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Topic: Natal Retrogrades
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JoJo Newflake Posts: 12 From: Registered: Mar 2011
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posted March 26, 2011 07:57 PM
Can someone please educate me on retrogrades?I have five in my natal: Mercury in the 9th house in Pisces Jupiter in the 1st house in Cancer Uranus in the 3rd house in Virgo Neptune in the 5th house in Scorpio Pluto in the the 3rd house in Virgo I've been reading up on it, but it's somewhat confusing. Any help you can give me will be greatly appreciated. Thanks! IP: Logged |
lalalinda Moderator Posts: 1300 From: nevada Registered: Apr 2009
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posted March 26, 2011 08:36 PM
Hi Jojo, actually there is an informative thread on Retrogrades in the "basic astrology forum" It will help you get you started.Good Luck IP: Logged |
JoJo Newflake Posts: 12 From: Registered: Mar 2011
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posted March 26, 2011 08:39 PM
Thank you. Unfortunately, I can't access that forum for some reason.IP: Logged |
lalalinda Moderator Posts: 1300 From: nevada Registered: Apr 2009
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posted March 26, 2011 09:27 PM
the password is astrology IP: Logged |
Alia Knowflake Posts: 499 From: az Registered: Apr 2009
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posted March 26, 2011 10:30 PM
my mars is retro in 3h scorpio. i can never express my anger or frustration i keep it inside and poisons me :/ IP: Logged |
Lonake Moderator Posts: 3539 From: U.S. Registered: Apr 2009
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posted March 27, 2011 12:52 AM
I have Rx Mars in the 3rd, I completely get where you're coming from.IP: Logged |
blugrey Knowflake Posts: 432 From: Portland, OR USA Registered: Nov 2010
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posted March 27, 2011 01:11 AM
I hate my Saturn retro. And my Neptune retro. It's so hard. I feel like I'm constantly struggling in my life and I have little rest. My Pluto and uranus retros are tolerable minus in relationships that's usually when my Pluto Rx comes out (in my 7th), but they flare up from time to time. But yeah... those Saturn and Neptune ones are probably some of my hardest placements. They are tightly conjunct too.I actually think that my merc Retro is a good thing for me. I don't mind it so much even though it can be hard sometimes to communicate exactly as I want to. IP: Logged |
Alia Knowflake Posts: 499 From: az Registered: Apr 2009
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posted March 27, 2011 03:45 AM
Lonake not only my mars is retro is also 0 degrees! shoot me pls!
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bonadea33 Knowflake Posts: 755 From: In the middle of nowhere Registered: Jan 2010
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posted March 27, 2011 07:12 AM
About Retrograde planets: I have seen, when they become Direct it happens something very important.It happened to me and also to my ex friend: in my case about my transformation (R planet in the 1st became Direct) and about the right diagnosis, R planet, ruler of my 6th became Direct. To him: when the ruler of his 5th (in 9th) became Direct, he found his great love in abroad. I told him that one year before; even if I wasn't sure it will happen. It happened. I like astrological prediction and this one is the easiest from all predictions. Bobbie
------------------ A friend is someone who knows all about you and and still likes you. Elbert Hubbard IP: Logged |
soulful122 Moderator Posts: 504 From: ←↓↑→ Registered: Jan 2010
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posted March 27, 2011 12:34 PM
