posted February 24, 2011 09:42 AM            

for some weeks i have seen lot of questions in the forum who focus on particular features in a chart, but this leave me wondering how to go beyond. everywhere i read isolated explanation

what means to have moon in gemini or a retrograde planet or ruler of 12 in 3 house, etc...

i wonder how to put all the pieces together in a coherent whole. when i read my AC in taurus, i dont feel very much identified. however, when i read about moon square uranus or pluto or gemini square uranus/pluto in my chart, i identify. why is that certain features of your chart remain hidden?

sometimes this makes me to have doubts about astrology and think that only randomly we are similar to ones of the features of our chart. is there is a way to see the big picture? a techinque? a way to approach to a chart and see

1) the patter aspect
2) the ruler
3) the moon

just guessing... i have starting creating my own system but would like to hear from EXPEREINCED knowflakes. people who has already been able to look at charts and see the big patter of a person.

from them I would like to hear.

posted February 24, 2011 10:12 AM            

In regards to the thread's topic I tend to look at the geometry of the chart. For example where does my eye look first? Is it "pointing" to something? Sometimes the lonely planets that seem kinda far away may give more clues to the person.

posted February 24, 2011 11:26 AM            

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Originally posted by littlecloud:
Is that disclaimer intended for all the very virgo influenced people?

In regards to the thread's topic I tend to look at the geometry of the chart. For example where does my eye look first? Is it "pointing" to something? Sometimes the lonely planets that seem kinda far away may give more clues to the person.

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posted February 24, 2011 12:55 PM            

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Originally posted by littlecloud:
Is that disclaimer intended for all the very virgo influenced people?

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Caught my attention, I have asked this question a few times.

What is the overall "Picture" of your individual chart.

posted February 24, 2011 01:55 PM            

I tend to look at repeating themes.

I also focus on the planetary geometry including aspect patterns like grand trines and t-squares. I even look at the so-called minor aspect patterns. I do use minor aspects. Johannes Kepler, who had an issue about zodiac signs and houses, introduced the minor aspects. He is the one that devised the quintile,biquintile,and sesquiquadrate based on Five-ness in musical harmonics. Other astrologers introduced minor aspects too. I have 11th harmonic aspect patterns in my chart,and so my 11th harmonic is prominent. I find aspect patterns to be more important if they have corresponding midpoint pictures. For example: I have a t-square of Moon square the opposition of Saturn and Neptune. I have a corresponding midpoint picture of Moon oppose Saturn/Neptune midpoint.

That comes to another thing. I focus on only direct midpoint pictures (conjunction,opposition to a midpoint). Robert Hand said that they can be major themes. I think that it's important to look at Right Ascension and Declination which are the equatorial longitude and latitude coordinates. Declination is regularly used in both Cosmobiology and Magi Astrology. Both systems use declination midpoints too.

If I see an aspect that might be out of orb but might have an effect, I check to see if it's in orb in Declination or Right Ascension. Here is an example. I have Venus conjunct Neptune with 10 degree orb. I have Venus parallel Neptune with 47 minute orb in the declinations.

I also look for any personal aspects involving heliocentric planetary nodes for collective karmic thems. They are not new stuff to use in Astrology. The earliest 20th Century Astrologers, Grant Lewi,Carl Payne Tobey,and Dane Rudhyar promoted the use of heliocentric planetary nodes. I also look at geocentric planetary nodes. Theodor Landscheidt was the pioneer astrologer of the geocentric planetary nodes. Zipporah Dobyns followed his lead, and she started using them. Jeffrey Wolf Green uses them in his evolutionary astrology.

As for asteroids, I tend to see them as more like fine-tuners. I would look at them last. When I look at asteroids, I will look at them from all angles. I don't look at just longitude. I also declination and right ascension. I also look at both geocentric and heliocentric nodes. The latter has to do with the collective karmic theme with their ultra-slow movement. The former has to do with personal-social karmic theme.

