posted February 23, 2011 10:08 AM            

I have Pluto transiting my 7th right now and for quite some time and I completely understand how you feel. Since it entered all my romantic relationships are intense and filled with drama. It's been going on since 2008 and I'm already over it, meaning, I want something more light. lol.

posted February 23, 2011 10:12 AM            

Lots of drama with me...

I guess power struggles also but not in the way it sounds... People seem to "think" Im trying to control them, when in reality Im not.. I guess its just the way I come across..

posted February 23, 2011 10:26 AM            

With each experience, a little piece of me does change.. I do learn things about myself, and people in general..

I also have a Tsquare with Venus/Pluto/Jupiter..

posted February 23, 2011 10:35 AM            

i don't understand why those pluto in the 7th are seen as manipulative, i'd rather said pluto in the 1st is manipulative !

pluto in the 7th is being victim of manipulative people because you attract this people : the svengali face people unless you project a manipulative side of you ?

posted February 23, 2011 11:00 AM            

Racole12.....
"But a funny thing, since this started, my Pluto as been in hard aspect to another's Venus every relationship I have gotten into."

Me too. I have Pluto in the 1st house, but it's in Libra, so a relationship emphasis. Relationships can be hell but they can also be so intense and empowering. I notice that any relationships that I have had we help each other and that the relationship does it's best to transform us individually but then the relationship fails to withstand the individual changes. Then the power struggles come in, which I personally see more as inherent sexism, from both people.

For me though Pluto is also conjunct Sun in first house Libra and I see it as my duty to assert my independance in relationships in general, with quite the feminist attitude. I am a feminist through and through, and I think this gives me inner strength that some guys can't handle. The ironic thing is that they are the very guys that I attract because they are attracted to the transformation within the relationship...so in some ways they are in need of a degree of self-empowerment that I can offer. However ...I feel so much more stronger and at peace in a relationship.
I wonder if the feminism comes from Lilith, which is also conjunct sun and pluto.
People either love or hate me. I have a very distinct Plutonian look...I have been called "evil" looking before lol...I have dark hair and eyes and they would be quite intense. I also give quite intense eye contact which freaks people out, but it's from genuine attention giving...Something I need to compromise on a little.

posted February 23, 2011 11:00 AM            

As for manipulation.. IDK I cant really say they someone or I manipulate each other.. If it is going on, this I guess its unnoticeable.

posted February 23, 2011 12:04 PM            

I also have my moon in the 7th house, barely, it's conjunct the 8th house cusp though. And that moon has only bad aspects. So my relationships have not been too pleasant for me.

My last relationship was the most plutonic as it was with a Scorpio Sun, Moon, Merc, Pluto guy. I didn't end up with a broken heart, but this dude keeps hanging on and causing hassles in my life. We have a daughter together because I was stupid and had unprotected sex once. This is both a blessing and a difficulty since I'm young. I love her to death, but there is no denying that my life has changed forever. Pluto has a funny way of sneaking up on you when you think every thing is going lovely. Before I got pregnant our relationship was good. Then it just became a mess. I just want to get away from this guy, but he keeps sticking around.

posted February 23, 2011 12:20 PM            

With all these transneptunian objects discovered, these interpretations seems a bit vague now. They are based on outdated Astronomy. It was based on the prior knowledge that Pluto was the only transneptunian discovered. Now over 1,000 transneptunians have been discovered since the 2nd one was discovered in 1992. Since the turn of the 21st Century, other big transneptunians objects have been discovered. There are said to be tens and even hundreds of thousands of transneptunian object in our solar system. I wouldn't be surprised if astronomers did find many Pluto-sized objects lurking in the hypothesized Oort Cloud. The Kuiper Belt was hypothesized,and that turned out to be true.

I don't really believe that Pluto has much of an influence in houses unless they are in strong aspects. Mine doesn't fit the bill. Using smaller orbs, Pluto only makes a sextile to my Neptune in Sagittarius in 3rd house, and that's a generational aspect.

On the other hand,Pluto's fellow dwarf planet, Haumea (named after the Hawaiian fertility creation goddess) is in Virgo in my 12th house conjunct/oppose my Ascendant/Descendant axis with 2 degree,11 minute orb, and that could be the intensity,transformation of my personality/relationships. I have Haumea Rising. It squares my Midheaven/Imum Coeli with 3 minute orb, and that can be intensity,transformation involving career/domestic environment. In the whole sign house system, which Robert Hand advocates, my Haumea is in 1st house and my Pluto is in 2nd house.