Yeah me too.. I've got Mercury rx; probably wouldn't be that bad 'cept it's also conj Saturn. It's like having so much to say.. but when you go and try to say it, it doesn't come out the way you want it to, or the words just escape your mouths, or in this case, fingers lol. Every thing gets jumbled often.It's a pain in the a$$ everyday, especially in a forum-like setting where misunderstandings can happen so easily. It's easier when it's face to face, where people can see my facial expressions, hand gestures, body language, the tone of my voice etc. But.. in the end, I feel like I'm challenging myself every time I express my thoughts.. so it's a good thing, no matter how difficult it may be to put my thoughts together. ------------------ “If malice or envy were tangible and had a shape, it would be the shape of a boomerang.” — Charley Reese IP: Logged |
Lonake Moderator Posts: 3539 From: U.S. Registered: Apr 2009
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posted March 27, 2011 04:06 PM
Alia Now for penance we have to post something we like about our charts! Mine's Moon conj Venus.OT, Erin Sullivan has a good book on retrogrades. In general, the more Rx you have the less you seek outside approval. Renegades and they can bring a lot of new views into many areas of life. The energy turns inward so you get to put your own personal spin on it. It's kind of freeing once you get past the fact that it doesn't operate like the energy of others. IP: Logged |
Alia Knowflake Posts: 499 From: az Registered: Apr 2009
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posted March 27, 2011 04:13 PM
L, Moon venus is super sweet.. My good one is venus conj MC also love my 12 h jupiter my guardian angel cos i get in trouble alot! IP: Logged |
maira Knowflake Posts: 220 From: Registered: Jun 2009
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posted March 27, 2011 04:14 PM
Lonake, I agree. It takes quite a lot, but once you understand them, they don't feel awful, just different.I have Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, Neptune and Pluto retro. Saturn and Pluto have been the toughest. IP: Logged |
Doux Rêve Knowflake Posts: 149 From: Everywhere :) Registered: Dec 2010
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posted March 27, 2011 04:33 PM
Can you elaborate more on how the outer planets feel being retrograde in the natal? And especially Saturn, please. I know quite a few people with Saturn retro, just don't know how it plays out.IP: Logged |
Lonake Moderator Posts: 3539 From: U.S. Registered: Apr 2009
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posted March 27, 2011 05:21 PM
Saturn rx can sometimes lend to father issues or problem with authority, sometimes inconsistency in the dynamic which can lead to a child feeling out of control, so the challenge is to find their own inner authority and conduct their life in terms of planning etc along those lines, they get to parent themselves in that way. What we know is that children need consistency growing up so that they learn to not take on so much and so that they can feel in control which is very important for their self esteem, they know what to expect day to day. So saturn rx needs to manage their time in a productive way, except the part that's up in the air (as its Rx) is that they get to choose how, since either the parent didn't model it or they didn't accept what the parents offered and chose to make their own way. So there can be a unique perspective on authority in other areas of life, they have to show that they can do their job before saturn rx will respect them, they have to live up to the Saturn person's standards since they're not the main accepted standards that most are fed. Hope this makes sense.IP: Logged |
amowls** Knowflake Posts: 180 From: Registered: Dec 2010
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posted March 27, 2011 05:31 PM
quote: Mercury in the 9th house in Pisces
WHEW-WEE! Mercury in fall/accidental detriment AND retrograde! Do you often times feel frustrated because you can't communicate verbally? Like there's a link missing between your thoughts and your mouth? IP: Logged |
JoJo Newflake Posts: 12 From: Registered: Mar 2011
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posted March 27, 2011 05:44 PM
quote: Originally posted by amowls**: WHEW-WEE! Mercury in fall/accidental detriment AND retrograde! Do you often times feel frustrated because you can't communicate verbally? Like there's a link missing between your thoughts and your mouth?
