many cousins - many kuiper belt objects. You could say distant cousins are the transneptunians that aren't kuiper belt objects like Eris and Sedna.

Knowing this, it's really hard to go with the astrological status quo and so I re-think what I have learned in Astrology which is based on 20th Century findings to consider the 21st century findings that reflect our 21st century times.

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posted February 12, 2011 12:42 AM            

Chiron/Moon - mother
trine by 2 orbs
my mom left and moved away when I turned 19

Chiron/Mercury - sibling
trine by 2 orbs
Im an only child

Chiron/Saturn - grandparents
sextile by 1 orb.. G.father died before I was born.. I moved away from my G mom at age 6.

Chiron/Uranus - friend, acquaintance
Opps 2 orbs no..

posted February 12, 2011 12:48 AM            

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Originally posted by Lioness:
Chiron/Sun - father
trine 1 orb
I never met my father

Chiron/Moon - mother
trine by 2 orbs
my mom left and moved away when I turned 19

Chiron/Mercury - sibling
trine by 2 orbs
Im an only child

Chiron/Saturn - grandparents
sextile by 1 orb.. G.father died before I was born.. I moved away from my G mom at age 6.

Chiron/Uranus - friend, acquaintance
Opps 2 orbs no..

Mine are the easier aspects, they didnt maybe that means its not a great loss, or you dont really feel the loss.

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posted February 12, 2011 01:22 AM            

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Originally posted by roadwarriorsdp:
You're like my mom then, able to heal with a word, she lost her parents early as well, not as early as you but early enough....i'
d imagine you are a pretty amazing person in real life.

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Ahhh RW. your so sweet..

posted February 13, 2011 03:53 AM            

If you have Chiron in aspect to the astro celestial planets, it shows what kind of Chiron you have. Like, if you have Chiron in aspect to Mars, you would be wounded in the way you fight, and then you would look to see where this wounded fighting issue is located, in which house. So, if it's a wounded fighting Chiron in the 6th house, you would be woundedly fighting at work, or else towards your health and healing, or else during your every day daily routine, just day to day ordinary stuff.

posted October 31, 2011 03:58 PM            

I have a Sun-Chiron square, 2 degree orb, and my father separated from me when I was eight, we haven't seen each other since, he's pretty much dead to me.

My own mother has a 3* Sun-Chiron square and her father passed away when she was 19, bringing her a lot of problems with his death.

posted October 31, 2011 04:17 PM            

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posted October 31, 2011 04:26 PM            

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Originally posted by Betty Boop:

Chiron/Moon - mother

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No, and the conjunction also takes place in the 8th which is another indication for this happening.

posted October 31, 2011 07:31 PM            

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Originally posted by Betty Boop:
Blonderiverkat - hard aspects are: conjunctions, oppositions, squares... easy/soft aspects are: sextiles and trines.

Some people take the conjunction to be both easy and hard though.

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posted October 31, 2011 07:41 PM            

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it's a completely neutral aspect and purely a blending of the two planet

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