I pay attention if I see both an asteroid and its node in aspect to personal stuff in the chart. I definitely believe it's highly significant when an asteroid and its node is in aspect to the same natal planet,point,angle in the chart. An example: Stargazer is sextile/trine my Ascendant/Descendant axis, and the Heliocentric Stargazer Nodes are in opposition to my Ascendant/Descendant axis.

Because of my multidimensional approach to Astrology, I use smaller maximum orbs than mainstream astrologers use. I see a lot of astrologers get away with the use of wide orbs because those aspects are within orb in right ascension or have an equivalent aspect in declination. Furthermore, I don't give Pluto regular orbs. I give it much smaller orbs because I view it as a dwarf planet. One of the factors is that I give equal importance to all the dwarf planet/candidates. I also believe that what people who are experiencing as significant Pluto energy,and so they give wide orbs for Pluto to even 10 degrees, actually have significant aspects to Pluto's fellow transneptunian dwarf planet/candidates.

For example. I have Moon quincunx Pluto over 2 degree orb,and I could strongly relate to it. I actually have Moon trine Ixion with 2'14 orb. I have Moon trine Quaoar with '50 orb. I have Moon square Varuna with '10 orb. I have Moon sextile Sedna with 1'05 orb (0'39 orb in Right Ascension). I have Moon semisquare Eris with '08 orb in Right Ascension. All of those are transneptunian dwarf planet/candidate aspects. I believe those are the reasons why I could identify with wide orbed Moon quincunx Pluto.

I believe that it's important for me to adapt to the discoveries of astronomy. The Western Astrological Community already adapted to the discoveries of astronomy by adding Uranus,Neptune,and Pluto to their systems while other astrological communities like the Vedic Astrological community don't use objects past Saturn.

We're in 21st Century times right now, and I feel that I need to describe the 21st Century with a 21st Century astrological system and not a 20th Century astrological system. I am one of those people that is very strong in the 21st Century energy. Naturally, I prefer a 21st Century system. I prefer to it be multidimensional too. In my opinion, only looking at ecliptic longitude (the regular chart) is just too one dimensional and misses out a lot of stuff. I believe that it's important to look at declination and right ascension too. Astronomers use those coordinates regularly. Therefore, I don't see why astrologers can't.

I pay attention to repeating themes in the chart.
I also pay attention to aspects involving the luminaries,angles that have narrow orbs.
I refer to them as "major theme aspects" which I believe that they are hard to ignore. This goes for even aspects involving Pluto and Pluto's fellow dwarf planet/candidates. I use smaller orbs for them than I use for regular planets.

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A different mind is NOT a deficient mind.

posted February 24, 2011 02:54 PM            

There is a reason why Ptolemy created the rulership scheme the way that he did.
Adding the outerplanets and Pluto to the scheme totally messes it up.

Ptolemy used only the whole sign house system. House system system was devised so that the whole sign covered the whole house.

any ways rulerships were made to be like this

Sun - the big time ruler of day,rules Leo
Mercury as a day ruler,rules Gemini
Venus as a day ruler,rules Libra
Mars as a day ruler,rules Aries
Jupiter as day ruler,rules Sagittarius
Saturn as day ruler, rules Aquarius

all the aforementioned are masculine/positive/yang signs

Moon - the big time ruler of night,rules Cancer
Mercury as night ruler,rules Virgo
Venus as night ruler,rules Taurus
Mars as night ruler,rules Scorpio
Jupiter as night ruler, rules Pisces
Saturn as night ruler, rules Capricorn

all the aforementioned signs are feminine/negative/yin signs

There was a reason why Ptolemy created that rulership scheme.

Later astrologers distorted that scheme by adding Uranus,Neptune,and Pluto. They claim that Uranus is night ruler of Aquarius, Neptune is night ruler of Pisces, and Pluto is night ruler of Scorpio.
The thing is that feminine signs were supposed to be night signs and the masculine signs were supposed to be the day signs.
Aquarius is not a night sign because it's a masculine sign. Therefore, how can Aquarius be assigned to Uranus in regards to night sign rulership?