Actually, no. I've always been a great communicator and have no problem telling people exactly where I stand. I read that Mercury Rx is also known for slow learning, and that wasn't the case for me either. The apparent inconsistencies between what I've read and my experience is what has caused me a great deal of confusion. IP: Logged |
amowls** Knowflake Posts: 180 From: Registered: Dec 2010
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posted March 27, 2011 06:15 PM
Hm. I have Mercury Rx in my 9th and sometimes I'm at a loss for the right word, especially in situations where I can't type/write something down first and have to just orate. Often times people don't get what I'm saying or they miss the point entirely.Never been a slow learner, either (and I'm a fast reader). Rx just means that the energy is turned inwards. IP: Logged |
blugrey Knowflake Posts: 432 From: Portland, OR USA Registered: Nov 2010
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posted March 27, 2011 07:54 PM
quote: Originally posted by Lonake: Saturn rx can sometimes lend to father issues or problem with authority, sometimes inconsistency in the dynamic which can lead to a child feeling out of control, so the challenge is to find their own inner authority and conduct their life in terms of planning etc along those lines, they get to parent themselves in that way. What we know is that children need consistency growing up so that they learn to not take on so much and so that they can feel in control which is very important for their self esteem, they know what to expect day to day. So saturn rx needs to manage their time in a productive way, except the part that's up in the air (as its Rx) is that they get to choose how, since either the parent didn't model it or they didn't accept what the parents offered and chose to make their own way. So there can be a unique perspective on authority in other areas of life, they have to show that they can do their job before saturn rx will respect them, they have to live up to the Saturn person's standards since they're not the main accepted standards that most are fed. Hope this makes sense.
This sounds exactly like me. It's so difficult. My father and my relationship was terrible and I have such trouble with all those issues around work too. I have little ambition and motivation because I just simply don't see the point in it. I feel like I can never measure up, even to my own standards. It's so hard. :\ IP: Logged |
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 7531 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted March 27, 2011 08:06 PM
quote: Originally posted by blugrey: I hate my Saturn retro. And my Neptune retro. It's so hard. I feel like I'm constantly struggling in my life and I have little rest. My Pluto and uranus retros are tolerable minus in relationships that's usually when my Pluto Rx comes out (in my 7th), but they flare up from time to time. But yeah... those Saturn and Neptune ones are probably some of my hardest placements. They are tightly conjunct too.I actually think that my merc Retro is a good thing for me. I don't mind it so much even though it can be hard sometimes to communicate exactly as I want to.
Can you explain how Saturn and Neptune Retro feel to you,Bluegray I have them as well as Merc Retro. Thank you ------------------ Jesus never put his trust in man cuz he knew what was in man. He who controls his Spirit is greater than he who controls a city Proverbs IP: Logged |
Lonake Moderator Posts: 3539 From: U.S. Registered: Apr 2009
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posted March 27, 2011 10:56 PM
quote: Originally posted by blugrey: This sounds exactly like me. It's so difficult. My father and my relationship was terrible and I have such trouble with all those issues around work too. I have little ambition and motivation because I just simply don't see the point in it. I feel like I can never measure up, even to my own standards. It's so hard. :\
That's kinda the neat part about it, you can change your standards. It's building from the ground up, but when it's finished it's yours. I wonder if Saturn rx relates to having a different set of values regarding the material world...it's possible, it does make sense, where the endless consumption of others and the inefficiency just all looks like a waste. That's imo, I have Saturn rx too, and the different values could be a piece of the pie, have never thought about it like that..IP: Logged |
blugrey Knowflake Posts: 432 From: Portland, OR USA Registered: Nov 2010
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posted March 28, 2011 01:08 AM
quote: Originally posted by Ami Anne: Can you explain how Saturn and Neptune Retro feel to you,Bluegray I have them as well as Merc Retro. Thank you
I feel like I often have so many ideas and dreams. I also often would rather live in my head and fantasies than in the real world, to the point of sometimes giving up the real thing. I also feel like with the Saturn Rx makes me super melancholy - it's opposition my Mars in Cancer. I constantly get depressed and thank god I have my bright cheery Sag Moon or else I have no idea how I'd keep going. I feel like there is no place in the world for me. I often fantasize about becoming a gypsy and rejecting all material things and just living simply - of course I love material things. On top of this with my Gemini and Sun opposition Moon It's like constantly changing - what I want to do, what I think is good. ETc. Bah. My chart is lovely! But the Saturn Rx just dampens me. I hate working. If I could just sit home and write and travel, it'd be perfect. I have no care for money, I only use it to get to do things or have things, but I dont see the value in keeping it. So it's frustrating to be stuck in a world that makes me have bills and work and taxes and finance all those things I really hate dealing with. IP: Logged |