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giam
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posted March 07, 2011 03:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for giam     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
hello. nice to find you !

I would really appreciate it if you could interpretate the below aspect formations, noted in my personal chart.


• grand cross: Ascendant, Uranus, Black Moon and Venus
• grand cross: Ascendant, Uranus, Black Moon and Sun
• T-square: Ascendant, Neptune and Sun
• T-square: South Node, Midheaven and Mars
• T-square: Black Moon, Mercury and Ascendant


born 26.3.1989, 12 (miday) Athens, Greece.

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posted March 07, 2011 04:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for littlecloud     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
would you like me to post your chart for you?

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posted March 07, 2011 05:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for littlecloud     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Also I don't think the angles count in reference to grand cross or t-square, because the angles themselves are a part of these configurations, so everyone has them. I would only count the planets.

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posted March 07, 2011 06:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for giam     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I actually have my chart and interpretation of most aspects, but cannot find anything that helps to understand these formations.I would only like to know about the planets that take part and the energy brought to natal chart.

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posted March 07, 2011 07:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for littlecloud     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
but you don't have these t-squares and grand crosses. That's what I'm trying to tell you.
Your chart. (I will delete if you want me to)

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posted March 08, 2011 04:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for giam     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
ok.. I have seen that chart, but I have an analysis that mentions those configurations. Could u tell me if u have an idea what they could mean?

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posted March 08, 2011 05:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for lalalinda     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hello giam! Welcome to LL

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posted March 08, 2011 05:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for littlecloud     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think one of the key things here is chiron on your Asc, unfortunately I'm not great at reading chiron. You might want to search out information from there. If I find anything I will post it.

You are a very passionate person and feel things very intensely. It is difficult for you to have casual relationships. But at the same time you need to be allowed a certain amount of freedom from your partner. You attract and many different types of people so it's difficult to say if you have a type to begin with. You have a hard taking the advice of others and need do things on your own time and when you want it. Saturn conjunct Neptune allows you to ground it and give it structure, allowing you to give your dreams and ideals some sort of structure to become reality and to also be able to tell the difference between reality and what you wish to see. This manifests in your relationships. With Venus square neptune you have to be careful not to fall in love with love and love your partner for who they really are rather than you wish them to be. I would channel that Saturn practicality for that.

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posted March 08, 2011 05:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for littlecloud     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think one of the key things here is chiron on your Asc, unfortunately I'm not great at reading chiron. You might want to search out information from there. If I find anything I will post it.

You are a very passionate person and feel things very intensely. It is difficult for you to have casual relationships. But at the same time you need to be allowed a certain amount of freedom from your partner. You attract and many different types of people so it's difficult to say if you have a type to begin with. You have a hard taking the advice of others and need do things on your own time and when you want it. Saturn conjunct Neptune allows you to ground it and give it structure, allowing you to give your dreams and ideals some sort of structure to become reality and to also be able to tell the difference between reality and what you wish to see. This manifests in your relationships. With Venus square neptune you have to be careful not to fall in love with love and love your partner for who they really are rather than you wish them to be. I would channel that Saturn practicality for that.

You are able to communicate your emotions quite well and you like expressing how you feel on a subject. With sun conjunct venus you are most likely good looking, love art and want to pursue some career involving art. You view the human body and the way it moves as a piece of art itself and are fascinated by it. With mars conjunct Jupiter in the 12th house you should be aware that you have a temper at times. Jupiter in Gemini gives you a love for learning. When you were young you probably stayed home reading rather than playing outside. It allowed you to travel right from your own home With this position of Jupiter psychology is of interest to you and you love delving into the human mind. Combining this with your Sun/venus conjunction of a love of art and the human body would likely lead you to a career of that can help others because you are compassionate. You can be an art therapist. I feel like saying you are meant to be a teacher with your NN in the 9th house and conjunct your MC. Your career path and NN are intertwined, this is another major focal point in your chart. It is possible by following your NN you will help heal yourself of the chiron issues that conjunct your Asc.

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giam
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posted March 08, 2011 05:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for giam     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
thank you a lot

That Chiron is so important as it seems ! Thank you for your help and your time.

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posted March 08, 2011 06:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for littlecloud     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm no expert though so if something sounds off, I might be wrong.

I'm guessing everything was ok?

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posted March 08, 2011 08:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for giam     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
yes ! except my bml that cannot be interpretated by the chart.

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posted March 08, 2011 08:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for littlecloud     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't do asteroids. I like to focus on the main drives. The asteroids are just overload on my head.

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posted March 09, 2011 01:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for littlecloud     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I had a hard time find chiron conjunct asc interpretations for you but I found some by house. I'm posting both the 12 and 1 house interpretations because I believe that the combination of these two will help.

In the twelfth house, it may indicate nervous tension, perhaps picked up from a close family member. You probably have psychic, empathic and healing abilities. Don't keep shutting yourself off from people - they need your unique abilities. Help others by learning to use these 'gifts' - it will give great, personal benefit but you will need to be emotionally strong and mature.

In the first house, it may indicate a journey of self-discovery. Possibly, there were restrictions in early childhood that will have had the effect on you of either retreating into yourself or having to fight to be noticed. There will be a need to find personal meaning in existence. Some will do this by being overly aggressive, others by withdrawing. Having a job or interest that is really enjoyed will give a positive direction to your life.

This page seems pretty good. Goes into Chiron fairly well, but I'm not entirely fond of his writing style. Still some good info.
http://www.bobmarksastrologer.com/chiron21.5.html

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posted March 09, 2011 03:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for littlecloud     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
this is for your NN

from: http://northnodeastrology.blogspot.com/search/label/North%20Node%20Pisces

I like this woman a lot, very detailed and helpful info.