Astrology is full of inconsistencies.

The house system is another example.
Whole sign house system was the original house system. There were interpretations in reading Ptolemy's books which led to other house systems. Almost all of them are useless in the polar regions. There are millions of people that live in the North Polar regions. Even people that aren't born in the North Polar regions and born in high latitudes like the Scandinavians have very uneven charts.

Another issue is that the Tropical Zodiac was devised to reflect the Northern Hemisphere. The zodiac signs' characteristics were based on the seasons. There is a problem. The Earth also has a Southern Hemisphere. The Tropical Zodiac is a Northern Hemisphere season-based zodiac. In the Southern Hemisphere, the seasonal cycle is opposite the seasonal cycle in the Northern Hemisphere. Ptolemy's tropical zodiac system scheme wasn't designed for the Southern hemisphere. If the Southern Hemisphere has opposite seasonal cycle, then the zodiac signs would have to be opposite of the ones in the Northern Hemisphere.

I take this into account. That's why I don't even use the tropical zodiac for people born in Southern Hemisphere. There are some astrologers who do use a reverse zodiac for people born in the southern hemisphere.

Today's Astrology is what I call "New Age Astrology" It's not the same Astrological system that was used before the discoveries of Uranus,Neptune,and Pluto.

The traits of Aquarius,Scorpio,and Pisces have changed after the discoveries of Uranus,Neptune,and Pluto and the New Age Movement. Aquarius,Scorpio,and Pisces have been assigned traits based on their modern rulers.

Astrology books written before the use of Uranus,Neptune,and Pluto had different descriptions of Aquarius,Scorpio,and Pisces.

Even today, the descriptions of Aquarius,Scorpio,and Pisces are different in the Vedic Astrological books because Vedic Astrologers don't use Uranus,Neptune,and Pluto.

The zodiac signs had traits from their elements,their modalities,and their planetary rulers

for example with the altered signs of Aquarius,Scorpio,and Pisces

Aquarius
traits from being an airsign
traits from being a fixed sign
traits from being ruled by Saturn

Scorpio
traits from being a watersign
traits from being a fixed sign
traits from being ruled by Mars

Pisces
traits from being a watersign
traits from being a mutable sign
traits from being ruled by Jupiter

the logic behind rulerships is messed up

the logic was

Jupiter rules Sagittarius
Saturn rules Capricorn

so Uranus rules Aquarius
so Neptune rules Pisces

but instead of Pluto ruling Aries, it rules Scorpio
that totally negates the logic of Uranus and Neptune's rulerships

Astrology is full of inconsistencies.

I think of only Sun,Moon,Mercury,Venus,Mars,Jupiter,and Saturn as having sign rulerships because they are mundane,routine,everyday planets

I see Uranus,Neptune as not having sign rulerships with their being about generational stuff,metaphysical matters

I think of Pluto and its fellow transneptunian dwarf planet/candidates having to do with not only generational stuff and metaphysical matters but also evolutionary intensification which was pretty much all attributed to only Pluto. I believe that this has to change because Pluto is found to have lots of neighbors. The big neighbors can also be about evolutionary intensification. Sedna has the greatest average distance and longest orbital period of all, and so that would be an object that is the most evolutionary intensified. Where Sedna is placed in the chart is where I believe that we experience the most evolutionary intensified experiences.
Like Philip Sedgwick, I view Pluto and its fellow transneptunian dwarf planet/candidates as evolutionary intensified objects.

I believe that the collective should apply to all the heliocentric nodes of all objects. They move ultra-slowly. They move up to about 1 degree per century. This is including even the heliocentric nodes of the inner planets.

The geocentric nodes of Jupiter and objects beyond move very slowly too, and so they can be associated with the collective too.

