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Topic: Fifth house and children, my fifth house is empty :( What does that mean..
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rigormortisgirl
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posted April 18, 2011 10:57 PM
  
I know i'm too young for this but since i was a little girl i always wanted to be a mommy, i love , love, love kids so much with all my heart they make me smile and laugh. I love the little bundles of joys and they love me to (i have babysat before and the kids always loved me) I also love caring for things that can grow like gardens,hair, and babies to. I know i'm only 16 but like i've said many times before, I just got into astrology, well.. i read something about your fifth house representing your first child.. I have nothing in my fifth house..  does that mean i never will have any... Heres my natal chart.. is there anything else that indicates children in a/my chart.. thanks 
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Lioness
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posted April 18, 2011 11:56 PM
I have an empty 5th.. I have two kids..
My 5th doesnt describe my kids at all... Venus rules your 5th, You have Venus sq Uranus maybe you will have an unexpected pregnancy. Your Venus is in H9th.. Maybe a foreigner or someone you work with since its close to your MC. Im rambling I have no clue... LOL IP: Logged |
Lonake
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posted April 19, 2011 12:04 AM
If a house is empty look at the sign on the cusp and find what its ruler is doing.
the sign on the cusp of your 5th is taurus which is ruled by venus which is in the 9th house of beliefs publishing travel higher education and philosophy and it's only major aspect is square Neptune in Capricorn in the 1st. So your first child if you have one, or your first adopted child, may likely be influenced by the signs of Taurus/Sagittarius or planets Venus/Jupiter. Typical placements that are 'said' to confer infertility are things like:
-Moon afflicted by Saturn
-saturn in the 5th
-h5 ruler afflicted by saturn
-chart emphasis in fire or air Personally I haven't studied charts of infertile people, but I can safely say that I am at least one exception to this mode of thinking. Don't trust anything anyone who purports to know astrology say anything about potential infertility unless they can back it up with hard evidence. I don't have any placements in the 12th but I am still introspective and prone to secrecy, nothing in the 11th but I have friends, nothing in the 10th but I have a career calling, nothing in the 9th but I have traveled internationally and attended university, nothing in the 1st but im still concerned with my image and nothing in the 2nd but i still have a source of income. So it's not that simple. Just look to the rulers for affairs related to an empty house, and even for occupied houses, they still need to be included. IP: Logged |
SunGlas$Hole
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posted April 19, 2011 12:06 AM
keep trying to have kids.IP: Logged |
blugrey
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posted April 19, 2011 12:07 AM
Uh yeah.... I don't either. I'm young and have a daughter now too who was unplanned.I love her to death, and that you want to be a mommy is great but just wait as long as you can. Even though I'm a fair bit older than you, I'm STILL discovering WHO I am, and going to college with a baby is very difficult especially when you get to the upper class level classes like me. So as much as you might risk it or think it's a beautiful wonderful thing (which it is) it also is a huge sacrifice, more than anything else you will ever sacrifice. It's not always fun, there is just as much if not more that is hard as there are those small precious moments that make it all worth it. I'm sure you will be a great mom, don't worry about it. Just enjoy your life for now and don't worry about marriage or babies or anything like that.  You will have lots of time much later for that, even though it doesn't seem like it now. If you really like babies, work at a daycare or babysit a lot. But yeah, astrology can't really tell you how many kids you are going to have. IP: Logged |
Lioness
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posted April 19, 2011 12:21 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Lonake:
If a house is empty look at the sign on the cusp and find what its ruler is doing.
the sign on the cusp of your 5th is taurus which is ruled by venus which is in the 9th house of beliefs publishing travel higher education and philosophy and it's only major aspect is trine Neptune in Capricorn in the 1st. So your first child if you have one, or your first adopted child, may likely be influenced by the signs of Taurus/Sagittarius or planets Venus/Jupiter. Typical placements that are 'said' to confer infertility are things like:
-Moon afflicted by Saturn
-saturn in the 5th
-h5 ruler afflicted by saturn
-chart emphasis in fire or air Personally I haven't studied charts of infertile people, but I can safely say that I am at least one exception to this mode of thinking. Don't trust anything anyone who purports to know astrology say anything about potential infertility unless they can back it up with hard evidence. I don't have any placements in the 12th but I am still introspective and prone to secrecy, nothing in the 11th but I have friends, nothing in the 10th but I have a career calling, nothing in the 9th but I have traveled internationally and attended university, nothing in the 1st but im still concerned with my image and nothing in the 2nd but i still have a source of income. So it's not that simple. Just look to the rulers for affairs related to an empty house, and even for occupied houses, they still need to be included.
Lonake.... doesnt she have Venus sq Uranus/Neptune...
Could that say she might have an unexpected child?
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Lonake
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posted April 19, 2011 12:34 AM
Yea it's square, I edited the post. Neptune rules her 3rd house of mind and its square Venus ruling 5th house of children, so she may be idealizing matters a bit on that front, and Uranus rules the 2nd house of self worth, which may point to the strong desire for children as a reflection of a need to nurture the self first. You're right tho the h5 ruler afflicted by Uranus is a marker for unexpected pregnancies. Uranus/Neptune are in a stable sign, so I would think as a mother she would be more consistent/traditional than the typical Uranus/h5 connections interp.IP: Logged |
Lioness
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posted April 19, 2011 12:40 AM
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Originally posted by Lonake:
Yea it's square, I edited the post. Neptune rules her 3rd house of mind and its square Venus ruling 5th house of children, so she may be idealizing matters a bit on that front, and Uranus rules the 2nd house of self worth, which may point to the strong desire for children as a reflection of a need to nurture the self first. You're right tho the h5 ruler afflicted by Uranus is a marker for unexpected pregnancies. Uranus/Neptune are in a stable sign, so I would think as a mother she would be more consistent/traditional than the typical Uranus/h5 connections interp.
