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Topic: Saturn Libra 4th? Mother or Fathering issues?
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Davy333
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posted March 30, 2011 05:51 PM
  
Hi...
I was wondering if anyone could give a bit more insight into Saturn Libra 4th house, The ruler on the cusp of 4th house is Virgo. I have read the 4th house has to do with core ideals, self worth, the sign on the cusp (virgo) indicates the filter which I view core beliefs, the inner voice that sings to me when happy or sad throughout life. Mothering? I have had a crazy sad complex relationship with me mother, and the voice that follows me around in my core, isnt good.
SO I have in the 4th Saturn and Jupiter both in Libra conjunct... and the only aspects with Saturn is squaring Mars in Sag in the 6th house, as well as Jupiter squaring Mars. How does this effect mothering, inner emotion beliefs, nurturing, core beliefs, Whats the connection with Saturn?
My moon, is in aries in the 11th house, and I have found I have been looking into people external things, groups, to compensate for the lack of emotional security from Mother, instead what I ended up getting was a reflection of those inner core beliefs , how my mother treated me, everyone else treated me... no matter how much healing work, therapy, this voice of doubt which isnt mine, follows me around So... Curious if anyone had anything else to add?Or did it have to do with my Father, who I had to win his approval and never could, he always scared me, he was shut off alot, selfish, physically abusive at times, and yet other times charming, funny, but always that tension, and always gone, worked out of town... never there for most anything. So is it mothering, or fathering? Saturn 4thg Thanks [img]astro_2gw_01_david_leo.75363.26651.gif [img] IP: Logged |
dysfunctionalmystic
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posted March 30, 2011 07:08 PM
It may be both, it's always a good idea to stay flexible when deciding whether to allocate the mother or father and the 4th/10th house.The one thing the 4th does usually describe is conditions in the early upbringing, Saturn here would describe either a coldness or possibly financial restrictions...the link wasn't working so I couldn't look at your chart but I'll check back some time tomorrow. Saturn and Jupiter together suggests a bi polar thing going on... but for the record that voice of doubt is yours...it could well be the voice of Saturn but it's still your Saturn xxxx IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted March 30, 2011 08:07 PM
(((Davy))
I understand that voice.If there was a way to anniliate it,I would have thrown a neutron bomb a long time ago  ------------------
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racole12
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posted March 30, 2011 08:25 PM
I have Saturn in the 4th (in Virgo... 4th ruled by Virgo) My father was/is still cold. My mom is caring but wasn't really nurturing. I felt like I had 2 roommates that were older than me... never felt like a family. My dad was more like how someone described above... who I had to win his approval and never could, he always scared me, he was shut off alot, selfish, verbally and emotionally abusive at times, always that tension in the house like walking on eggshells. IP: Logged |
rajji
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posted March 31, 2011 12:08 AM
I have saturn in scorpio in the 4th house
Yes as for me it can be both.
Saturn in scorpio indicates absemce of father..and yes he was never there for us..Oflste I have no feelings for him.
And Saturn in the Fourth house does indicate a not a rosy childhood probably a strict mother or father and upbringing can be devoid of the so called motherly love and attachment which is true in my case.IP: Logged |
MertSerimer
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posted March 31, 2011 03:22 AM
İf you have Saturn on 4th house, Mars house placement and aspects is Godly important because in predictive astrology it shows the untimely loss of very close family member or relative.IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted March 31, 2011 04:43 AM
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Originally posted by MertSerimer:
İf you have Saturn on 4th house, Mars house placement and aspects is Godly important because in predictive astrology it shows the untimely loss of very close family member or relative.
Can you explain more,please Mert?
Thanks so much
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Ami Anne
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posted March 31, 2011 04:52 AM
OK, so in simple terms ,could you say that whatever house in which you have Saturn will have coldness and restriction in that sphere of life.
Do any of you have it Retro.If so,how does this add to the mix?
