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Pixienoire
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posted May 06, 2011 03:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Pixienoire     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is the chart of my son. He was diagnosed with Bipolar Disorder at 10 years of age. Is it possible to see it in his natal chart, and how it may effect him throughout his life? I am a bit concerned about how his life may unfold as he gets older. he's had a rough time already, and has overdosed on drugs at the age of 12. Basically I would like to know what aspects I need to look at so that I can be in a better position to help him as he gets older.


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Doux Rêve
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posted May 06, 2011 04:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Doux Rêve     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am sorry for your son.

I read once that when both the ASC/DSC axis and the IC/MC axis are in cardinal signs, it leads to some psychological problems (especially antisocial behavior, I think).

Of course the T squares are hard.
Sun, Saturn and Mars especially, plus the Neptune and Uranus that oppose the Mercury.
The 6th/12th houses axis is concerned, the 6th refers to the health and the 12th to the subconscious (and drugs).
I would think that Saturn in the 12th, opposed Mars in the 6th, shows an ambivalence in energy levels directly affecting his (mental) health.


Sorry I am not very good at interpreting charts, but I wish you good luck with your son.

Watch out for drugs and/or violence.
(12th house and Mercury afflicted by Uranus and Neptune; Saturn in hard aspect with Mars and Sun)

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mochai
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posted May 06, 2011 04:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mochai     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't know what your spiritual beliefs are but there are hindu swamis etc who believe bipolar is an expression of blocked kundalini. I know my boyfriend who had bipolar disorder was at the least kundalini active. Stress and trauma can activate it and if your energy body and chakras are blocked up it'll go right into healing mode and there's a lot of negativity that will surface.

If you scroll down here, I've typed up a discussion among hindu swamis about bipolar and schizophrenia and kundalini. http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum3/HTML/002813.html

And there's this guy in brazil who had a kundalini/spiritual emergency and has healed other people from bipolar, he claims that it's much harder after they've been medicated, and I'm not endorsing taking an uncontrolled bipolar youth off medication, but it might be interesting from a psychospiritual perspective. He compares it with spiral dynamics in levels of consciousness and evolutionary healing. Might be worth a look. http://www.youtube.com/user/bipolarorwakingup#p/u/5/xjPpstk8o8w

If nothing else, he could probably use counseling from a good therapist. Exercise and the correct diet is great for bipolar disorder (omega fatty acids vitamin b etc). There are also some great biomedical balancing centers in the United States that can diagnose a myriad of illnesses that are frequently misdiagnosed as such. Celiac disease is quite frequently misdiagnosed as bipolar disorder, and there are instances where extreme food allergies have been diagnosed as a mental disorder to the point people spent most of their lives institutionalized, but when the food allergy was treated, they became a normal person holding down a steady full-time job. It would be great if you could even check for over/under methynation which can be treated with sam-e etc. There are many things which are misdiagnosed as bipolar disorder.

If nothing else, I'd suggest he study affective neuroscience or transpersonal psychology. From the looks of it your son is smart.
You might even pick up on those fields yourself to help you know how to work with him. I personally find contemporary psychology somewhat antiquated in certain areas, but there are still goldmines in there. Perhaps your journey can transform his?

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Doux Rêve
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posted May 06, 2011 05:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Doux Rêve     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
mochai, thank you for that great response.

I think my psychiatrist considers I have BD too, and I am currently on (hard) medication.
I should probably consider some other alternative...
But it's difficult to deal with that stuff on one's own, I feel like I *need* medicine to feel "better", which is not always the case, unfortunately.

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Coffee
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posted May 06, 2011 05:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Coffee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Bipolar is a mood disorder, which may be seen astrologically by looking at aspects to the Moon from the 12th ruler. In this example, the trine.

The 12th house ruler is about drugs, and some say long term illnesses, such as this. With transit 12th ruler, Neptune, opposing 1st ruler Mars, the 12th house issues are at it's worse. The worse times is when transit Mars is opposite natal Neptune. This happens for a long time. During this time, drug use is likely to increase. You may also want to look when transit Neptune is exact in opposition, as to markers of excessive drug use, and times when new drugs are taken.

I have no idea of when this illness may be healed, but wish you the best, hoping that you keep a close eye on the times stated. He will need all the help he can get. I hope this is not too bad.

