posted May 10, 2011 01:55 PM            

You are looking at the birth of your mother and father in your natal chart.

Father:
Father is house 4. Birth of father is house 8.

Mother:
Mother is house 10. Birth of mother is house 2.

How to do it....

Use WHOLE SIGN house system, or even equal, if you wish.

Look at both house 4 and 8 rulers in your chart to find birth of father.

Look at both house rulers 10 and 2 in your chart to find birth of mother.

The date to use against your natal chart is the birthdates of your father and mother.

Take the slower moving transit planet first in relation to the faster moving natal planet, then look at the faster moving planet in relation to the slower moving natal planet.

Look at the combined orb, as stated before. The combined orb should as close to zero as possible, wherever possible (ie Pluto and Neptune as the house rulers would be hard to get a combined orb of zero degrees)

Also look at aspects to the natal house rulers from either or both planets in transit.

The third one to look out for after combined orb and exact aspects is the natal aspect between the two house rulers repeated in transit. eg Venus and Mercury conjunct in natal, Venus and Mercury conjunct anywhere in transit in your natal.

posted May 10, 2011 02:02 PM            

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My Mums birth in relation to my chart.

10th ruler is PLUTO. 2nd ruler is NEPTUNE.

Transit PLUTO is exact in trine to natal NEPTUNE.
Transit NEPTUNE is exact in conjunction to natal PLUTO.

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My Dads birth in relation to my chart.

4th ruler is VENUS. 8th ruler is MERCURY.

Transit VENUS is exact in opposition to natal MERCURY.
Transit MERCURY is exact in opposition to natal MERCURY.

posted May 10, 2011 02:03 PM            

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Originally posted by abcd efg:
Isn't 4th for mother? I always took 10th for father. Is it wrong?

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posted May 10, 2011 02:18 PM            

For my mother: House 10 is in Virgo, House 2 in Capricorn.

Mercury is in Sagittarius and Saturn in Scorpio. She does happen to be a Scorpio sun.

So... Natal vs Transits for her birth date: Natal Mercury vs "Transit" Saturn = sextile (or not) with orb of plus minus 11°. Natal Saturn vs "Transit" Mercury = conjunct with an orb of 6°.

Not sure what you mean by "combined orb", though...

For my father: House 4 is in Pisces, House 8 is in Cancer.

Neptune is in Sagittarius and Moon in Gemini. Shame, my dad even hardly has any mutable in his chart except for his Virgo rising and Sagittarius Mars.

Natal vs Transit: Natal moon vs "Transit" Neptune = inconjunct with an orb of -2°. Natal Neptune vs "Transit" Moon = sextile (or, again, not) with an orb of -14°. It's closer to being a semi-square, but I usually only really count major aspects.

What I do have in common with my father, my 8th house ruler, Moon, which signifies my dad's birth, has a lot of the exact same aspects to the exact same objects: opposite Uranus and conjunct Chiron.

Like both my parents, I also have Pluto square Mars, by the way, but neither planet is a ruling planet in this case.

So, I'm not entirely sure what you're getting at, none of my orbs are anywhere close to 0°

posted May 10, 2011 02:38 PM            

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Originally posted by littlecloud:
Coffee can you recommend a good book on house rulers? Learning about them and how to read them in a charts?

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Thankfully my mind has not been poisoned with the filth that is written these days. The only real book I've read in relation to this is 'the 12th houses'

posted May 10, 2011 02:42 PM            

See new thread for more information on combined orb. Take it in as this is REALLY how to do transits in astrology.

posted May 10, 2011 02:50 PM            

My mother's chart:

My father's chart:

posted May 10, 2011 02:53 PM            

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Originally posted by Aya_and_baby:
Alright... With Equal house (whole sign would put them in the same sign anyway, right?)

For my mother: House 10 is in Virgo, House 2 in Capricorn.

Mercury is in Sagittarius and Saturn in Scorpio. She does happen to be a Scorpio sun.

So... Natal vs Transits for her birth date: Natal Mercury vs "Transit" Saturn = sextile (or not) with orb of plus minus 11°. Natal Saturn vs "Transit" Mercury = conjunct with an orb of 6°.

Not sure what you mean by "combined orb", though...

For my father: House 4 is in Pisces, House 8 is in Cancer.

Neptune is in Sagittarius and Moon in Gemini. Shame, my dad even hardly has any mutable in his chart except for his Virgo rising and Sagittarius Mars.

Natal vs Transit: Natal moon vs "Transit" Neptune = inconjunct with an orb of -2°. Natal Neptune vs "Transit" Moon = sextile (or, again, not) with an orb of -14°. It's closer to being a semi-square, but I usually only really count major aspects.

What I do have in common with my father, my 8th house ruler, Moon, which signifies my dad's birth, has a lot of the exact same aspects to the exact same objects: opposite Uranus and conjunct Chiron.

Like both my parents, I also have Pluto square Mars, by the way, but neither planet is a ruling planet in this case.

So, I'm not entirely sure what you're getting at, none of my orbs are anywhere close to 0°

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Aya, for you mother.....

Slowest moving planet of SATURN and MERCURY is Saturn. Do that first.

When doing these, can you post the number of degrees applying or separating, rather than the aspect it makes. Instead of saying sextile with an orb of -1, just say 59 degrees applying instead. Ta.

posted May 10, 2011 03:09 PM            

For my father:

posted May 10, 2011 03:31 PM            

Just about keeping up with this, but what is my next step? Thanks..

Mum's chart:

Edited to remove my Dad's, lets see if I can get this right with my Mum first!

So, you say to "Look at both house rulers 10 and 2 in your chart to find birth of mother." - on my chart, above, ruler of house 10 is Pluto and house 2 is Neptune. (Presuming you mean the planet that rules the sign of that house, yes?).

