posted April 09, 2011 01:57 PM            

Do you feel that your moon is forever hampered by Mars and Mars forever caught up in loop with the Moon?

Thanks so much.Please,use any squares as examples .

posted April 09, 2011 07:09 PM            

The square is you having this tense internal dialogue, people on the outside could be telling you 'no no it's not the case' but it would never matter. They need to be wrestled with and the person needs to find a way to incorporate both energies as a compromise within themselves. The danger with squares is that they can get really out of hand and the person acts out the energy in a very forceful manner to the point that it causes problems in their life, and when others react to their actions, that's the point when someone outside of them becomes involved, and not any sooner.

If there are enough stressful events that happen outside of the self, that bring to their awareness the dynamic, then the constant externalization can prompt change, but it can take a long while for the square person to really 'get it,' it's a stubborn aspect. The opposition doesn't internalize the energy cos it's always met in another, they always meet it outside of themselves so they have to deal with it.

The square can go for a long while on their merry way and ignore the effects that their actions have on others and just live in this strange state of being completely oblivious, everyone sees it except for them. All they can recognize is the tension.

Lots of squares generate stress and make you get up and do something about it, positive or negative it doesn't matter, the energy just has to get out, because it's like living in a pressure cooker. Not to say that a person with a lot of squares will always be an energetic person, I mean you could go out and get drunk to get away from stress and that's not particularly energy fueled. But there will be specific coping mechanisms in one form or another, and these coping skills can change at the drop of a hat, it doesn't matter as long as the energy has an outlet.

If someone is missing Cardinal energy in the chart, it can be compensated for by possessing many squares. There are attempts to always work on the issue and to resolve, so there are many many beginnings until a resolution is found, and even then there's a lot of refining work done, that's the cardinal quality of the square playing out.

posted April 09, 2011 07:38 PM            

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Originally posted by Lonake:
The square is internal tension, it generates from the inside. The opposition is external tension, you usually meet it out there in the world, typically from someone playing out one side of it and you the other until it's resolved and the energies can be incorporated equally.

The square is you having this tense internal dialogue, people on the outside could be telling you 'no no it's not the case' but it would never matter. They need to be wrestled with and the person needs to find a way to incorporate both energies as a compromise within themselves. The danger with squares is that they can get really out of hand and the person acts out the energy in a very forceful manner to the point that it causes problems in their life, and when others react to their actions, that's the point when someone outside of them becomes involved, and not any sooner.

If there are enough stressful events that happen outside of the self, that bring to their awareness the dynamic, then the constant externalization can prompt change, but it can take a long while for the square person to really 'get it,' it's a stubborn aspect. The opposition doesn't internalize the energy cos it's always met in another, they always meet it outside of themselves so they have to deal with it.

The square can go for a long while on their merry way and ignore the effects that their actions have on others and just live in this strange state of being completely oblivious, everyone sees it except for them. All they can recognize is the tension.

Lots of squares generate stress and make you get up and do something about it, positive or negative it doesn't matter, the energy just has to get out, because it's like living in a pressure cooker. Not to say that a person with a lot of squares will always be an energetic person, I mean you could go out and get drunk to get away from stress and that's not particularly energy fueled. But there will be specific coping mechanisms in one form or another, and these coping skills can change at the drop of a hat, it doesn't matter as long as the energy has an outlet.

If someone is missing Cardinal energy in the chart, it can be compensated for by possessing many squares. There are attempts to always work on the issue and to resolve, so there are many many beginnings until a resolution is found, and even then there's a lot of refining work done, that's the cardinal quality of the square playing out.

But typically a person with a lot of squares is a quite dynamic person and likes to keep moving and generating new ideas and schemes, and pushing forward until their needs are met. They're not really allowed to become too comfortable because something always prompts them to approach the subject anew. Even if there's a part of their life working how they want, they'll prob still want to incorporate new things and switch it up just cos there's something inside that says you can't be too still for too long.

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Brilliant
Thank you Lonake

posted April 09, 2011 07:40 PM            

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Originally posted by CrazyAquarian:
I got one major one, between my sun and moon.

