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GemGemGem
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posted May 04, 2011 10:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for GemGemGem     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
And what do you think about the whole relocating to change your chart?

Believe it?..or not?


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posted May 04, 2011 10:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aya_and_baby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've mixed feelings about them. I do believe they can show a common trend for the year ahead but so far, not one solar return chart has been correctly interpreted for me.

The last few times were done by the same reader, so that probably says more about her credibility than it does about the validity of solar returns. Hence why I have mixed feelings with solar returns.


I've never really seen a relocation chart in action or activated first hand, since the furthest I ever moved was close enough to make only a slight difference in my chart. Well... A difference of about 30 degrees in the rising. Since quite a few inhabited houses are bigger than 30 degrees you can imagine that if a planet moved house, it was only one house.


So in a nutshell, I like to believe in solar return and relocation charts, but I have my doubts about the first one in particular and like to give the second one the benefit of the doubt.

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posted May 04, 2011 01:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Coffee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Solar return charts, yes. Though you need to look at the house Leo rules in your natal to see what is likely to happen for that return period. It can be hard to find something, though it does narrow down if you look in the return chart for the house Leo is on.

An example is my chart with Leo on the 7th cusp. This can tell me all the details about partnership issues until the next return of Sun. Very useful, especially on here!

You cannot change your chart once you are born with it, no matter where you move. I do not find it possible to look at a relocation chart and find more details from that, despite limited research. To compare a place for what is best for you, I would recommend looking at the natal chart of that place in relation to your natal chart. This requires an accurate birth chart of the place in question.

You cannot change your chart once you are born with it.

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posted May 04, 2011 08:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GemGemGem     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I was hoping someone would say solar returns don't mean anything, cause mine for this coming May 27th has a complete stellium of almost every planet in the 8th house!I really dislike the 8th, it scares me. My Saturn will also be on top of my ascendant. Looks like a horrific year for me!

Coffee, so if I have Leo ascendent in my natal I should look to the house in my solar return chart that Leo rules?

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posted May 04, 2011 08:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for maira     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I did the relocation once, all my planets were in the 12th and I was freaking out. It worked! They say you can feel the energy a couple of weeks before the SR, and I was weeping as I was leaving. When I got to Lisbon, it seemed like I was in a different universe, where people were kind and everything was beautiful. That year was uneventful for me, but at least there was no isolation.

I am not a big fan of tampering with energy and "destiny", because I believe that for every action there is also a reaction (karma) and that there's a reason for everything we go through. But I felt that if the higher power gave me access to that information, I might as well consider it an opportunity, and that the Universe gave me the chance not to choose that particular experience.

Maybe a higher evolved being would have traveled without having to look to a SR, just on gut feeling. I'm not that evolved

Here's a good link http://www.bobmarksastrologer.com/19.1Birthdays.htm

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posted May 05, 2011 08:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for GemGemGem     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks Maira, that gives me some hope.
I was thinking about relocating so my sun is in the 9th
at least.

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posted May 05, 2011 10:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Coffee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by GemGemGem:
I was hoping someone would say solar returns don't mean anything, cause mine for this coming May 27th has a complete stellium of almost every planet in the 8th house!I really dislike the 8th, it scares me. My Saturn will also be on top of my ascendant. Looks like a horrific year for me!

Coffee, so if I have Leo ascendent in my natal I should look to the house in my solar return chart that Leo rules?


Yes, the house in your solar return.

As you have Leo on the 1st cusp in your natal, every solar return will show 1st house issues, such as appearance and personality.

The house in your solar return will show where these personality changes will take place. If Leo is on your 11th house in the solar return (WHOLE SIGN House System) you would have your personality changes in the area of friends and parties.

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posted May 05, 2011 08:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for electricmind     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
solar returns work great. i use them often. the method i've found works best is similar to what coffee suggested. i come the house that each planet rules in the natal to the house it occupies in the solar return chart.

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posted May 05, 2011 08:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for staborgi     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've found them to be quite accurate. Dawn Bodgrodi gave me a helpful tip in considering them when trying to predict w them though- if it's not in (by order or importance) your natal, progressions, or transits- it's not gonna happen! This kind of set me straight in terms of having wild expectations from solar return placements.

