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staborgi
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posted March 10, 2011 06:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for staborgi     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My theory is- the composite is the actual relationship. After you consider how your energies interact through synastry you can consider the relationship as a third entity which is the composite (I think we've all heard this idea before). The Davison seems to me to be another piece of the puzzle- how the relationship manifests in circumstances. I don't think you can feel the energy of the Davison the way you can the Composite. It's more like what just happens in your relationship- patterns of action or circumstances that you find yourself in with the person again and again. I have a feeling the idea might be hard to wrap one's head around but I was hoping to get some feedback on this if people have looked at composites v.s. davisons in the past or wanna try now... I used to rack my brain over the distinction and this is seeming to make sense to me.

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posted March 10, 2011 09:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for littlecloud     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
makes sense to me..but I never looked at the davison much...

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posted March 10, 2011 09:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for staborgi     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm finding that the Davison points to in many cases the bottom line of the relationship. Sounds fatalistic but it seems to check out...

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posted March 10, 2011 09:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for littlecloud     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
what would be hard aspects then?

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zanarkand112
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posted March 10, 2011 10:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for zanarkand112     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wow, this is amazing. You just put pretty much word for word what I have felt about the differences between the two for the past two years now. The Davison is not a good composite to see if two people are compatible as in if they will like each other or want a romantic relationship. Instead, it just gets straight to the point of what is going on in the relationship.(the bottom line, as you said) The Midpoint composite is more about the psychological dynamics taking place between two people once their energy is "combined" into a unit. The Davison is what is taking place in REALITY, despite how the two people FEEL in the relationship - which is more of the Midpoint Composite's specialty.

I also think Davison can tell you more about what will happen to a couple due to circumstances outside of the relationship, and how it will affect the couple as a unit. Bobmarksastrologer.com does a very good at pointing this out: http://www.bobmarksastrologer.com/relationshipdavidson26.0.htm

A good way to point at the differences between the two: Let's say a couple has the Sun, Moon, and Venus in the eighth house in the Midpoint Composite Chart. This is going to be a very intense relationship is the couple becomes really close and allows the composite to start taking affect.(because for the six months or so it's generally just the synastry taking place) But then if I look at the Davison(and even though it would be unlikely) let's say their Sun, Moon, and Venus moves from the eighth house from the Midpoint Composite to the fourth house in the Davison. This means that even though the relationship is a very deep, intense, and probably very sexual relationship as the Midpoint Composite points out -- the actual focus on the couple is going to be on domestic issues, creating an enriching/comfortable home life, exploring the past and their foundations of who they are together, the kind of couple showing up at each others family events together(rarely alone), and providing each other with a lot of nurture. They also may be very adventures when apart, but somehow the relationship makes them become total housecats hiding behind close doors when they are together. But even all this is occurring in reality, they are still mutually feeling those eight house themes at play in the way that they are registering all that is happening around them and to them that the Midpoint Composite points out.

I realize that was a bit messy, but I am pressed for time at that moment. This best describes the way I differentiate between the two.

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posted March 11, 2011 06:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for maira     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It wasn't messy at all zanarkand, you've explained it beautifully!

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posted March 11, 2011 07:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Deux*Antares     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Interesting. I haven't studied Davisons much. But I think staborgi and zanarkand are right. Thank you for sharing.

(And I find it funny that in the article Bob Marks used the correct spelling, which is Davison, but in the url it is spelled Davidson). Must be webmaster/tech guy's mistake.)

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posted March 11, 2011 11:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for zanarkand112     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I just realized I spelled it Davidson throughout my whole post. That is such a bad habit of mine. Hopefully I edited all of them. It's even worse when I say it out-loud. I almost always say "Davidson". I don't think it is reversible at this point. It is stuck in my brain this way, and I can't get it out.

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posted March 11, 2011 09:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for staborgi     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
zanarkand! yes! totally agree and you put it perfectly. I'm still getting the hang of interpreting aspects with this one since like we both seem to agree- its much more concrete in terms of actualities, particularly, as you mentioned, things from outside the relationship that affect it but in any case- actual events and the real world context of the relationship. I have a feeling if I knew a little more about predictive astrology, like progressions, I'd get a clearer idea of how to interpret certain aspects. One thing I've noticed for romantic relationships- squares to Venus from outer planets- particularly Saturn and Uranus- point to the a relationships eventual demise :/ all my romantic relationships where we just couldn't get it together, often due to other circumstances beyond our control, have that. Crazy.

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posted March 13, 2011 04:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for littlecloud     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So saying this would we prefer trines and sextiles in a Davison chart?

I know that an abundance in 'beneficiary' aspects can indicate more of a friendship rather than a relationship because the squares and opposition push us towards action and growth while trines are almost taken for granted.

This being said what are we looking for to indicate a healthy long-lasting relationship?

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posted March 13, 2011 11:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for staborgi     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have a feeling, like a lot of things, it will ultimately come back to the natal. Having said that though- one of my best friends- with whom I have a relationship we both agree is stable and continually enriching features 2 grand trines. Sadly she doesn't know her birthtime so I'm not sure about house placement though. I'm seeing a lot of conjunctions in long standing relationships. Not a whole lot of squares, but a decent amount seem to have oppositions. And yeah actually, a lot of soft aspects. I might be the wrong person to ask though because with my Pluto in 7th I don't have many err, "healthy" relationships to reference, lol.

I kind of wanna disagree though- in my experience squares in the Davison are kind of harder to deal with than in the composite. It doesn't feel so much about tension or forcing you to grow the way it would in synastry or a composite...to me it actually feels like the energies in question just clash kind of willfully in a kind of irreconcilable way. Just to stay on the example I've already used, the only square my friend and I have in our Davison is a Moon to Neptune. We indulge each other emotionally very often and encourage each other's deluded thinking. We get caught up in fantasies which end up being let downs and just perpetuate each other's moping around about it without forcing a reality check. In our case it's not detrimental to our friendship but my point is- this is a clear cut repeated course of action we participate in together. It doesn't help us grow or have any other implications beyond something we just do together.

I can't really get a handle on how the quincunx might operate and am curious if anyone has any thoughts there...I have a feeling it has to do with sudden explosions...

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posted March 15, 2011 11:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for nordicsoul     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
thanks for this thread. I learned a lot. unfurtunatelly, i have nothing to add.

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