What does it feel like? It feels like one side of me wants to do something but the other side feels its needs me not to. It feels like my personality or self is counteractive. Example, my Aqua part will want to have social relationships with anyone and be friendly, but inside my Scorp will feel icky and empty because its too superficial and depthless, so in the end I guess I turn back to Aqua and be flaky till they are gone lol Scorp wants intimacy while Aqua is afraid of it. So I crave being close to people or opening up to special ones but can get all icky feeling that I can't really describe, like I just don't want to go there, but when I don't my needs don't feel met. So its like tug of war, when one side decides to act for it self the others is like ugh ew.

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Thank you ((Crazy Aqua))
Great explanation

posted April 09, 2011 07:42 PM            

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Originally posted by amowls**:
Hmmm

I have Venus square Saturn and Uranus (which are conjunct) by 0 degrees. It's always a constant fight. I'm never satisfied. Like, I get with a guy, I really want to be in a relationship with him but there's always the nagging feeling where sometimes I just want to sleep with every guy I see (that's not my boyfriend). I hate hate hate being single. But I want to sleep around. It doesn't matter how perfect a guy is.

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This one seems hard,Amwols. Whenever you get Uranus in there ,you can expect trouble lol

posted April 10, 2011 03:11 PM            

Edit: I actually have 14 in my personal planets and a few more with Juno etc.

posted April 10, 2011 09:37 PM            

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Originally posted by CrazyAquarian:
I see the light!

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posted April 11, 2011 09:02 AM            

I think one can go to a square, try to access the two sides of it,and from there have concrete energy patterns(which are what all astrology is based on,imo) with which to work.

I have one square in the natal ,as I said ,which is generational.
However, I think prominent asteroids are big factors in the chart.
I ,only, know how to work with Nessus,Deja and Eros.
Asteroids are a huge study,as big as planets ,perhaps,so one has to do it slowly so it means something lol
This thread has really helped me. Thank you,again

posted April 11, 2011 09:04 AM            

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Originally posted by Lonake:
I have to add that I can't wait to move from my place, this is completely ot, im sorry but i just saw my neighbor beating her kid with a brush out in daylight, i mean it's not ok anyway, but come on.

SOS is needed everywhere it seems!

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I am sorry,Lonake, that you have to be part of that even to know it is happening and not be able to do anything.

posted April 11, 2011 09:05 AM            

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Originally posted by northernlad:
my virgo moon is squared by my ascendant conj uranus. i find myself at odds with wanting to be a free spirit and wanting emotional stability/security.

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This makes total sense, NL

posted April 13, 2011 07:50 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:

I am sorry,Lonake, that you have to be part of that even to know it is happening and not be able to do anything.

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posted April 13, 2011 10:42 PM            

Sun/Mars - I definitely feel this one very strongly. My career has always compromised my overall life. I don't have any friends that I see on a daily basis, I'm nearly estranged to my family and forget relationships. It's a constant battle and, since Mars is personalized for me, work usually wins.

Mercury/Mars - This one is more subtle. I used to find myself in many situations where my work was compromised by my ability to communicate and a lot of my ideas and suggestions. I've since learned to integrate the two rather well (possibly because Mercury is in H10) and turned this one in to a strength. On bad days, this one occasionally rears its ugly head but I've decided I like it.

Jupiter/Saturn - This one is no joke. I had MAJOR problems with it growing up. I'd either try to expand without creating a firm enough "launch-pad," as it were, or try to expand by restricting myself (totally doesn't work). For me, the key to this one is moderation. Always a great quality, this is something I still struggle daily with but have gotten better at.

Sun/Uranus - This one has definitely become a strength for me. With the Sun in challenging aspect to Uranus, I seem to have an on again off again ability to do original, quality work as well as a substantial ego. Sometimes. It's Uranus. You never know when what is going to happen. The Saturn/Midheaven square has definitely helped stabilize this one but it wasn't an instant fix. When faced with a new structure I'm always a bit apprehensive/defensive and I ABSOLUTELY REFUSE to be forced in to anything. It's like putting a wild animal on a leash or keeping a whale in captivity. My dorsal fin droops. Lol. Saturn has given me an understanding of/need for structure, however, and I've learned to produce brilliant (in MY mind) results on a bit of a more regular basis. By the way, this paragraph's wording should make this placement evident.