Now what?

Thanks,
Rachel

posted May 10, 2011 03:33 PM            

Strictly speaking it doesn't have to be whole sign, right? Every following cusp is in the following sign anyway

(edit: in my case, at least, I have no intercepted signs )

I could change it and edit it in the last post I made, so to avoid filling up this thread too much, if needed?

posted May 10, 2011 03:43 PM            

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Originally posted by Aya_and_baby:
For my mother:

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Saturn is -70 to natal Mercury.
Mercury is +9 to natal Saturn.

Combined orb is -61 (as Mercury is separating 61 degrees from the perfect point of +70, cancelling out the aspect from transit Saturn to natal Mercury.)

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Originally posted by Aya_and_baby:
For my father:

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Neptune is -148 to natal Moon.
Sun is -2 to natal Neptune.

Only real aspect is a Quincunx from Neptune to Moon.

posted May 10, 2011 03:48 PM            

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Originally posted by Coffee:
RM, which is father and which is mother? Can you reedit your post to say which is which please?

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Just edited it to remove my father's chart, I'm going to try to do it with just my mother's. My data is:

Natal Pluto is at 10 Libra, Transit Neptune is at 6 Libra.

Natal Neptune is at 10 Sagittarius, Transit Pluto is at 9 Leo.

What is that telling me, I don't understand (sorry).

Thanks for this, its very educating. (Well it will be if I get it!)

Rachel

posted May 10, 2011 03:54 PM            

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Originally posted by RMChex:
Coffee,

Just about keeping up with this, but what is my next step? Thanks..

Edited to remove my Dad's, lets see if I can get this right with my Mum first!

So, you say to "Look at both house rulers 10 and 2 in your chart to find birth of mother." - on my chart, above, ruler of house 10 is Pluto and house 2 is Neptune. (Presuming you mean the planet that rules the sign of that house, yes?).

Now what?

Thanks,
Rachel

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YES, planet that rules each of the houses, as you have done.

Transit PLUTO is in exact trine with your natal NEPTUNE, while transit NEPTUNE is (+4) 4 degrees applying (moving towards) natal PLUTO.

Very similar to my Mums natal.

I'm asking you to do this to see if the birth of your parents comes up in your natal chart by transits made on the day they were born, to your chart.
I do this by looking at the hose rulers for Mum (10th) and Mum's birth (2nd) both in relation to each other.

Onto your Dad....

posted May 10, 2011 04:02 PM            

Ok, so my Dad's:

House 4's ruler is Venus, House 8's ruler is Mercury.

Natal Mercury is at 1 Scorpio, Transit Venus is at 17 Capricorn.

Natal Venus is at 27 Virgo, Transit Mercury is at 15 Sagittarius.

What can this tell me?

posted May 10, 2011 05:09 PM            

Finding all this really good as I’m trying to learn more about transits so thanks Coffee

Mother
Neptune rules House 10
Moon rules House 2

Transit Neptune 5 Libra trines natal Moon 24 Gemini. Orb 19?

Transit Moon 15 Virgo squares natal Neptune 5 Sagittarius. Orb 10

I need to read up on combined orbs further as not 100% at present. (Not sure how to state degrees applying etc will have to look at this also!)

I notice the following:

Transit Moon 15 Virgo squares my natal ascendant at Gemini 15.
Transit Neptune 5 Libra trines natal MC in Aquarius at 6 degrees (also sextile natal Neptune in same degree)
Transit Neptune 5 Libra is conjunct natal Pluto at 5 Libra.

Is this relevant at all?

posted May 10, 2011 05:19 PM            

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Originally posted by RMChex:
Thanks Coffee. Not sure what those particular aspects say though. Is it any aspect, or just particular ones?

Ok, so my Dad's:

House 4's ruler is Venus, House 8's ruler is Mercury.

Natal Mercury is at 1 Scorpio, Transit Venus is at 17 Capricorn.

Natal Venus is at 27 Virgo, Transit Mercury is at 15 Sagittarius.

What can this tell me?

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Not much if you go by combined orb, but Venus and Mercury are never more than a sextile apart in the sky, at any given time.

Only thing I can see, apart from them both being in sextile with their original planets is the transit Mercury and Venus in semi-sextile, repeating the same natal aspect of semi-sextile with Mercury and Venus.

Your Mums is significant due to closeness of the aspect involving Pluto to Neptune. An almost exact trine. the aspects are much strong when the aspects are exact. Each aspect is made every 30 degrees. Transit Pluto is 120 degree to natal Neptune.

posted May 10, 2011 05:19 PM            

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Originally posted by Coffee:
Aya, any question marks over your birth data at all? See if I can take a look at what other, if at all, possible options it may be.

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Not particularly over mine, but there have been a few over my parents' ... The time, anyway. And very minor ones.

posted May 10, 2011 05:24 PM            

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Originally posted by Coffee:
Not much if you go by combined orb, but Venus and Mercury are never more than a sextile apart in the sky, at any given time.

Only thing I can see, apart from them both being in sextile with their original planets is the transit Mercury and Venus in semi-sextile, repeating the same natal aspect of semi-sextile with Mercury and Venus.

Your Mums is significant due to closeness of the aspect involving Pluto to Neptune. An almost exact trine. the aspects are much strong when the aspects are exact. Each aspect is made every 30 degrees. Transit Pluto is 120 degree to natal Neptune.

The exact aspects (every 30 degrees) are the ones you look at, but what's more important is the combined orb (see separate thread)
of the two planets. You can't look at combined orb in your Mums example because Neptune and Pluto take a while to move round the zodiac.

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Thanks so much, Coffee. This really is interesting and is forcing me to do more maths and understand the transits, orbs, etc.