Also in Right Ascension (Equatorial Longitude), there is a plutino that squares my Ascendant/Descendant almost exact

2003 AZ84 in 14'43 Gemini
square Asc/Desc in 14'44 Virgo/Pisces

Geocentric North AZ84 Node in 10'36 Gemini
conjunct/oppose MC/IC in 11'14 Gemini/Sagittarius

Geocentric South AZ84 Node in 12'23 Sagittarius
oppose/conjunct MC/IC in 11'14 Gemini/Sagittarius
square Asc/Desc in 13'27 Virgo/Pisces

Heliocentric AZ84 Nodes in 11'38 Gemini/Sagittarius
conjunct MC/IC in 11'14 Gemini

I am very strong in the AZ84 energy including the collective AZ84 energy

(208996) 2003 AZ84 is a plutino. Like Pluto,it is in a 2:3 resonance with Neptune. For every 2 orbits that a plutino makes, Neptune orbits 3 times.

It orbits the Sun in just over 247 Earth years.

The discovery of a satellite of 2003 AZ84 was reported in IAUC 8812 on 22 February 2007.

The Spitzer Space Telescope has estimated it to have a size of 686 ± 96 km,[6] while an analysis of a combination of Spitzer and Hershel data yielded a somewhat higher estimate of 910 ± 60 km.[7] Due to its large size 2003 AZ84 qualifies as a plutoid candidate.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%28208996%29_2003_AZ84

Plutoid is a classification for transneptunian objects that meet the criteria for dwarf planet.

Pluto,Eris,Makemake,and Haumea are officially classed plutoids. There will be more to follow like Sedna, Quaoar, Orcus, Varuna, and Ixion. Orcus and Ixion are plutinos.

BTW..This isn't about being Virgo like.
It's about seeing things from multidimensional view and from various angles. This fits with the transneptunian objects. There is a much bigger picture,and I am interested in seeing that.

With my Sun in Scorpio oppose/conjunct the Eris Nodes (Heliocentric,Geocentric) in Taurus/Scorpio with 10 minute orb. I am one of the few "Scorpios" and definitely one of a tiny fraction of astrologers that don't care that Pluto got demoted because of Eris. I was even glad that it happened. This was before I discovered my Eris Nodal aspects.

Eris is not about holding onto the status quo. It ultimately breaks it down which leads to a new order of things just like the planetary status quo was broken and led to a new planetary order with new astronomical classifications. That led to the demotion of Pluto and promotion of Ceres resulting in them being equals. Challenging the status quo and striving for equality have always been strongly linked.

National Organization for Women (NOW) was founded on October 29, 1966 when Sun was in Scorpio oppose/conjunct the Eris Nodes (heliocentric,geocentric).

From the 20th Century Astrology perspective, I used to think that I could strongly relate to what the 20th Century Astrology books wrote about Pluto in 1st.

From the 21st Century Astrology perspective, I now realize that I could strongly relate to what the 20th Century Astrology books wrote about Pluto in 1st because I have Haumea conjunct my Ascendant and a Right Ascension AZ84 square my Ascendant.

I'd say that with AZ84 being a plutino, and so both astronomically and astrologically similar to Pluto, it is probably the main factor of my being able to strongly relate to what's been written about Pluto in 1st in 20th Century Astrology books.

I am looking forward to AZ84 being named. As a rule, it will be named after an underworld character. Maybe they will name it after underworld deities from other mythologies. There are the Sumerian deities to consider.

I have Ascendant square my Mars/Pluto midpoint with 4 minutes of arc, and that could also be a factor into relating to Pluto in 1st. Using midpoints with Pluto, opens a can of worms. If midpoints can be used with Pluto, then midpoints can be used with other transneptunian objects too. That would greatly increase the amount of midpoints.

Philip Sedgwick derives insights about an object from the zodiac sign placement of the object's North Heliocentric Node and Perihelion at the time of its discovery.

Heliocentric North Node in 11'59 Sagittarius
Perihelion in 25'41 Sagittarius

Interestingly, both the Heliocentric North Node and Perihelion are in Sagittarius.
That's unusual for objects. Most objects have a Heliocentric Node and Perihelion that are in different signs.

AZ84 would seem to have a strong Sagittarian theme.

Sabian Symbol 12 Sagittarius
A Flag Turns Into An Eagle; The Eagle Into A Chanticleer Saluting The Dawn
'the spiritualization and promotion of great symbols of a New Age by minds sensitive to its precursory manifestations'

Sabian Symbol 26 Sagittarius
A Flag Bearer In A Battle
'the nobly accepted subservience of the individual to collective values and goals

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posted February 23, 2011 12:28 PM            

However,I feel like I will step in to it's shoes ,slowly.
As I do,I will have something to offer to people outside myself.