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Quinnie
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posted May 06, 2011 05:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Quinnie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"If nothing else, I'd suggest he study affective neuroscience or transpersonal psychology. From the looks of it your son is smart.
You might even pick up on those fields yourself to help you know how to work with him. I personally find contemporary psychology somewhat antiquated in certain areas, but there are still goldmines in there. Perhaps your journey can transform his?"

Saturn in the 12th house is indicative of the need to practice a spiritual discipline or at least meditation.
I have this placement too. Saturn is reformulating or rebuilding the subconscious boundaries of the psyche...

I had never thought of this placement as having anything to do with kundalini, but it would make sense that as Saturn can restrict and delay...then it can also block kundalini energy...spiritual essence that becomes immediate vital energy in the first house.

Your son will benefit from relaxation and meditation...

This blockage is triggered by the vital expressive energy of the sun....which is like a stop, start button for him and is realised on a daily basis by his Moon in Libra which DEMANDS feng shui!

You as his mother are an extremely active force in his life and you might find that sometimes you will need to step back to allow him to develop independently.
He has Chiron in Libra conjunct his descendant so he will learn from his relationships and you will have to allow him to make decisions for himself...good or bad, because suffering is healing.

He has so much to learn for himself...as Mochai said...a journey of trasnformation that you simply have to trust his destructive need to build and destruct...(Pluto in 8th and saturn in 12th)...Teach him astrology, introduce him to the idea of chakras during meditation without necessarily Kundalini meditation, he can visualise his chakras all moving free of blockage.

With an emphasis on the 6th house he needs to do things that are effective, be good at a skill or a hobby. He first needs to master his emotions and instinct for inner transformation by meditation and building inner strength.

His Sun in the fourth house means he will need to retreat and withdraw almost daily.
Get him to record his moods and thoughts and compare them monthly if you can to see if there is a monthly cycle of emotional calm to emotional upheaval. If he can track it he can manage it....and he will learn how to focus.
Let him know that it is more than ok to take time out when he needs it. Let him know that he is excellent at hearing his body...to trust it and to listen...Tiredness, hunger, calm, anger...can all be tracked and anchored so that he is quite sure what those feeling are and what triggers them.

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mochai
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posted May 06, 2011 06:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mochai     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Doux, I'm sorry to hear that. I really am. The person who has had success treating that says that having had the medication makes one more violent during the manic states for whatever reason. I would definetely look through those videos. I know the medication symptoms can be worse than the disorder and that is saying something with a 20% mortality rate and 90% divorce rate.

Quinnie, good advice. The only thing is, kundalini can be very delicate. If his bipolar is kundalini fueled, meditation fuels kundalini as does concentration and stress. It can be like pouring gasoline on a fire when it's uncontrolled. When kundalini is controlled, some meditation is excellent as is prayer etc. He definitely needs a spiritual outlet, unless he's in a manic state or uncontrolled state, than he just needs to focus on healing..

A super low stress environement so that he can manage and heal whatever comes up. I'd take up a creative pursuit to work through it and channel the issues that surface into that as a healing modality (this is how gopi krishna's kundalini really took off). Art would be fantastic as would poetry etc. I'd also encourage grounding visualizations every day to the 7th chakra, and some form of working out on top of an early emphasis on healing and strengthening his root chakra so that kundalini runs more effectively. When the root chakra is more blocked kundalini starts to run downwards and that is very very negative for reasons I have yet to understand.. Seeing as meditating on the chakras has been known to activate kundalini, I would not entirely advise that as a practice, but would focus more on whatever came up for cleaning.

I wholeheartedly recommend the safeties listed here, and the tibetans (yoga) are recommended alongside this for purification and making kundalini easier to manage. The finger lock he teaches strengthens the root chakra. If you click downloads there are various pdfs of excellent free books on kundalini phenomena as well as transpersonal pyschology.
http://www.kundaliniawakeningsystems1.com/the-safeties.html
http://www.kundaliniawakeningsystems1.com/downloads.html

I'm not going to pretend like I have all the answers for bipolar and kundalini because really I don't and I don't think anyone really does. I'm trying to learn them myself as at least two of my soulmates have bipolar.

I hear frequently people with bipolar disorder have issues with conforming, usually some authoritatian strict parent or influence. With my kundalini (non-bipolar) I try to be with whatever I'm feeling as much as possible in order to transmute it. And that can be so hard..