If you have Sun,Moon,Asc/Desc,MC/IC in aspect to any of those nodes, then you have a strong connection to the collective. You can have a profound connection to masses of people in relation to the energy of that node. You can be a spokesperson, a channel in regards to that energy. For example, If you have Sun oppose/conjunct the Uranus Nodes, you are strongly connected to collective Uranian energy. You can be a spokesperson,channel for Uranian matters like independence,change,unusual. Astrologer,Robert Hand has Sun oppose/conjunct Uranus Nodes. He is one of the foremost astrologers in the 20th Century/21st Century. He is one of the pioneer Astrology Software creation Astrologers too. When Sun conjuncts the Nodes of Jupiter and objects beyond ,the Geocentric and Heliocentric Nodes are aligned with each other, and so the Sun aligns with both the Geocentric and Heliocentric Nodes. I am a perfect example.

when I was born:

Heliocentric Eris Nodes in 5'30 Taurus/Scorpio
Geocentric North Eris Node in 5'30 Taurus
Geocentric South Eris Node in 5'29 Scorpio
Sun in 5'20 Scorpio

The heliocentric and geocentric Eris Nodes were in almost exact alignment with each other, and Sun were in close alignments with both heliocentric and geocentric Eris Nodes.
Therefore, I have a very strong connection to collective Eristic Energy. I can be a spokesperson,channel for Eristic matters like diversity,equality which can get me viewed as highly discordant and highly controversial.

that's about it.

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posted February 25, 2011 06:50 AM            

thanks a lot for the time spent in such a long essay. I took some notes and have several questions

1)When you interpret aspect patters, do you do it by the meaning of what the aspect means or also consider the signs and houses involved. for instances, how do you interpret your moon-saturn-neptune T-square.

2) what about aspects that are not major themes, are not repeated patterns? we just ignore them? how do we go with them?

3)Under clasical astrology, my seventh house ruler would be mars (my 7th in scorpio). would you add a different interpretation of the ruler if it is night ruler (mars-scorpio) than if it is day ruler (mars-aries)

4)Which house system would you use for people born in scandinavia?

5)are all the transneptunian plutonian-like characteristics?

thanks again!

posted February 25, 2011 06:54 AM            

quote:

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Originally posted by amowls**:
I look at sign of chart ruler (ruler of the ascendant), signs of sun, moon & asc, and the sign that the ruler of the sun is in.

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my chart ruler venus (AC in taurus)
sun cancer end of 2H
moon gemini 2H
ruler of the sun (moon) in 2H

how do you go with this info. could you elaborate with this example or other you may want to bring.

Thanks

posted February 28, 2011 01:38 AM            

When I started to use the astrological alphabet is when chart reading became easier to comprehend: Aries/1st/Mars, Taurus/2nd/Venus, etc. When there are repeated interchanges between the same 2 principles you know that that factor will dominate, so it's gonna be something very important to the natal and to any of their synastries, the other person will have to be making 'nice' with this or it's a no-go.

It's also incredibly helpful to start reading a chart from the nodal perspective (if you want to get to the heart of things): look at the SN first its sign, house, aspects, condition of ruler, then the same for NN. All the charts I've read have had correspondences to this axis that flesh out the big picture. In addition, the sign and house and aspects of the Sun is crucial to understanding what the person is here for, what they're about, as well as the Asc and its ruler, which is how they operate.

In general, with any issue the person is going through, I look at the nodes 1st, the rest of the chart 2nd, if it's something that is a really pressing matter, something very important, it will be node-related.

posted February 28, 2011 06:02 AM            

quote:

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Originally posted by nordicsoul:
Glaucus,

thanks a lot for the time spent in such a long essay. I took some notes and have several questions

1)When you interpret aspect patters, do you do it by the meaning of what the aspect means or also consider the signs and houses involved. for instances, how do you interpret your moon-saturn-neptune T-square.

2) what about aspects that are not major themes, are not repeated patterns? we just ignore them? how do we go with them?