I think moving works. But again, I've found it's important to not have wild expectations. My aunt is always moving around on her birthday...she is pretty ill so she usually does it hoping to avoid heavy placements that she thinks would affect her health. So far so good! I'm thinking of doing it myself this year- Pluto on the ASC and Venus/Merc in the 12th...YUCK

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posted May 06, 2011 09:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for GemGemGem     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for clarifying Coffee.
I was planning to go on a trip towards the west coast for my birthday to get some planets out of the 8th, but realized if I go west, according to your method, this would make the solar return house that Leo rules in my 12th! So my issues for the year will be 12th house issues! So like Staborgi, i say Yuck!

Back to square one. Time to go back on Astro.com and find another location.


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posted May 06, 2011 09:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for RMChex     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
How do you work out a Solar Return? I have just done some reading so I understand what it it is - but how do you know what time to put in?

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posted May 06, 2011 10:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Coffee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by RMChex:
How do you work out a Solar Return? I have just done some reading so I understand what it it is - but how do you know what time to put in?


You look at where you are on earth (space is also possible for the astronauts out there) at the exact time the transit sun returns to it's original position in your birth chart, by degree and minute.

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posted May 06, 2011 10:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for RMChex     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So, for me, I would look at 1:50pm on 7 November 2010 (birth day/time) - but instead of putting Isleworth, where I was born, I would Bristol, where I live now?

Cool. Thanks so much Coffee.

P.S. LOL at your astronaut inclusion.

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posted May 06, 2011 02:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bonadea33     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
RMChex,

Solar Return can't be done without birth data's. You can go to
http://www.astro.com/prod/pr_free_e.htm

then go to “My Astro”, put there your data's, after that go to: modify reference place (write the place, where you are now) and choose Solar Return. You will see how your Solar Return looks like. After that, post it here.

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posted May 06, 2011 02:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for RMChex     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by bonadea33:
RMChex,

Solar Return can't be done without birth data's. You can go to
http://www.astro.com/prod/pr_free_e.htm

then go to “My Astro”, put there your data's, after that go to: modify reference place (write the place, where you are now) and choose Solar Return. You will see how your Solar Return looks like. After that, post it here.

Bobbie



Hi Bobbie,

Thanks for that, much appreciated. I've done it, and I selected the time that my Mum died because I wanted to see what the chart was like. Does that work ok? She died 25th March 1995 :-(

It's certainly way different to my natal chart!

Thanks,
Rachel

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posted May 06, 2011 02:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bonadea33     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I believe very much in Solar Return. As my Sun is in 7th house in my Natal Chart, the best years are, when my Sun in Solar Return is again in 7th house.

Important is: ASC (in what Natal house falls), MC (the same); their planet rulers, in what house are they.

Angle houses are most important and planets there: 1st, 4th, 7th and 10th. I have seen a little difference connecting with those four houses: planets in the 1st and 7th house are inside the house. About 4th and 10th house, there are planets in 3rd and 9th, but in exact conjunction with IC and MC.

Repeating aspects from Natal Chart are very important.
SR house with more planets is also important.

There is more, but everybody should study his important SR year and see, what happened then.

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posted May 06, 2011 03:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bonadea33     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Rachel,

Here is difficult to find out, why your mother died then.

My case was different: my mother is my 10th house and the ruler is Moon in Pisces. When she died, my SR Moon was in 12th, Pisces house, with one hard aspect. There was also SR Saturn (ruler of my Natal 4th) in my SR 8th house.

Here can be double explanation: your SR ASC was very close to your Natal 8th house.
Second: your Natal and SR Moon were in conjunction. The Moon is our mother and the Sun is our father. That is right for me.

Maybe somebody else can write more.

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posted May 06, 2011 04:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for RMChex     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for trying though, Bobbie... I'm mostly clutching at straws because it somehow makes me feel closer to mum again briefly. My moon is in Capricorn, which is her sun sign - probably means nothing but always comforts me somehow!