Regardless of healing, many bipolars have to live off disability and lose their ability to work. It's worse when someone chooses a higher stress occupation. Another thing, love is very important. My bipolar ex-boyfriend was basically out of control until he started focusing on unconditional love and compassion for others because he was tired of the life he was leading. I wish I could say the same for my other bipolar soulmate. The energy coming from his place is sadly reminiscent of toxic sludge. That's the only way I can describe it, and I can't reach out to him to help him, though I'd love to.

On an astrological note, he has chiron, lucifer, and dejanira conj his dsc. Lots of pain.. square kaali. I'd do what I could to stay close to him emotionally.. to try to help him heal and not run from you as he might.

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Quinnie
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posted May 06, 2011 06:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Quinnie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Doux Rêve

Mochai...
You are so insightful!

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littlecloud
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posted May 07, 2011 06:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for littlecloud     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I would like to add and support the idea of starting a better diet for your son. The first thing to tackle would be fluoridated water. Berkey water filters filter out fluoride so this is a must-have. They last for a long time too and can filter thousands of gallons. (If I remember correctly) naturalnews.com has tons of information on healthy diet and how to cleanse the system, and alternatives to everyday products such as toothpaste.
http://www.organicconsumers.org/
This is a great website for finding naturopaths (sp?) and homeopaths near you that can help guide your son in a better diet.

Also st.Johns wort is a natural anti-depressant that he can try out as an alternative to medication. No more than 3 capsules a day and since it's natural no harmful side-effects

I hope this information has helped.

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Doux Rêve
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posted May 07, 2011 07:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Doux Rêve     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you a lot guys, you are very informative.

And yes the ruler of my 12th, Mars, squares my Moon from the 6th house, close to the DSC. I've never thought this could indicate mental illness but apparently it does.


~ Peace

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mochai
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posted May 07, 2011 11:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mochai     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If you're looking at diet for bipolar there are books I'd recommend.. http://www.amazon.com/Natural-Medicine-Bipolar-Disorder- Healthy/dp/1571742913/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1304781547&sr=8-1 http://www.amazon.com/Healing-Depression-Bipolar-Disorder-Without/dp/B001FA 23L8/ref=pd_bxgy_b_img_b

My bipolar ex never has sugar or caffeine and drinks a ton of water. Very caring guy. He tries very hard.

Doux my kundalini got much easier when I was praying to angels for help every day with gratitude of course.
If you need someone to talk to that understands bipolar disorder, I'm willing to listen.

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Doux Rêve
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posted May 07, 2011 12:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Doux Rêve     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
mochai, thank you very much, that's very kind of you.
I appreciate your help.

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ariscopisgrl87
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posted May 07, 2011 12:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ariscopisgrl87     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is an interesting topic... and it occured to me a few weeks ago that after seeing people with either an Aquarius or Leo moon in very hard aspects to their Sun, it shown that the person was prone to having conflict on how to hand their emotions or have very all over the place emotions.

One friend has a Taurus/Aquarius Moon and my mother has a Capricorn/Aquarius Moon...

And then seeing people with very badly aspected Moon/Rising Leo in someone's chart always pointed to some kind of Dramatic mania or some kind.

Then I was thinking about Catherine Zeta-Jones, who was admitted for Type II Bio-Polar a few weeks ago. She is a Libra/Pisces Moon and a Sagittarius Ascendent. Her sun is in the 9th House, ruler of Sagittarius and her Rising is in the Ruler of the Sun, a reversal placement.

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posted May 08, 2011 04:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Quinnie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A friend of mine brought this to my attention....
"I couldn't notice that he was born on the 11th day of the month which is a very difficult day to be born on with it being a very challenging karma according to the Chaldean Numerology as well as a number of ultrasensitivity,high degree of mental activity,and nervous tension according to Pythagorean Numerology. I also think that it's possible that he may had been misdiagnosed with that close Neptune square Ascendant/Descendant. In Medical Astrology, hard Neptune aspects can indicate potential for misdiagnosis. It also can indicate hypersensitivity to medications due to ultrasensitivity.

