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Diabla
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posted April 02, 2011 08:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Diabla     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hello knowflakes,

This is the chart of my boyfriend- i would like to know what u can see there, as i CANT be totally objective.

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Redstar
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posted April 02, 2011 10:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Redstar     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
He has an exact Mars-Pluto square, coupled with that Mars being in the 8th,
I would presume issues of control, perhaps submerged anger and a potential deadly but well hidden temper may be present. Can lead to violence if not dealt with and expressed properly.

Add to that his Virgo Moon receiving only challenging aspects, I think he might have some deep seated rage due to the challenge of integrating emotional impulses with the rest of his personality.

The sweetness I would attribute to that Sun-Venus conjunctionadn perhaps to the Cancer ASc.

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posted April 02, 2011 10:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Man,Diabla
Is this the guy we talked about many months ago,with the Sag placements ?

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posted April 02, 2011 11:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for popcorn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It looks like his feelings are the most important in his life. I see that because his moon... ASC in Cancer. His moon in house 4. His moon triggs deeply and hard. He is strong intuitive. Get him time. Only the time show how he handle his aspect pattern.

The mars and pluto in square are an good trigger to make reality for what ever he wants to do in his life. It's not always bad. I've 2 friends who have mars and pluto in conj in virgo and I cant see this two people use that bad.

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posted April 02, 2011 12:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Redstar     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

But that moon is not at it's best - so I beg to differ on the ease of it's expression within his chart or the level of easily accessed intuition he has.

I never said this was fatalistically bad, I merely pointed out what aspects may present
challenges and what would be the nature of those challenges to the OP.

Also, a mars/pluto conjunction like popcorn's friends have will behave differently to a stressed mars-pluto square.
Aspects are not all the same, or we wouldn't have a such a variety of them if they were.

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Diabla
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posted April 02, 2011 02:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Diabla     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hello guys

Redstar u are spot on.

Popcorn-oh u are spot on. very intuitive.

thanks for all ur replies : )
i appreciate it

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posted April 02, 2011 02:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ElijahSpace     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm a cancer rising and the visual natal chart is very similar to mine. He has full 6th house, this is maybe an indicator that he wants to be Great, to achieve something in life, and that task is the most important for him.
Moon in 4th (and ruler of his chart) is quite instinctive, bears memories. Mars in 8th may indicate power issues (a desire for gaining power). With Mars in Capricorn he is maybe working hard (ambitiously) on that goal.
But Virgo Moon is not so 'bad' for relationships. I know many Virgo Moons who are extremely devoted to their love life (partner). Yet, it is pretty tamed and challenged.
But most important is, what do you see in him? What do you expect from this relationship?
Relationships are ever evoluating process and they're never the same as the beginning. People most evolve as the relationships evolve. The Relationship is a third entity developed from the two. You must take good care of it. You must see what bothers you, and most importantly - why? Only you can see this things.
not every time in every crisis the solution is Leaving.
And, you must look at your chart - that is the most important. Look at Venus and 7th house - how do you relate to others? Look at your progressed Venus - what changed? Maybe your progressed Venus is in conjunction with your natal Mercury, so you're gaining a new perception of feelings and ways of relating to others. Maybe your progressed Mercury is on your natal Venus so it brings you a Message: "See your feelings, examine them". And etc..
Look at his progressed chart - maybe he is going through 'tough' period also?!
There're many things to look for, not only these two charts presented here.

Much love,
Elijah

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Diabla
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posted April 02, 2011 02:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Diabla     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hello Elijah,

Thank you for ur input and words!

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its staurn's fault :P LOL jk

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posted April 02, 2011 03:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ElijahSpace     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Diabla,

Interestingly, I'm Aquarius with cancer Rising, you're the opposite
Well Aquarius Rising people are quite Uranian in their influence: sudden and like a thunder from the bright sky. These sudden changes can be very unpleasant for the security lover - Cancer rising. I know this by experience, my best friend is AQ rising.
I want to ask you about that Mercury on Descendant. It can be very untamed in perception of what other people think and to view their perception through your own eyes, but quite foggy and with your own belief system. This can be especially challenged through the square with Mars. And the Tine to Neptune can add to this perception in terms of fantasies and illusions. It can be dreamy. It has a sextile with Pluto also, and this can bring excitement to it.
Your Mercury is pretty important in your chart, isn't he?

Much Love
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posted April 02, 2011 03:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ElijahSpace     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
And why do you think that it is a Saturn's fault? Lol

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posted April 03, 2011 04:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Redstar     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Now now don't go blaming poor old Saturn all by his lonesome self here

....just LOOK at that T-square between your Saturn 9th, Venus 6th and Moon 3rd!!!!
It is a fixed T-square, with the focus/stress point being your....VENUS!!!

I think finding a way to work and resolve this configuration would benefit you immensely.
The moon -saturn opposition bit of the T-square can point to emotional reticence, perhaps you experienced much conditional love in childhood, or nurturing always came with a catch. Trusting people can be hard for you, especially with your heart. Fear of emotional betrayal, of the way things never last etc, and the need to be dead certain before committing (as you don't take this lightly) may be present.

