posted May 19, 2011 08:19 PM            

What does that mean? I wonder..

What is an unhappy placement? I can imagine an unhappy cat, an unhappy human - I could even imagine an unhappy bug... but an unhappy placement - that sounds like a whole 'nother basket of cookies.

And how would a placement know that it is unhappy? Is the placement conscious of its own existence and its feelings? Does the placement have feelings?

It's all very confusing for my little brain.

So then I think to myself... Well perhaps these astrologers are referring to the unhappiness of those who *have* this placement in their charts... so really - saying "an unhappy placement"... means "an unhappy person"... or a person who is "unhappy" in the area of life signified BY the placement.

That would make sense ^ except - If I interpret it this way... it ends up meaning NOTHING at all.. in practice.

Because in practice everyone is happy and unhappy by turns. Different things make different people happy and unhappy.

Lets say a detriment Mars is an unhappy placement... in the sense that the person who has it will be sexually unhappy.
BUT - everyone goes through phases when they are happy of unhappy in this area of life.
No one's life is perfect.

I've never heard of someone *accurately* complaining that they are the most unhappiest of the unhappy. This is not trueeee... this is just theatrics. Sorry - but it is.

I can't think of one person I have ever know with Mars in Libra or Taurus (going along with the detriment idea)... who is *always* sexually unhappy... or even *more* sexually unhappy - than other random people I know (with other Mars signs).

posted May 19, 2011 08:50 PM            

I don’t know why I cant process this.

I mean I have been through certain things in my childhood.. I have my own negative aspects and this could explain some of the things that happened in my life. But it does not make me more or less happy on a day to day basis.
I’m not sure how to explain that.
I’m no less happy, or “happier” than any other person I know – really. I don’t feel (on an intuitive level) a huge discrepancy between people in terms of happiness overall… Maybe it’s my Pisces Mercury – I don’t know.. but I see basically everyone as happy and unhappy by turns.

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this does not mean that the individual experiences only sadness. Everyone regardless of their placements experience both joy and sorrow.

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posted May 20, 2011 12:54 AM            

I don't think I've ever heard of any astrologer refer to a placement as 'unhappy.' (Who are you reading?) Now, I have been 'unhappy' with my results since my Venus is placed in Virgo, but that's different. However, I am definitely not saying that I am the only unhappy person in love or the most unhappy person.

Really, I agree with Astra in that I think certain placements make certain aspects of life MORE challenging than is normal for other people. However, every person either chooses to make the best of their challenge in life, or they choose to make the worst of it. It's all still choice to me. I have a hard road to walk with regards to romance. However, I can't say that I'd want to walk my Cappy friend's hard road of choosing a career instead. (Though sometimes we talk about wishing that we could trade circumstances, probably because we are each already strong in what the other is not).

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it sounds like you are perpetually unhappy.. as though it never ends…

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Hmm... I can really only speak to my placements, but usually I feel like the STRUGGLE is always there with regards to certain areas of my life (especially when you've been pigeon-holed by other people). Even when I'm in happy times, to maintain it I feel like I'm struggling because I don't usually get hit with one thing, I get slammed with ten things at once. And so when I am going through a relatively calm period, I usually feel like I have to be on the look out. Does that make sense?

Oddly enough, I also tend to feel like a lot of this has to do with the lay out of my own chart, as all of my planets are in the beginning degrees or ending degrees of signs, so often, I have one transiting planet aspecting many of my planets at once. This usually seems to cause many positive or negative events all at once.

Now, is it my choice to grin and bear it or walk away from the situation seething in anger? Absolutely. Do I eventually get over it, even if I walk away? Sure, but I also tend to focus heavily on my failings (which I feel is a Virgo trait of mine). So I tend to look to the past as a way to see what to do in my future... What am I doing wrong? What could I do better?

Typically, as people, we learn that the result we get the most is what defines us, so if something does not go the way that we want it to, repeatedly (even after changing strategies), we are not going to be happy with OURSELVES and we are going to view it as a 'struggle.' It's really about it reflecting on us. This might make some people unhappy since it feels like the odds are stacked against you.

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Because I mean – I’ve dealt quite well with negative events and I do not feel unhappy today as a result of any past unhappiness. It is behind me.

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That is wonderful, but... What one person can handle emotionally is not always what another person can handle emotionally. That doesn't invalidate either person's feelings. Some people really do hold on to things for longer than others. Can this be shown by chart placements? Well, I don't rightly know, but maybe... I haven't studied it.

posted May 20, 2011 04:10 AM            

Just my 2p.