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Topic: Pluto babies
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melula
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posted April 14, 2011 04:22 AM
  
I read an interesting article on this forum some time ago, about Pluto-moon-sters and their monster mothers.Well since then I've been looking at my little boys chart, and he has pluto-moon conjuction on the cusp of sag and cap (moon in capricorn, pluto in sag). Combined with that he has saturn conj venus and asc in virgo. Birth time 8:25am, 27 July 2007 (Casale Monf. Italy) My research shows that both these factors indicate difficult relationships with women, and mother in particular. I was wondering if I can use my knowledge of astrology, and awareness of these placings, to some how turn things round and make them positive? Then I realised our new born (girl this time) has sun conj pluto in capricorn. (9:40pm 28 Dec 2010, Lu Monf Italy) So my children both have a heavy dose of pluto. Is there a positive reading for these placings? I would post up our charts but am not sure how? Thanks Melula IP: Logged |
Lonake
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posted April 14, 2011 04:29 AM
Yes. They're both powerful conjunctions.
Pluto doesn't have to be negative.
It can mean a deep and strong bond.
Either way, the Moon/Pluto is the perception of the mother, and the Sun/Pluto is the perception of the father, regardless of reality.IP: Logged |
dysfunctionalmystic
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posted April 14, 2011 05:46 AM
I've noticed the outer planet aspects tend to be handed down through generations...you need to look at parents/grandparents charts too and it might help you to get a bigger perspective on it.There is always something positive to get from any placing but I'd say that you could maybe stick to getting the best out of your own chart and that way you can be the best you can be as a mum and a person. As a mother myself I know it's easy to get stressed/worried (that's an understatement lol) about the things we see in the kids charts and the bottom line is we cannot "make" them see us in a better (or worse) light. I have an 18yr old daughter with moon/plu opposition, my youngest has moon/ura opp and one of my son's has moon/ura conj and that's just for starters. I can tell you that my eldest two daughters...18 and nearly 21, both have difficult moons/venus but we get on okay and have good communication. I see them as adults now and we do talk about "our relationship" and it's really not all that bad....in fact it's a lot better than I ever expected it to be because we're all quite close and generally supportive of one another. IP: Logged |
Lonake
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posted April 14, 2011 05:57 AM
d_mystic, Have you noticed strong involvement in the life of the child and also closeness with the grandmother, re: Moon/Pluto child? Or some other elderly female figure.IP: Logged |
dysfunctionalmystic
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posted April 14, 2011 10:27 AM
No, I moved away from my home town when the eldest was only 2 and a half so they've never had too much contact with extended family. I understand why you ask because I've read that moon/Pluto can be connected to the grandmother.but then she has the opposition...maybe that shows the separation? I am strong, dominant, whatever you want to call it so I can also see how it relates to me. IP: Logged |
blugrey
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Registered: Nov 2010
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posted April 14, 2011 12:08 PM
My daughter has moon conjunct ASC. Pluto in the 1st house.  IP: Logged |
Quinnie
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posted April 14, 2011 02:32 PM
"I've noticed the outer planet aspects tend to be handed down through generations...you need to look at parents/grandparents charts too and it might help you to get a bigger perspective on it."  IP: Logged |
amowls**
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posted April 14, 2011 03:30 PM
My friend has Moon in Scorpio conjunct Pluto and she has a great relationship with her mother, so it's not impossible, just be more watchful about how you handle a Moon/Pluto child.You can look at your synastry and composite for more clues. IP: Logged |
AcousticGod
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From: Pleasanton, CA
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted April 14, 2011 03:48 PM
I have Moon conjunct Pluto also on a cusp. Moon in Virgo, Pluto in Libra. My mother wasn't bad. I would say she was pretty good overall.IP: Logged |
mochai
Knowflake Posts: 674
From: Charon
Registered: Sep 2010
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posted April 14, 2011 04:40 PM
There's a huge difference between moon-pluto afflictions and the conjunction. I wouldn't see the conjunction being as bad, but the afflictions are usually fairly traumatic.I used to go to like this article about extreme neglect and abuse with this aspect, but I could only find this article.
http://chirotic.wordpress.com/2009/02/20/moon-pluto-the-gathering-storm/ I have the opposition at 3 degrees, and I have a huge problem with women. It's still really uncomfortable, and I'm extremely afraid of abandonment or having any needs or dependency in a relationship, although I can communicate some. I moved I don't know how many times as a kid (9 schools by 10th grade and many times before school.. developing chronic suicidal ideation just before 10th grade which I still have). I've had a loaded relationship with my sister too so I'm putting that down with the synastries for people who want to look at them. I wouldn't mind if someone felt like commenting. It would probably help. My chart..
http://i1212.photobucket.com/albums/cc457/xatnes/solrclnat.gif My mom's chart
http://i1212.photobucket.com/albums/cc457/xatnes/momclr.gif Mom and my synastry
http://i1212.photobucket.com/albums/cc457/xatnes/mommeclr.gif My sister's chart
http://i1212.photobucket.com/albums/cc457/xatnes/sisclr.gif My sister and I's chart
http://i1212.photobucket.com/albums/cc457/xatnes/mesisclr.gif A lot of people think i'm weak or something because I can't take any form of criticism or signs of abandonment in the slightest. I start panicking and most of my relationships are under some sort of microscope due to my own fears. Most of the time I'm dissociated from how I feel to a degree. IP: Logged |
dysfunctionalmystic
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posted April 14, 2011 04:59 PM
You have sun con uranus too...that could explain some of the abandonment stuff...I wouldn't just blame it on the moon, but because the sun/uranus is so tight it may be harder to see but the opposition will play itself out more noticeably. IP: Logged |
mochai
Knowflake Posts: 674
From: Charon
Registered: Sep 2010
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posted April 14, 2011 05:09 PM
Both the women in my life have mars sq uranus by one and four degrees and saturn is in the 4rth as well as pluto unless you're an equal house fan. It works for the 3rd too(my brother choking my sis until she turned blue.. things like that).I actually kind of like my moon. It's pluto that I don't like! IP: Logged |
ariscopisgrl87
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posted April 14, 2011 10:57 PM
Alright time for me to throw my two cents in lolI have a Scorpio Moon-Pluto (8th House) conjunction. I do have troubling issues with my mother who is a Capricorn w/ an Aquarius moon. Because of that she is the complete opposite of myself. One thing I do find myself not being able to stand is that I respect boundaries and trust is important. My mother doesn't that much and it just gets under my skin everyday. I always think before I act, even with an Aries sun. I think for most that have a conjunct like myself or of another sign, the best thing to do is to be aware of your child's limits in what they can stand. I'm way more easy going with my father (a Scorpio w/ a Cancer Moon). IP: Logged |
melula
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Registered: Apr 2011
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posted April 15, 2011 05:29 AM
wow lots of input, thanks allI like the idea about making the most of my own chart, and glad to hear some pluto mooners who have good relationship with their ma. Lotsa food 4 thought! IP: Logged |
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