Mercury/Uranus - This one is similar to the Sun/Uranus square above but is more mentally placed. Once again, thank you Saturn. This one has definitely become a strength(I sound conceited but I'm not. Promise.).

Mercury/Neptune - This one has helped more than hurt thanks in part to Mercury placements and my good friend Saturn. With some hard work and self-control, I've learned to express this more in my sense of humor and in creative outlets such as writing, designing, etc. My job allows me lots of freedom, a self-managed schedule, and plenty of creative opportunity. Without it, I'd just die. I'd be so dead that I'd owe death money and have to make payments in dignity. 'Nuff said.

Venus/Neptune - If it weren't for a Venus/Saturn trine, I'd probably never have had a relationship. This one is tough to describe in a personal way due mostly to only having had two long-term relationships. The first was with a VERY watery guy and this aspect caused problems for me. I saw what I wanted and was crushed a year later when we finally tore off the veil (glamorous, though it was). The second was with someone with Neptune personalized but he was an "it is what it is" Aquarius. With him, I found stability and someone to ground me. I needed the dreamy aspect which he provided but, when necessary, he could take my rose-colored glasses and put them up for a while. Honestly, this one is SO hard for me as love, by its very nature, causes blindness at first. Mine is just really bad. To combat this, I've taken a rather cynical view of relationships altogether insisting that a partner prove his worth before even trying anything. This strategy, along with Pluto in the 5th, has helped immensely. I don't have a lot of activity in the romance department but, when I do, it's huge.

Sun/Ascendant - This one has gotten better since youth thanks largely to a personalized Mercury, Chiron in H12, and a Leo H3. I'm drawn very intensely to helping others communicate (I sell phones) and, in doing so, have learned to communicate effectively myself. While I still have issues with being misunderstood and, occasionally, find my self-expression at a loss (thanks to the lovely Mercury/Uranus square), I like to think this one has been integrated quite nicely.

Mercury/Ascendant - This one is totally a struggle for me and may be the most difficult one I face. I find myself SO nervous when I meet new people (see a previous post where I feared agoraphobia). I find myself struggling to overcome some sort of fear when I meet new people and falling back on flattery or other false methods of winning people over. Some people can't tell (or if they can, they're just being polite) and some can. The only time this is a non-issue is in the workplace in which I have much more confidence. I HATE this one. Puke.

Venus/Ascendant - This one combines with the Mercury/Ascendant above to create a one-two agoraphobic (I'm not that bad) punch. In many ways, I have problems expressing love (Aries Moon) and often feel incapable of it. When someone crosses that line (SO rare) I don't know what to do. It's bad and junk.

Saturn/Midheaven - This one can create situations in which I feel the need to remain in overly demanding/controlling positions (I'm the one being controlled or in high demand) in the workplace due to Capricorn's "better the devil you know than the one you don't" attitude. Plenty of Uranus and Jupiter aspects partnered with an Aries Moon have kept me on the search, though. I've found a realistic Employer and have learned to admit my limits. The job I left in January had become like this and I was basically getting butt-raped. I stayed longer than everyone else but even I know when enough is enough (thank God).

Chiron/Midheaven - I have no clue. I'm buying some Chiron books (Thanks Lonake!) because this is getting stupid. What does Chiron mean? Well, there's been talk. It's time to define this asteroid and that's what I plan to do.

As you can see in this ridiculously long and, most likely, over-dramatic post: A) If you need squares, I'm your man. B) Squares often get a bad rap because they're difficult. As with anything, it's all in your attitude, outlook, and ambition. Sometimes, the best people have the worst charts. As we were discussing in a previous post, everything can't be handed to you on a silver platter and when you have to work for something you typically have a deeper appreciation for it. I can safely say mine are hard to deal with at times but I thank God for every day I'm here and I'm proud of the resilience and strength I gain from them.

That is all.

posted April 14, 2011 06:42 PM            

I have seven squares between personal planets thus T-Squares...