3)Under clasical astrology, my seventh house ruler would be mars (my 7th in scorpio). would you add a different interpretation of the ruler if it is night ruler (mars-scorpio) than if it is day ruler (mars-aries)

4)Which house system would you use for people born in scandinavia?

5)are all the transneptunian plutonian-like characteristics?

thanks again!

Nordic

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shrugs

It wasn't meant to be a long essay. That wasn't my intention. I was only expressing what I believe is the big picture in Astrology. I elaborated to avoid being vague. To me, it involves the things that I went over. I also believe that if I didn't use a 21st multidimensional approach to Astrology, it wouldn't be looking at the big picture. Without looking at Declination and Right Ascension like the astronomers do, we would only be looking at the chart one dimensionally. There are many ways too look at the sky. The oldest way is actually the horizon coordinates,but that's visual-based system. That's dependent on the location of the observer. Star parans, which Bernadette Brady advocates, are a horizon coordinate technique.

If a person examined me from a 20th Century astrological system,he/she would miss out out on a lot of stuff about me because I am very strong in the 21st Century transneptunian object energy which also includes their nodes,Right Ascension,and declination as key parts of me.

for example:
I'd even refer to the 6 degrees of Taurus and Scorpio as "The Eris Degree" for that is where the Heliocentric Transneptunian Dwarf planet Eris Nodes occupied during the 20th Century where all of today's adults and teenagers were born in. My Sun in 5'20 Scorpio would definitely count, especially with it oppose/conjunct the Heliocentric Eris Nodes in 5'30 Taurus/Scorpio. In Right Ascension, my Sun is in opposition to transneptunian dwarf planet candidate Sedna with 44 minute orb. In Declination, my Sun is contraparallel transneptunian dwarf candidate Orcus with 1 minute orb. All 3 of these aspects are main theme aspects, and so all 3 configurations are key parts of me which astrologers would overlook by only viewing me with a 20th Century Astrological system. As for the regular chart (Ecliptic Longitude), I have Sun conjunct transneptunian dwarf planet candidate Ixion with 5 minute orb. That's a main theme aspect too. When I was born, my Sun was at a very significant position in the sky. From the 20th Century Astrological perspective, you would only see that I have Sun trine Moon with 2'10 orb and Sun quincunx Saturn in regards to aspects to my Sun. The former would be a main theme aspect. 21st Century Astrological system shows that there is a much deeper dimension that my ego/self expression/vitality has. This wouldn't be known by looking at it from the regular way. Of course, it's natural for me to reject the Scorpio label.

I will have to think about your question and answer it later on today. It's almost 3 AM here.

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A different mind is NOT a deficient mind.

posted February 28, 2011 12:10 PM            

whenenver you have time...

best

posted February 28, 2011 12:12 PM            

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Originally posted by Lonake:
I look for repeating themes, keeping in mind that people are generally constructed to be complex, not simple, so there will be influences that contradict each other. Somewhere along the way the lines start to blur and you can start verbalizing what you're seeing because it will blend together in a way that makes sense.

When I started to use the astrological alphabet is when chart reading became easier to comprehend: Aries/1st/Mars, Taurus/2nd/Venus, etc. When there are repeated interchanges between the same 2 principles you know that that factor will dominate, so it's gonna be something very important to the natal and to any of their synastries, the other person will have to be making 'nice' with this or it's a no-go.

It's also incredibly helpful to start reading a chart from the nodal perspective (if you want to get to the heart of things): look at the SN first its sign, house, aspects, condition of ruler, then the same for NN. All the charts I've read have had correspondences to this axis that flesh out the big picture. In addition, the sign and house and aspects of the Sun is crucial to understanding what the person is here for, what they're about, as well as the Asc and its ruler, which is how they operate.

In general, with any issue the person is going through, I look at the nodes 1st, the rest of the chart 2nd, if it's something that is a really pressing matter, something very important, it will be node-related.

There's a book on this (haven't read but heard it's good) - How to Read Your Astrological Chart: Aspects of the Cosmic Puzzle By Donna Cunningham.