Pisces North Node, South Node Virgo

Having been the one who was duty-bound and played according to the ‘Rules’ in a former life (or earlier in this one) you now have the chance to relax your linear mind and move towards your heart’s true desires. What is it you truly long for now? Is it love, beauty, imaginative creativity? Or is it simply the chance to relax your guard and take in the view from the mountaintop? In the past you may have felt that you were the person who always had to do the right thing. You were being observed, and you had high expectations of yourself and others did too. You may have been a doctor, priest, or skilled craftsperson in a previous life—someone who was expected to be precise and perfect.


But now you have the chance to relax, to not be perfect and to unite the impulses of your heart with those of your head. You can dare to be gentle with yourself now, and dare to make mistakes, to let some details go, and to be as compassionate and forgiving with yourself as you are with others. It’s a good idea to practice getting out of unpleasant situations gracefully rather than being duty-bound or judgmental. You don’t “have to be right” now or confrontational, and you can dare to use your intuition and take action even when you don’t have all the answers. You don’t have to over-analyze things any more. Part of your soul-yearning in this life is to learn to trust in the process of life and to surrender your anxieties to a higher power. You are more loved than you realize.


Pisces North Nodes often find that having two or more jobs or roles is more pleasurable than just one---you can be an artist as well as a parent, or an accountant by day and a musician by evening. And at times you will benefit from swimming against the prevailing social currents of your time and swimming upstream like the Piscean symbol of the two fishes. At times you may find yourself struggling with issues around fear and faith, spirituality vs. religion or independence vs. dependence or addiction. You will find that beauty in all its forms nurtures you and helps you to access your higher power. Like the salmon that make their way home against all odds, you have the inner strength and the homing radar that can lead you to your spiritual home.


As a Pisces North Node person, you are the compassionate visionaries who light the way for the rest of us. And no matter what career path you choose, it’s going to be your inner compassion and intuition that brings you success and satisfaction. As you reach for the gold in the shadow of your South Node Virgo you’ll still enjoy analyzing, yet you’ll be able to soften in your position—and sometimes just simply doing what needs to be done with an accepting attitude. There’s a purity of heart in the Virgo ways that is released by the hopes, yearnings, and struggles of your Pisces North Node…..and remember…. that which you are reaching for, is already deep in your Soul.

Soul Purpose: Transcending boundaries by bringing compassionate and imaginative awareness into everything you do. You are meant to become an explorer of the deep psyche; the unconscious in all its manifestations, and to know that you are loved unconditionally. Let go of the idea that life “is a struggle” and embrace the idea that a pleasurable life is a good life, and that you deserve the “magic of a creative life” in which your head and heart, body and soul, work as one. The phrase “Be good to yourself” is meant for you.

Shadow: Do you still feel yourself struggling, self-doubting, and stressing about the little things in life? Lack of self-confidence, and issues around duty, guilt and shame need to be released. You are your worst enemy at those times when you buy into self-limiting beliefs about yourself.

The “anti-guru Guru” J. Krishnamurti, had these Pisces/Virgo Nodes. He was raised by New Age Theosophists in the early 1900’s to become a great spiritual leader, and he had enormous expectations put on him to “be right and almost beyond human” in all he did. In fact, he was expected to move into the role of becoming a World Teacher, if not “the second coming of Christ.”


The pressured discipline inherent in his South Node Virgo played itself out in his early life, and ultimately brought him to a nervous breakdown/enlightenment in his late twenties. Taken out of India as a child, he was educated in England, and it wasn’t until he was past his first Saturn Return in his thirties that he truly came into his self-confidence in himself as a person. At a huge assembly in Belgium, Krishnamurti stood up in front of thousands of people and declared that he was not the Messiah they were hoping for. He released himself from expectations and roles, and insisted that the only thing he could teach was how to be free. However he spoke with so much charisma, and experience bred from his personal struggles, that he created followers even in his rebellion.


Krishnamurti insisted that the only thing he could teach was about the nature of the mind itself and the way to freedom—a way that was without dogma or guidelines. He distained spiritual gurus and religions of any kind, and essentially had the heart of a mystic which shines through in his poetry. Ironically he ended up becoming just what the Theosophists predicted—a great spiritual teacher, yet what he taught was radically different than expected.


Freedom is the foundation for the Pisces North Node. Krishnamurti suffered in order to be free from limiting expectations, and he is best known for his teachings around the philosophy that: “Truth is a pathless land.” The use of “spiritual imagination” is another cornerstone for Pisces, and Krishnamurti evolved into becoming a cognitive mystic who dialogued constantly about moving beyond the realms of duality that most of us live in. His teachings influenced millions of people, including metaphysicians such as David Bohm.


The Pisces North Node urges us to bring the head and the heart together, and to find ways to transcend traditional boundaries and even to flow into altered states of consciousness. Meditation, in all its forms, is one of the most time honored ways to do this, and Krishnamurti spoke endlessly about meditation —here are a few of his quotes on the subject:

"Meditation is one of the greatest arts in life-perhaps the greatest, and one cannot possibly learn it from anybody, that is the beauty of it. It has no technique and therefore no authority. When you learn about yourself, watch yourself, watch the way you walk, how you eat, what you say, the gossip, the hate, the jealousy-if you are aware of all that in yourself, without any choice, that is part of meditation."

“Man, in order to escape his conflicts, has invented many forms of meditation. These have been based on desire, will, and the urge for achievement, and imply conflict and a struggle to arrive. This conscious, deliberate striving is always within the limits of a conditioned mind, and in this there is no freedom. All effort to meditate is the denial of meditation. Meditation is the ending of thought. It is only then that there is a different dimension which is beyond time.”

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posted March 10, 2011 06:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for giam     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
thank you! thank you ! thank you! D

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posted March 10, 2011 08:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for littlecloud     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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