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blonderiverkat
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posted February 15, 2011 06:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for blonderiverkat     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Can someone give me an example as to what a 'compensating influence in the 7th or 8th House' would be? Please? Thank you..

Unless there are compen­sating influences in 7th or 8th Houses, 11th House people frequently appear to be less loyal to lovers and family - other than children - than they are to friends. Children will be encouraged to become friends and equals as soon as possible...

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posted February 15, 2011 06:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lonake     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
moon saturn pluto therein, venus possibly
h7 or 8 ruler well placed
signs like taurus, cancer, scorpio, cap, solid stable traditional influences on the cusp or the sign of the ruler
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posted February 15, 2011 07:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lonake     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm hesitant now to add Moon since whatever house it's in fluctuates but as for emphasis in seeking that influence (7 or 8) through relating, reflexively, then I think it counts..I just wouldn't call it exactly stable. But a major life focus is on personal relating.

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posted February 15, 2011 08:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for blonderiverkat     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So lonake...if this were A's chart, and in synastry, B's Moon(Taurus) were in A's 7th House...could that have some impact? I hope that makes sense! lol

Thanks btw

EDIT: Also A's 7th/DESC conjuncts B's IC within a few hours, if that helps!

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posted February 16, 2011 12:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lonake     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It makes sense, but the passage you quoted is tied to natal, and your Q is tied to synastry.
The natal passage basically gave the Sun 11th house person Aquarian Sun traits.

Angle connections are very good, in bringing together 2 people, they may like it or not, but there is something that brings them together, they take notice.
Dsc/Ic you could look at as a Moon/Venus contact which is warm and caring, nurturing, supportive.

The other's Moon in Taurus squares the house energy of the Sun 11 person, but Moon in the 7th does have impact. There are some threads on that contact if you do a search here.

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posted February 16, 2011 12:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for blonderiverkat     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I guess I could have worded my question differently...I was just wondering if those aspects in synastry could perhaps make a difference on the affects of the 11th House person, in regards to that passage...I am learning, and thanks so much for the input, once again!

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posted February 16, 2011 01:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lonake     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ok could be reading wrong but the passage basically stated the native puts friends first before all others, so if someone's putting their Moon in this person's 7th, that could be a good start to friendship, which could lead to more. Or maybe Sun h11 person if female would be drawn to a more love at first sight situation, depends on the natal. Male with sun h11 wouldn't be as strong of an influence pertaining to partner.
I geddit, I get watcha mean, but the natal passage just means they put their friends first, it's not a bad thing if that's what they do..it'll just be 1 factor that gives them a more free spirited approach.

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posted February 16, 2011 01:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Betty Boop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well I have an 11th house Sun...
I consider my family - friends LOL
So my answer to this is:
"huh? I don't understand the distinction."

I am basically the same in behaviour with all my friends (including family members who I see as friends).

The only people who are *closer* to me - in this equation - are my mum who is more like a *best* friend, two GFs who again are very close to me and a guy friend (who is closer than other guy friends I have)... and that's *it* -- Other than these 4 people - everyone is equal in friendship lol

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posted February 16, 2011 01:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Betty Boop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
OH And... This is funny... They mentioned - 'lovers'..

Well - I see my lovers and ex-lovers as *friends* also...

My Venus is in the 11th as well lol

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posted February 16, 2011 01:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Betty Boop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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the natal passage just means they put their friends first, it's not a bad thing if that's what they do..

I think an 11th Sun - (as much as an Aquarius Sun) is *fair* about this - in the sense that - if you treat them well, if your personalities gel and you have a good mental connection... It really does not matter whether you are a family member or not -- They will consider you a friend. They will invite you to their parties.
An Aqua person or 11th Sun person will not be embarrassed to invite their 50/60 year old uncle/grandpa/mother etc. to their 21st birthday party... If this is a person they LIKE and see as a friend (does that make sense?).