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Thanks Lonake,

now that you mention about the nodes... I have a question related. how different you see the North node (soul purpose) from the sun and from the mid-heaven. I having a hard time trying to see the difference.

posted February 28, 2011 03:46 PM            

quote:

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Originally posted by nordicsoul:
Glaucus,

thanks a lot for the time spent in such a long essay. I took some notes and have several questions

1)When you interpret aspect patters, do you do it by the meaning of what the aspect means or also consider the signs and houses involved. for instances, how do you interpret your moon-saturn-neptune T-square.

2) what about aspects that are not major themes, are not repeated patterns? we just ignore them? how do we go with them?

3)Under clasical astrology, my seventh house ruler would be mars (my 7th in scorpio). would you add a different interpretation of the ruler if it is night ruler (mars-scorpio) than if it is day ruler (mars-aries)

4)Which house system would you use for people born in scandinavia?

5)are all the transneptunian plutonian-like characteristics?

thanks again!

Nordic

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1. I believe that you can get enough information by interpreting aspect patterns by what the aspect means and the object that is involved. Cosmobiology is a highly geomentrical base system ,and it doesn't use houses. There is very little emphasis on zodiac signs. I do consider the sign and house placements involved.

2. I don't overlook any aspects that are not major themes or part of a pattern. It's like how one gene can make a big difference. I think of our astrological makeup as celestial DNA.

3. No I wouldn't give a different interpretation for day ruler or night ruler. I just wouldn't interpret Uranus,Neptune,Pluto as rulerships. I really believe that these objects don't fit the rulerships and messes up the Ptolemaic house rulership system. They are not every day,routine,mundane planets. I actually think that the transSaturnian objects actually get more respect by not pinning down as every day,routine,mundane planets. That's what you do when you fit them as rulerships of signs and houses.

Another thing to consider. Ptolemy used aspects by sign. He used whole sign aspects in his astrological. He used used a whole sign house system. All of this fits with traditional rulerships. By adding Uranus,Neptune,and Pluto to the system, it really jacked up the philosophy behind whole sign aspects.

Naturally, Uranus,Neptune,and Pluto require smaller orbs.

Planets were viewed as being stars. Planet is another word for wandering stars. They were referred to as stars because they appeared to be stars when they were shining in the sky. These were visible objects in the sky. As you know, the brighter the star is, the more powerful the effect in Astrology. That's why Sirius is considered the most powerful star. It's the brightest star, but it's a relatively small star.

The philosophy behind the planets was that they had great power over people's lives because they were nearby stars. Logically, it made sense to use whole sign aspects.
Objects that orbit beyond Saturn aren't visible. Therefore, it wouldn't make sense to use the original Ptolemaic whole sign aspects with them.

4. Whole Sign House system.

5. All the transneptunians have pluto-like characteristics. After all they orbit beyond Neptune. Once you get past Neptune, the planet of dissolution of boundaries, you get into the "unknown." They are highly metaphysically oriented objects. Of course, Pluto and its fellow transneptunian dwarf planet/candidates are the most significant transneptunians.

Pluto and its fellow transneptunians have their own themes which you can learn from the mythology based on its name, the astronomical/orbital/physical features of the object, the zodiac sign placements of their heliocentric north node and perihelion.

Pluto
named after the Roman God Lord of the Underworld
it orbits beyond Neptune. It has a highly eccentric orbit and tends to orbit well off the eclitpic.
Its Heliocentric North Node is in Cancer (it was given rulership of a watersign)
Its Perihelion is in Scorpio (it was given rulership of Scorpio)

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A different mind is NOT a deficient mind.

posted February 28, 2011 03:46 PM            

quote:

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Originally posted by nordicsoul:
Glaucus,

thanks a lot for the time spent in such a long essay. I took some notes and have several questions

1)When you interpret aspect patters, do you do it by the meaning of what the aspect means or also consider the signs and houses involved. for instances, how do you interpret your moon-saturn-neptune T-square.