IDK if Im reaching but Im trying to learn, could she possible have an expect child while say parting?? (neptune) IP: Logged |
Lioness
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posted April 19, 2011 12:42 AM
Also what do you look at for the 2nd child and so on? IP: Logged |
Lonake
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posted April 19, 2011 12:52 AM
Yea that could be a possible interp, an over idealized relationship that ends in pregnancy.We're so mean to Neptune on here lol :madface: 2nd child is ruled by 9th which is 5th from the 5th = 5 6 7 8 9
3rd child 5th from the 9th = 9 10 11 12 1
So it repeats, 5, 9, 1, 5, 9, 1 taking into account placements, rulerships, etc.
You'd prob have to study kids in large families to see if it plays out that way, I haven't done that. I do know it's fairly common for chart energies to repeat themselves in families. IP: Logged |
Lioness
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posted April 19, 2011 12:59 AM
Both my kids are Tau Stelliums with Virgo moons...
Cancer/moon rules my 5th. Scoprio rules my 9th..
Im going to look deeper into this tomorrow.. YEAH something to study.. LOL Taurus rules my 3rd.. I have Saturn in H3.. but closer to the IC and its in Gem.. IP: Logged |
Lonake
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posted April 19, 2011 01:13 AM
I must be mistaken because Rex E. Bills now that I'm checking has 2nd child being ruled by the 7th, 3rd the 9th, 4th the 11th and so on. I would trust what he wrote over someone else, I practically worship that book.IP: Logged |
Lioness
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posted April 19, 2011 01:18 AM
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Originally posted by Lonake:
I must be mistaken because Rex E. Bills now that I'm checking has 2nd child being ruled by the 7th, 3rd the 9th, 4th the 11th and so on. I would trust what he wrote over someone else, I practically worship that book.
Hummm... Well my 7th ruled by Virgo my merc is in H6 conjunct moon.. They do both have alot of the same signs.. They have a double whammy of sun conjunt merc... They so love each other Ok Ill look more tomorrow... IP: Logged |
Lonake
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posted April 19, 2011 01:22 AM
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Originally posted by Lioness:
They have a double whammy of sun conjunt merc...
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Still_Hopeful
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posted April 19, 2011 04:13 PM
I have Saturn in 5th and moon in a 5th.
Saturn does not deny children per ser, but have impact WHEN you have a child (later in life)
I just had my baby girl.
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bonadea33
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posted April 20, 2011 05:58 AM
I think it is wrong to count children like that:
5th house - 1st child
7th house - 2nd child
9th house - 3rd child
and so on.All children belong to the 5th house. This is not Horary Astrology. How about women, they have over 20 children? How about somebody, whose 5th house is bad to get children and 7th is good? To spring over 5th (no child) to the 7th to have 2nd child! Very strange! B. ------------------
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bonadea33
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posted April 20, 2011 06:07 AM
About Saturn in the 5th: many women have children. It depends from the ruler of 5th in connection with Saturn in 5th. If there is good aspect, it will be child. If there is affliction between ruler of 5th and planet in 5th (Saturn or any other planet), in that case is difficult to get children. ------------------
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SunGlas$Hole
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posted April 20, 2011 08:31 AM
Im not allowed to have kids. Literally. Im male. If I had a child, it would probably take over the world by age 7. My kid would come out of the womb asking why the nurses aren't doing their job good enough. IP: Logged |
amowls**
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posted April 20, 2011 10:44 AM
Pretty relieved that having children will be difficult for me lol. I have 5th ruler in exact square to Saturn, and my chart is mostly Air/Fire.Suhweet. Pregnancy terrifies me. IP: Logged |
blugrey
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posted April 20, 2011 12:11 PM
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Originally posted by amowls**:
Pretty relieved that having children will be difficult for me lol. I have 5th ruler in exact square to Saturn, and my chart is mostly Air/Fire.Suhweet. Pregnancy terrifies me.
I never want to be pregnant again. It was terrible. You have no idea. It is such a relief to not be anymore.  I was so excited for labor just to get the thing over with. But now that it's a memory, it's not too bad. But still... I'm like 99.9999% this is my only child. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted April 20, 2011 12:13 PM
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Originally posted by amowls**:
Pretty relieved that having children will be difficult for me lol. I have 5th ruler in exact square to Saturn, and my chart is mostly Air/Fire.Suhweet. Pregnancy terrifies me.
I was scared to death,too,but what happens when you get pregnant is somehow it becomes OK
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Ami Anne
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posted April 20, 2011 12:14 PM
Where is your moon, Blugray?------------------
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blugrey
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posted April 20, 2011 12:33 PM
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Where is your moon, Blugray?
Saggie! I had a really hard pregnancy. Thankfully the easy as pie (minus one hour of killer pain before the epidural) 5 hour labor made up for it. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted April 20, 2011 12:40 PM
OK Saggie moon--- I could see how that moon might not fit with being pregnant. I am a Cancer moon.I loved being pregnant.
I was scared to death beforehand,though ,as I told Amwols lol ------------------
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blugrey
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posted April 20, 2011 12:50 PM
Yeah... I am very picky about things. I didn't particularly care for the feet under my ribs making it impossible for me to breathe, not having air conditioning in the last two months of pregnancy, having sciatica the first trimester as well as throwing up everything I ate AT NIGHT. Then having kidney stones the second trimester. Basically I was stuck in bed miserable the whole time. Plus we moved to a place where I knew no one at all like... at 7 months pregnant. I couldn't even hang out with friends. It was just horrendous. She's so much cuter now!!!!!!!! IP: Logged |
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