Her son doesn't just have Saturn in 19'58 Aries square Sun in 18'59 Cancer. He has transneptunian dwarf planet Eris in 19'13 Cancer square his Sun too. The orb is only 14 minutes. We're talking about a transneptunian dwarf planet that is about the same size of Pluto. An object like that cannot be overlooked in Astrology, especially when it makes conjunction,opposition,square,trine to Sun,Moon,Ascendant,Midheaven within 1 degree. I consider those main theme aspects I get frustrated that astrologers overlook these 21st Century objects can be just as important, especially Eris whose discovery led to the changing of the planetary status quo in Astrology. Any ways....Sun square Eris would indicate ego,self expression,vitality conflict with diversity,equality,discord,and controversy as well as evolutionary intensification. He can easily have problems with the status quo and being excluded in some way. It could be connected to father figure in some way.

BTW...any transneptunian dwarf planet/candidate (yes...this goes for Pluto too) would be highly metaphysically oriented than even the outer planets because it orbits beyond Neptune. Therefore, his Eris in 12th is a highly metaphysically oriented placement. His Eris conjunct Saturn in 12th of course. That Saturn is not alone in the 12th. It gives more insight to his 12th house. With Sun so closely square Eris in 12th, the Eris in 12th is even more significant. It seems that he could have problems with going with the status quo with his Sun square Saturn-Eris in 12th, and he could be forced to suppress his divergent tendencies.

His Moon is conjunct transneptunian dwarf planet Haumea in 2'46 Libra with 1'45 orb. This indicates that his emotional nature,feelings,instincts merge with creativity,fertility, female reproductive cycles as well as evolutionary intensification. The matters could be connected to the mother. Haumea is named after the Hawaiian Fertility Creation Goddess.

He also has another strong Haumea connection. He has Sun parallel Haumea with 10 minutes orb. Therefore ego,self expression,vitality merge with creativity,fertility,female reproductive cycles as well as evolutionary intensification. The matters could be connected to the father. Because the Sun parallel Haumea is within 10 minute orb, it's a main theme aspect.

His Moon is parallel Orcus with 13 minute orb. This indicates that his emotional nature,feelings,instincts merge with oaths,promises as well as evolutionary intensification. Orcus is a plutino,and so it's very similar to Pluto. Orcus is named after the Etruscan God Lord of the Underworld.

His Makemake in 11'37 Virgo is trine/sextile Midheaven/Imum Coeli with 1'08 orb. This indicates that fertility,creativity,male reproductive cycles as well as evolutionary intensification in harmony/support his aim in life/domestic environment. He possibly choose a metaphysically oriented type of career.

His Moon sextile Ixion in 0'14 Sagittarius with 45 minute orb. This indicates that his emotional nature,feelings,instincts support matters involving karma,2nd chances as well as evolutionary intensification. Ixion is a plutino,and so its very similar to Pluto. Ixion was named after the Lapith King who was punished for lust for Hera. He was placed on a wheel in Tartarus. Through his union with the fake Hera, Nephele, he became the father of Centaurus who mated with wild mare that led to the race of centaurs being created.

His Varuna contraparallel/parallel his Midheaven/Imum Coeli with 1 minute orb. This indicates that cosmic order,justice,and judgment at odds with/merge with his aim in life/domestic environment. Because the contraparallel/parallel is within 10 minute orb, it's a main theme aspect. Varuna was named after the Indian God of the Waters. He was the supreme deity until replaced by Vishnu.

His Haumea square Midheaven/Imum Coeli with 48 minute orb. This indicates that creativity,fertility,female reproductive cycles as well as evolutionary intensification is in friction with aim in life/domestic environment. Because the aspect is within 1 degree, it's a main theme aspect.


altogether,

He has 4 main theme transneptunian dwarf planet candidate aspects which indicate an ultra evolutionary intensified type.

Sun square Eris - '14
Sun parallel Haumea - '10
Varuna contraparallel/parallel Midheaven/Imum Coeli - '01
Hauea square Midheaven/Imum Coeli - '48


With the strong transneptunian dwarf planet/candidate influence
Maybe he's not bipolar.
Maybe he's just an ultrasensitive type like a neurodivergent, fits with the Indigo,lightworker,Earth Angel,anomalous sensitive or other labels that fit with ultrasensitive,nonconformist,divergent types that don't fit with the status

ADHD and other neurodivergent conditions have overlap with Bipolar, and so they can be misdiagnosed as Bipolar.

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