However, if you do not get along -- If you have upset the Aqua/11th house person in some way (mainly if you tried to inhibit their freedom, if you budded into their lives, if you were too emotionally disruptive or dramatic) - so basically -if your personalities always clash and this is a bumpy and difficult relationship... the Aqua/11th Sun person will distance themselves -- It would have no bearing on their decision that you are family.
They don't have the staying power of Scorpio/Cancer/Capricorn/Taurus in this sort of situation - They simply don't 'rough it out' purely because you are 'family'.. This has no value to them imo

I have a Cap Moon in the 8th house and Mars/Neptune on DC -- and I still feel this way ^^

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posted February 16, 2011 01:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for blonderiverkat     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks guys...the question is pretty much this...if the Sun(Libra)in 11th person were in a committed relationship...do you see him/her putting his friends before his partner? Or do you think it would depend on how serious they are?

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posted February 16, 2011 01:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Betty Boop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
umm They wouldn't put their friends before their partner.. But they also wouldn't put their partner before their friends.
imo


This is what I'm like ^
It's also what my ex Libra is like -- He has Sun in the 11th as well. We have opposite Ascendants.

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posted February 16, 2011 01:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lonake     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Cos they're allll friends, right?
No one is that special

or am I just burned?

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posted February 16, 2011 01:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for blonderiverkat     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Lonake:
Cos they're allll friends, right?
No one is that special

or am I just burned?


Really..interesting...so it's just an eeny meeny miney mo with life partners/spouses? I guess I am just old fashioned and spoiled...lol I have always been put first, aside from children of course...that's just the way I was trained! lol

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posted February 16, 2011 02:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Betty Boop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Lonake LOL

I see everyone as different - even though my Neptune side has the "we're all one" record playing in the background.
But I'm very aware of people's distinct personalities.. what they like/dislike, love/hate - what makes them tick, what makes them happy, what's going on in their lives, their cultural differences, their astrological differences, their diverging spiritual beliefs, the experiences they have gone through/ their past history. I have a good memory.

I really like everyone for who they are... and because they are all so different - my feelings towards them are different as well.
Actually 11th Suns have this awesome (but horrible) habit of befriending SUCH entirely different people... that when all these people get together it's a social disaster lol

But I LOVE diversity... and I love people for their differences. I think they are all special in their own way (as horribly cliche as that sounds.. you wont like me saying that -- Miss Aquarius Mercury LOL)

Even though I don't see the man I am in love with as being "above and beyond" my friends.. The way in which I care for him - is a way in which I will never care for one of my friends.
Maybe that's confusing.

I can't compare basically... You shouldn't feel less "special".
*He* (I'm assuming it's a he...?) felt something FOR you - that was only between YOU TWO.

:edit" blonderiverkat ^^^ This rings true for you also.
I think it's a Cancerian reaction maybe to feel less loved, if you are not differentiated from the person's friends..
But this is just an Aquarian way of being fair.

Imagine a different situation where you were good friends with a person (lets say it was a guy).. and he had an 11th Sun..
You really valued his friendship.. He was a part of your life for a long while, but you were not romantically interested in each other.
Now lets say his new romantic partner had a problem with your friendship and she wanted him to cut all contact with you and never see you again.
Would it be fair for him to do that, in your opinion?

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posted February 16, 2011 02:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for blonderiverkat     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Betty Boop:
OH And... This is funny... They mentioned - 'lovers'..

Well - I see my lovers and ex-lovers as *friends* also...

My Venus is in the 11th as well lol


I remained friends with all of my exes too betty...a couple are not that close, considering they were very abusive, I feel they are lucky that I am so forgiving! My kids father and I remained civil, very much so at times...we were together for 20 years...he recently passed, and I was right there, with he and the family...

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posted February 16, 2011 02:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for blonderiverkat     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Betty Boop:
Lonake LOL

I see everyone as different - even though my Neptune side has the "we're all one" record playing in the background.
But I'm very aware of people's distinct personalities.. what they like/dislike, love/hate - what makes them tick, what makes them happy, what's going on in their lives, their cultural differences, their astrological differences, their diverging spiritual beliefs, the experiences they have gone through/ their past history. I have a good memory.