Add venus to all this and you have a set up rife for emotional compromise - meaning you will sacrifice emotional parts of yourself in the line of duty to keep things harmonious and nice in a relationship.
So I would be aware of this also, as well as the way your partner may be (his astrological make-up)

From your chart using a quick assessment, I don't see near enough indication of a temper or submerged emotional rage etc.
Your detached Aqua Asc and Earth moon ground your Cancer sun petty nicely. In fact, its only your Mars in Scorpio than can indicate any kind of subsurface tension related to unexpressed anger or rage.

I think with that T-square and the 6th house Cancer sun, your biggest thing in a relationship is to be the doubter, the worrier as to whether it will work, if you are good enough etc.

So you two are different in this respect.
He certainly does have that duality to his nature, and those darker elements in his psyche - which he can choose to either express outwardly in a negative, or a more positive way (channel that mars-pluto square into something constructive).

You do have some nice aspects between you.


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Diabla
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posted April 03, 2011 11:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Diabla     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Elijah, really? how awesome! I love Aqua suns

Yes, I have strong uranian influences!- and love freedom.

Now to ur question- yes Mercury is very important!- COMMUNICATION!

Yes, im very dreamy and idealistc.

And well not really blaming Saturn - because at the end is my soul that chose to experiences all this.
But I meant, Saturn is about lessons, is the one that teaches you with pain - makes you experience limitations, depravation -karmatic ties-situations.

So in my case it has a lot to do with love (since its hard on my venus and moon)-

And I know in the end, we've got the power to change things and situations. Not feel helpless to astrological aspects doom. But still, sometimes real life situations wears one energy out.

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posted April 03, 2011 11:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Diabla     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hello Redstar!

poor ol' Saturn

Oh that T-Square, yes, everything you say is so SPOT ON!.

You just said it all perfectly. Specially this part- "sacrificing emotional parts of myself in the line of duty to keep things harmonious"

I need peace and harmony def ...

And i do have a complicated temper somtimes.. but compared to him-Im Gandhi.
LOL

And yes, maybe we will work it out. I dont know really. I just dont like his dark side.
But i still love him.

Its complicated.

Anyway,

Thanks so much for input everyone!!!. Its been really helpful!

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posted April 03, 2011 11:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Can you put the synastry up,Diabla?

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Ami Anne
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posted April 03, 2011 11:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
While you are at it, put up your natal, too
I want to check out Nessus,Deja,Pluto/Moon in synastry.
The exact degrees from the natal help.

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posted April 03, 2011 01:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Diabla     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
synastry edit

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Ami Anne
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posted April 03, 2011 02:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted April 03, 2011 02:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ElijahSpace     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Diabla:
Elijah, really? how awesome! I love Aqua suns

Yeah, and I love Cancer Suns, through my cancer rising I suppose
But we share the South Node in Sag also, I suppose that you're born in 1983?
I'm 1984. You're the last of the generation with Pluto Libra. I'm the beginning of Pluto Scorpio - ouch
Your Neptune is also the last of the Sag generation. Mine is at 0 degrees Capricorn.
But we share Jupiter in Capricorn and I'm working with that Jupiter who wants to Visualize his goal in order to be motivated to achieve it. Do you have found similar traits in you with that Jupiter placement?
And that Uranus in our South Node sign is very Freedom Loving isn't he?!
One reason why that Mercury is so important in your chart is because he is a ruler of your North Node in Gemini. I suppose you want to talk, and talk about the truths that you have found (Sag South Node).

Much Love,
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posted April 03, 2011 05:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by ElijahSpace:
I'm a cancer rising and the visual natal chart is very similar to mine. He has full 6th house, this is maybe an indicator that he wants to be Great, to achieve something in life, and that task is the most important for him.
Moon in 4th (and ruler of his chart) is quite instinctive, bears memories. Mars in 8th may indicate power issues (a desire for gaining power). With Mars in Capricorn he is maybe working hard (ambitiously) on that goal.
But Virgo Moon is not so 'bad' for relationships. I know many Virgo Moons who are extremely devoted to their love life (partner). Yet, it is pretty tamed and challenged.
But most important is, what do you see in him? What do you expect from this relationship?
Relationships are ever evoluating process and they're never the same as the beginning. People most evolve as the relationships evolve. The Relationship is a third entity developed from the two. You must take good care of it. You must see what bothers you, and most importantly - why? Only you can see this things.
not every time in every crisis the solution is Leaving.
And, you must look at your chart - that is the most important. Look at Venus and 7th house - how do you relate to others? Look at your progressed Venus - what changed? Maybe your progressed Venus is in conjunction with your natal Mercury, so you're gaining a new perception of feelings and ways of relating to others. Maybe your progressed Mercury is on your natal Venus so it brings you a Message: "See your feelings, examine them". And etc..
Look at his progressed chart - maybe he is going through 'tough' period also?!
There're many things to look for, not only these two charts presented here.

Much love,
Elijah


Elijah
I notice on your many posts what a sweet spirit you have

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posted April 03, 2011 06:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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