Thanks again,
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posted May 08, 2011 04:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bonadea33     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here is my Solar Return for 2011:

It looks like Natal Chart from Vincent van Gogh, with difference: he had nothing in his 4th house.

I hate Saturn in 4th, 6th, 8th and 12th house. My Saturn rules Natal 4th and is SR 4th. That is not very good.

According to Coffee, Leo is on the cusp of 2nd, ruler Sun in 10th: is there some money on the way?

Two years ago I had 9 planets bellow horizon, only Saturn in 9th (with hard aspects) and I really felt totally down. On the end wasn’t so bad.
These times are so many planets in 10th.

My SR ASC falls in 10th Natal and ruler, the Moon in 8th (from Natal 5th). What he is doing in 8th house, I wonder.
My SR MC falls in Natal 6th, the ruler Mars is in 10th. My Natal Mars is also in 10th house.

After about one year I will say, what happened?

Bobbie

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posted May 08, 2011 04:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bonadea33     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

RMChex,

In the Solar Return must be also fixed stars and Arabian parts. I don't have Astrology program, so I can't write it here.
Fixed stars and Arabian parts are important as in Natal Chart.

About my mother, I was thinking: my Moon is in Pisces. Pisces rules the feet’s. My mother died from gangrene. She suffered a lot after amputation of her leg until knee. She died more from sadness, as she always was talking: I don't want to die without my leg!
Who cares about our wishes, even the last days? Nobody.

WL, Bobbie

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posted May 08, 2011 01:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for love being Aries     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i just did my SR for 2010/2011 and this is so fascinating.
there are fairly wider 6th and 12th houses

I have moon in my 7th ooposite my jupiter in first.

saturn is just 1 degree below my 7th [means just about to enter 7th house]
and pluto is just 1degree away from touching my MC

sun/jupiter/mercury are in 1st house [you figured i have aries on the AC] and venus/mars/neptune are in 12th house

neptune is ruler of my natal 7th
mars is my sun sign ruler
venus is ruler of my SR 7th

oh my God this is all just so confusing!!!

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posted May 08, 2011 04:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for popcorn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Interesting chart bondea. With all this in house 10. Your moon in house 8 an all other there looks like a very good economy year.

I've also 2011 a very special SR year with the SR sun and SR merk in house 10 and SR venus in SR house 9 on SR MC. Also SR mars on my my N venus and N N.N in SR house 9.

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posted May 08, 2011 04:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Coffee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by bonadea33:
Here is my Solar Return for 2011:

It looks like Natal Chart from Vincent van Gogh, with difference: he had nothing in his 4th house.

I hate Saturn in 4th, 6th, 8th and 12th house. My Saturn rules Natal 4th and is SR 4th. That is not very good.

According to Coffee, Leo is on the cusp of 2nd, ruler Sun in 10th: is there some money on the way?

Two years ago I had 9 planets bellow horizon, only Saturn in 9th (with hard aspects) and I really felt totally down. On the end wasn’t so bad.
These times are so many planets in 10th.

My SR ASC falls in 10th Natal and ruler, the Moon in 8th (from Natal 5th). What he is doing in 8th house, I wonder.
My SR MC falls in Natal 6th, the ruler Mars is in 10th. My Natal Mars is also in 10th house.

After about one year I will say, what happened?

Bobbie



What house (WHOLE SIGN) is Leo on the cusp of in your natal?

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posted May 09, 2011 05:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bonadea33     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Coffee,

Leo is on the cusp of my 11th house and the Sun is in 8th.

I don't like whole signs: Natal Chart looks so, as somebody could kill me (my kind of death).

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posted May 09, 2011 09:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Coffee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If Leo is on the cusp of your 11th, your solar return will be all about 11th house themes, such as friends and fame.

With your solar return chart having Leo on the cusp of house 2, this 11th house theme in your natal could manifest in the area of finances and self worth. Your friend could earn some money, give a possession to you. You can get fame/friend (Leo in cusp of natal 11th) by something you buy (Leo on cusp on 2nd in SR chart)

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