I really like everyone for who they are... and because they are all so different - my feelings towards them are different as well.
Actually 11th Suns have this awesome (but horrible) habit of befriending SUCH entirely different people... that when all these people get together it's a social disaster lol

But I LOVE diversity... and I love people for their differences. I think they are all special in their own way (as horribly cliche as that sounds.. you wont like me saying that -- Miss Aquarius Mercury LOL)

Even though I don't see the man I am in love with as being "above and beyond" my friends.. The way in which I care for him - is a way in which I will never care for one of my friends.
Maybe that's confusing.

I can't compare basically... You shouldn't feel less "special".
*He* (I'm assuming it's a he...?) felt something FOR you - that was only between YOU TWO.


I think that is it Betty...I don't feel as if this person should feel as if he/she is less special...if so, they should be friends and only friends...if you are in a marriage, or marriage-like relationship, your partner should be a bit more special than other friends...

It's just something that caught my eye today during studies...thanks for the feedback all...

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posted February 16, 2011 02:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lonake     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I know Aquarius, with their group mentality, I geddit, I have Sun sq Uranus which stands for the male.
(Gotta go cry in the corner for a minute..)
OK.

I just, from the Leo perspective, can't get why someone couldn't be more special. I feel like sometimes, where is their heart. Not that they don't have one, just where do they put it. Is it the fight for the cause, that could make sense. Just feels lonely.

blonde, the sun 11th person,

hey Wait a minute,

BettyB, you're Sun 11th, do you attract uranian types as you're female,
and same to blonde, if your sun 11 subject is female.

Maybe my issue is just having the square.
My point is that for the woman, even tho women are more self actualizing now a days, do want to identify their sun in another, aspects sign plus house placement.

What do we think on this?
Sorry if OT.
or if I don't make sense

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posted February 16, 2011 02:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lonake     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You know what I also think, I think h11/Aquarius shadow side is Leo, and they want to be seen and noticed, recognized as special, and are afraid to admit it, cos what would the group think.

What do we think about that?

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posted February 16, 2011 02:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for blonderiverkat     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ahhhh ... so it's the Aquarian 'thing' lol..the 11th House person is a male, but with an Aquarian Moon as well...and 4th House/IC...

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posted February 16, 2011 02:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for blonderiverkat     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Lonake:
You know what I also think, I think h11/Aquarius shadow side is Leo, and they want to be seen and noticed, recognized as special, and are afraid to admit it, cos what would the group think.

What do we think about that?


That's funny lonake! Because if the 11th House person wants to feel special to someone, yet can't give the same....where is the balance? You would think with Libras...nm...I guess too much Aquarius would just tip Libras scales...lol

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posted February 16, 2011 04:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Betty Boop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Lonake & Blonde --

quote:
they want to be seen and noticed, recognized as special, and are afraid to admit it, cos what would the group think.

quote:
if the 11th House person wants to feel special to someone, yet can't give the same....where is the balance?

I don't have a desire to be put on a pedestal socially - or - to be put on a pedestal by my S/O.

I think I deserve recognition and praise for the things I've done well (whether it is in my job or elsewhere). I'd enjoy getting recognition and praise, as much as anyone -- but I honestly wouldn't feel like it makes me better than the next person... or that I am somehow above others.. It wouldn't make me happy on an ego level.. (as you would read in a Leo description).
I would just feel glad that I am appreciated for the things I have done.


When it comes to a partner.. I want to be loved and I want to love. But I can't quantify the love I feel for friends/family/my S/O and then compare the results.. and say: "I love X more than Y" etc...
I just can't compare like that.
I would not expect my romantic partner to compare either... or to tell me that he loves me more than all his friends. From my perspective they are different feelings.. and both are meaningful.

Lonake -- About projecting my 11th Sun... hmmm I actually feel like I am the 11th Sun myself..
Not that I don't like Uranian men.. But I think I play this role in my own life!
Although, it could be because my Venus (which is a feminine planet) is there as well...

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posted February 16, 2011 02:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for blonderiverkat     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I understand totally where you are coming from Betty...and I guess the bottom line is that no one should ever have to question or wonder about these things...they should just know...it shouldn't be about words...

Thanks guys...

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