Pluto on the MC does not seem like it is destructive of your "personal self" as
Pluto on the other angles is in this sense.

Pluto on the ASC seems to give you a great personal power which MUST be harnassed or it could back fire in to personal destruction.
Am I right?
It is a LOT of personal power and some people cannot handle it.

posted February 23, 2011 12:32 PM            

If so, the only easy one is Pluto on the MC.
This may not be easy in that you are hated when you stand up for something or stand out.

However,it seems much easier than the other placements.

Please ,give your opinions---yea or nay lol

posted February 23, 2011 12:32 PM            

If so, the only easy one is Pluto on the MC.
This may not be easy in that you are hated when you stand up for something or stand out.

However,it seems much easier than the other placements.

Please ,give your opinions---yea or nay lol

posted February 23, 2011 12:41 PM            

quote:

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Pluto on the DSC seems to make relationships very tumultuous.
They are very intense and tidal wave life.
They feel very primal and very deep but hard to retain,perhaps.
Am I right on this?

If so, the only easy one is Pluto on the MC.
This may not be easy in that you are hated when you stand up for something or stand out.

However,it seems much easier than the other placements.

Please ,give your opinions---yea or nay lol

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Personally, I think that because my Moon is also in my 7th house - relationships can be important to me, even though I don't need one specifically to be happy. So when they go wrong, I am very sensitive to it. Since I also have the Pluto there, I can (before my baby daddy LOL) cut people out of my life easily, even if they are dramatic. I can have lasting relationships, but I have to put effort in to not let them spin out of control. That coupled with my Moon opposition Venus which is also inconjunct my Pluto, it's not pretty.

posted February 23, 2011 01:13 PM            

Had this way back in the late 80's, early 90's as a transit. Wow! It hit right around my late teens, early 20's, which are your prime dating years. Started off like gangbusters for me, and yes, I had several *deeply* intense relationships, but my 7th house had a lot of other planets passing through. Not only was Pluto taking its sweet 'lil old time traipsing through there, but Saturn showed up, too. Agh! Dated someone 19 years older than me, wound up going out with a drug addict, etc...

At one point, I had the Sun, Mercury, Mars, and Pluto all packed in the 7th. Luckily, I was picking up some nice sextiles from other planets, too. However, what I have noticed since looking back, is that once the 7th house got cleaned out and only Pluto remained, I got *zero* action whatsoever. In fact, I went 10 years without a date! My dating life picked up again *after* Pluto left the 7th. Like, on the day it was out of the 7th, I *finally* had someone ask me out.

Oh, and it wasn't like I wasn't asked out at all, but the problem was during that 10-year time, *ONLY* much younger guys were asking me out. I couldn't get someone my own age, and I tried *everything* (remember, this was pre-Internet. No dating websites, Facebook, etc..) Sorry, but I'm really not into the whole Cougar thing. Tried it once, and it doesn't work for me, personally.

posted February 23, 2011 01:27 PM            

quote:

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
This is my feeling. Pluto on the ASC, IC and DSC seems hard.
I love it on the MC. It feels like a nice position.
I am just coming in to it as anyone who has seen me on here knows

However,I feel like I will step in to it's shoes ,slowly.
As I do,I will have something to offer to people outside myself.

Pluto on the MC does not seem like it is destructive of your "personal self" as
Pluto on the other angles is in this sense.

Pluto on the ASC seems to give you a great personal power which MUST be harnassed or it could back fire in to personal destruction.
Am I right?
It is a LOT of personal power and some people cannot handle it.

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any of the transneptunian dwarf planet/candidates (Pluto,Eris,Makemake,Haumea,Sedna,Orcus,Quaoar,Varuna,Ixion) on the angles can be hard

I'd say that Sedna with its greatest average distance and longest orbital period of all objects in our solar solar system can be extremely difficult when on any of the angles.

It goes way beyond,deeper than any of its fellow dwarf planet/candidates.

It's fittingly named after Sedna who was both a Sea/Ocean Goddess and Ruler of the Underworld and had a history of being mortal woman who was thrown overboard and her fingers cut off by her father and sank into the depths of the Arctic Ocean, transformed into a Sea/Ocean Goddess and becoming the ruler of Adlivun, the Underworld located at the bottom of the Arctic Ocean. This is all in Inuit Mythology.

Sedna is a deeply shamanic energy

I believe Pluto gets way too much credit for stuff in Western Astrology like Chiron gets way too much credit for stuff in Magi Astrology.

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