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Ami Anne
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posted March 31, 2011 05:02 AM
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Originally posted by racole12:
I have Saturn in the 4th (in Virgo... 4th ruled by Virgo) My father was/is still cold. My mom is caring but wasn't really nurturing. I felt like I had 2 roommates that were older than me... never felt like a family. My dad was more like how someone described above... who I had to win his approval and never could, he always scared me, he was shut off alot, selfish, verbally and emotionally abusive at times, always that tension in the house like walking on eggshells.
Did you just come to this realization ,Racole?
Had you seen your family in a different light prior to this time.
I thought I remember you expressing that your family was a more supportive and easier one.
I could be wrong.
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MertSerimer
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posted March 31, 2011 05:05 AM
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Can you explain more,please Mert?
Thanks so much
Found it finally. In natal chart, When Saturn in 4th house and Mars in 10th house(So opposition) or Mars close to Mc, what i said may happen. quote:
Originally posted by MertSerimer:
İf you have Saturn on 4th house, Mars house placement and aspects is Godly important because in predictive astrology it shows the untimely loss of very close family member or relative.
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Ami Anne
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posted March 31, 2011 05:09 AM
WHY the 10th or MC ,Mert?------------------
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MertSerimer
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posted March 31, 2011 05:19 AM
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
WHY the 10th or MC ,Mert?
First of all, It is just a predictive astrology and so it is like fortune telling.
It is up to you whether to believe it or not. There is a really developped astrological website in my country which interpretes the natal chart in both psyhcological and predictive way . When i was looking for my friend's chart, there was a small warning from there about Mars placement. I tried natal chart again and i found it. But it is predictive astrology you knoww. But any Mars Saturn hard aspect is really worse than other hard aspects. It brings many problems anyway. 4th house is about mom, but probably if i remember correctly loss of father, uncle or aunt is possible. Mc/Ic line is about family and status. Maybe because of that it can indicate loss. BUT this loss does not have to be a passing away. Maybe he/she just goes out of your life foreverly because of fights or disaggrements or choices.. IP: Logged |
racole12
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posted March 31, 2011 12:29 PM
AmiIt has always been this way. They are supportive in a materialistic way but the emotional stuff has always been foreign to them. The word "love" is not used in the house... neither is hugging. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted March 31, 2011 12:36 PM
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Originally posted by racole12:
AmiIt has always been this way. They are supportive in a materialistic way but the emotional stuff has always been foreign to them. The word "love" is not used in the house... neither is hugging.
OK Gottcha Racole ------------------
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abcd efg
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posted March 31, 2011 02:20 PM
Saturn in 4th in Pisces and Mars in 10th. So it could be going away of near ones. Because none of my near ones had passed away but one of my aunties had moved away forever from our family due to disagreements. However this had happened few years before my birth. Can this be counted upon as it was before?IP: Logged |
Davy333
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posted April 27, 2011 04:31 PM
WOW... thanks for the replies though my question seemed to get buried under others with similiar issues...I guess my question is how can it be healed? My Mother wasn't sure how to love me, done more so in a materialistic way, hugged and kissed because that's what mothers do, but something was missing. As a result, felt that something is wrong with me. I know its not true, but my subcon programs hold steady. Father was the same way, but much more distant and cold, gave orders instead of guidance, so I feared him, resented him. Yet I understand their limitations now as an adult, but I dont want to be stuck with the pathology for the rest of my life, their limits becoming fused into my own being!!! How do you post a chart on here... rawww... I can never do it.. smile. 
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Poupoupidou
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posted November 13, 2015 02:25 PM
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Originally posted by Davy333:
I was wondering if anyone could give a bit more insight into Saturn Libra 4th house (...)
How does this effect mothering, inner emotion beliefs, nurturing, core beliefs, Whats the connection with Saturn? (...) did it have to do with my Father, who I had to win his approval and never could, he always scared me, he was shut off alot, selfish, physically abusive at times, and yet other times charming, funny, but always that tension, and always gone, worked out of town... never there for most anything.
Saturn in the 4th house dictates our relationship with ancestors and traditions, which is a bit different than parenting. It also deals with conditional and unconditional love, so this may explain the issue with your father. It's also about how you will deal with your children and how you will organize your legacy.
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