posted March 18, 2011 01:12 AM            

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The reasoning is that he feels obligated to be there but does not feel that he is exactly desired at that place at that time, so there is lack of contact because of it. It's funny, but Venus/Saturn square excuses themselves out of the social swirl not having been rejected...

Of course he could cover it over with contempt or 'busy work' in an attempt to not come across as vulnerable, but that's what it is. Also, he could just be in the mood for solitude, and his Capricorn is going against the grain of expected Libran social grace/niceties. Does this make sense?

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Yes it does make sense. I feel that perhaps he shows up out of a sense of obligation (since he is friends with us), even though he doesn't feel like being there. That definitely seems Libran to me. I don't necessarily think that he feels like we will exclude him, since there have been many times when he'll be open and talk up a storm with the two of us without a trace of self-consciousness or anxiety.

HOWEVER...

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You learn more if you're quiet and listen.

The quiet Saturn guy above sounds like he's partly using the silence in his favor, too. By not always offering to talk, he's making enchantress curious. Now he knows that she really is interested in talking with him, because he sort of made her reveal her curiosity. He can also see how clever she is by gauging her picking up on his subtle cues. I used to operate that way myself when I was younger.

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THAT I could see too. In fact, I almost feel that description is a little more accurate just based on what I know of his personality. The last time he was in one of his quiet moods I FINALLY asked him as we were walking out what he thought of something and before he answered, he got the most charming smile on his face...

You see, I think part of it is that the two of us are very very stubborn. He is an Aquarius Sun, and inevitably I find that fixed sun signs out-stubborn even me with my Scorpio Rising/Scorpio Saturn/Leo Mars. I will not talk to him if he doesn't seem to want to talk, as I do not like feeling that I have to pry to get information out of someone. However, usually by the end of the night I end up asking him a question because it's one of those things that drives me nuts (all of my mutable planets probably).

I have nicknamed him the human microscope since he alternates between complete silence and then interrogating me. That's what he does when he's actually talkative. He teases me about things and then asks me questions and if he doesn't get the answer he wants (or feels he deserves), he will bring it up again at another time. He DOES pry for information... Which also drives me nuts.

Anyway, it's interesting what you two have said about the hard Venus/Saturn aspects. I myself actually have Venus sextile Saturn (within a degree) and so I have a bit of the flavor, but not near as much of the strife. I know when to be quiet and listen and when to talk, but it's not near as defined as it was when I was a kid. (I used to get the 'quiet kid' moniker a lot myself).

posted March 18, 2011 06:53 AM            

Because of their Cap rising/Cancer moon in common, it might be hard to separate out what they have in common just due to their rising sign.

But I've given it thought and here's what it's distilled down to:

They both have this facial expression on them that speaks to years of seeing way more trouble and way more suffering (and dealing with the fallout) than most people have. I know my aunt has been the backbone of her family, the one who always helps the others when things are down. For my husband, in his own words: "I'm always left holding the bag."

So maybe it's an underlying sadness there. And definitely some pessimism thrown in (like AG said). And there's a conservatism initially that makes you feel like an idiot for even telling them your new idea because they both give you this "look" like "oh, you poor idiot, you'll learn...."

But my aunt can laugh and have a good time, especially when some alcohol and music is involved, and so can my husband (if the conditions are right). So it's just the initial impression. I don't know, it's hard to explain.

posted March 18, 2011 07:35 PM            

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enchantress, I forgot to add that it could also possibly be his dislike of superficial behavior maybe he saw one of your friends in that manner, or something in that regard..

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Hmmm... I doubt it. He actually seems more superficial than me sometimes. I chalk it up to all of his air and Venus influence (Aqua and Libra). Half the time though, I get the feeling that it's an act. He's very much the type to be: 'Don't get too close to me,' and he would do this by showing you that he only cares about people on one level.

Plus, he's not consistent about it. Like I said, some days he's super open and jokes around and some days he's the opposite.

In any case, I could conjecture all day long, but I think I'm just going to ask him the next time I see him why he does that. Inquiring minds want to know. He may not give me a direct answer, but I figure it never hurts to ask.

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we be sexy mo fo's. quiet, mysterious....at first assumtion; "dark" (but i'm not anyway)...

moreso than Scorpio risings even. They are the only ones that come close to us (my ex was one).

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