2) what about aspects that are not major themes, are not repeated patterns? we just ignore them? how do we go with them?

3)Under clasical astrology, my seventh house ruler would be mars (my 7th in scorpio). would you add a different interpretation of the ruler if it is night ruler (mars-scorpio) than if it is day ruler (mars-aries)

4)Which house system would you use for people born in scandinavia?

5)are all the transneptunian plutonian-like characteristics?

thanks again!

Nordic

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1. I believe that you can get enough information by interpreting aspect patterns by what the aspect means and the object that is involved. Cosmobiology is a highly geomentrical base system ,and it doesn't use houses. There is very little emphasis on zodiac signs. I do consider the sign and house placements involved.

2. I don't overlook any aspects that are not major themes or part of a pattern. It's like how one gene can make a big difference. I think of our astrological makeup as celestial DNA.

3. No I wouldn't give a different interpretation for day ruler or night ruler. I just wouldn't interpret Uranus,Neptune,Pluto as rulers of any signs/houses. I really believe that these objects don't fit the rulerships and messes up the Ptolemaic house rulership system. They are not every day,routine,mundane planets. I actually think that the transSaturnian objects actually get more respect by not pinning them down as every day,routine,mundane planets. That's what you do when you fit them as rulerships of signs and houses.

Another thing to consider. Ptolemy used aspects by sign. He used whole sign aspects in his astrological. He used used a whole sign house system. All of this fits with traditional rulerships. By adding Uranus,Neptune,and Pluto to the system, it really jacked up the philosophy behind whole sign aspects.

Naturally, Uranus,Neptune,and Pluto require smaller orbs.

Planets were viewed as being stars. Planet is another word for wandering stars. They were referred to as stars because they appeared to be stars when they were shining in the sky. These were visible objects in the sky. As you know, the brighter the star is, the more powerful the effect in Astrology. That's why Sirius is considered the most powerful star. It's the brightest star, but it's a relatively small star.

The philosophy behind the planets was that they had great power over people's lives because they were nearby stars. Logically, it made sense to use whole sign aspects.
Objects that orbit beyond Saturn aren't visible. Therefore, it wouldn't make sense to use the original Ptolemaic whole sign aspects with them.

4. Whole Sign House system.

5. All the transneptunians have pluto-like characteristics. After all they orbit beyond Neptune. Once you get past Neptune, the planet of dissolution of boundaries, you get into the "unknown." You can't see these objects with the naked eye. They don't appear like stars like the classical planets. They are shrouded in darkness because of their great distance. They are highly metaphysically oriented objects. Of course, Pluto and its fellow transneptunian dwarf planet/candidates are the most significant transneptunians.

Pluto and its fellow transneptunians have their own themes which you can learn from the mythology based on its name, the astronomical/orbital/physical features of the object, the zodiac sign placements of their heliocentric north node and perihelion.

Pluto
named after the Roman God Lord of the Underworld
it orbits beyond Neptune. It has a highly eccentric orbit and tends to orbit well off the eclitpic.
Its Heliocentric North Node is in Cancer (it was given rulership of a watersign)
Its Perihelion is in Scorpio (it was given rulership of Scorpio)

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A different mind is NOT a deficient mind.

posted March 07, 2011 08:35 AM            

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Originally posted by Lonake:
Hi nordic soul,
NN - soul's path (ends at NN, but is actually part of the SN/NN continuum, finding balance between the two), there is deep fulfillment here, a sense of being a part of something that matters, that your life has meaning.
Sun - where you shine, where you can be of great benefit to others, leading the way here, being strong and courageous, ahead of the game, usually a natural skill developed through the yrs based on happenstance.
MC - aspirations, cementing yourself in the context of a greater society, your rank, reputation..I see the MC more as the person's image, when viewed from far away, not up close like the ASC.

So ideally there'd be a unique natural blending here for the ultimate fulfillment, career-wise.

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Thanks Leonake