posted May 25, 2011 03:30 PM            

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Originally posted by popcorn:
only... still be there and se what will happening. My experience of wertex meeting people relationships are that they not often will last.

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Thanks for your answer. You are right, I just have to wait and see what happens.

However, I am quite pessimistic as we both have communication problems (our Mercury are opposed and Mars square Saturn in the composite chart). I feel verbally paralyzed (don't know what to say, just want to stay close to him and feel his presence, but even that is not so easy).It drives me mad. I have the impression that I am missing my one chance of finding a true love partner. I feel very bad.

Here are the synastry chart:

...and composite chart:

posted May 26, 2011 04:18 PM            

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Originally posted by Lioness:
Sometimes the Karma is for the relationship to "not" really develop...
You learn something about yourself, when the relationship doesnt develop into anything.. You learn it because you wanted it to develop so bad, but it didnt... You feel the loss, and you have to go back and think about where it went wrong, and "maybe" next time when you feel this way, the relationship will develop..

Everything happens for a reason..

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posted May 26, 2011 06:23 PM            

and I have to agree they are both apart of a pattern I'm noticing... and there is a third person coming into the same pattern.

I have refused all of them...simply because I don't want to get hurt, all of them would cause me great heartache, which I already know, but I guess I have to go "there". I'm very reluctant because I'm an intense person. and it could potentially emotionally destroy me...but it's hard because I get all these intese feelings, fated feelings. I start to fall for them, even though I know I shouldn't then, I tell myself I can't and retreat...and walk away

posted May 26, 2011 08:00 PM            

My understanding of karma is that it brings about fated encounters based on what your Soul decided you would tackle in this lifetime - this was a decision made before you were born. While fated circumstances may present themselves to you, you have a choice as to what you decide to tackle for the moment - what you don't will just return at a later date.

It's like walking down the street and suddenly encountering a person who is trying to draw your attention and ask you for something. You have a choice here - you may decide to respond, or you may decide to keep walking. Karma brought that person/situation to you, but you may exert your will by choosing not to engage with the situation here and now.

If you choose to refuse, like MertSerimer was saying, the situation will repeat, perhaps in a different manner though embodying the same theme, until you decide to dive in and learn or experience what your Soul had intended for you. If the karmic tie to the person is strong enough, you may encounter him/her again in this life or in another, until you reach a balance or the both of you decide to let it go with an attitude of love.

posted May 26, 2011 08:15 PM            

I just re-read your question. I think my post above was perhaps much too general.

I think that if you feel you cannot handle it at this moment, you have a choice to move on, but may encounter that person again later if the ties are strong enough. The Vertex and South Node contacts sound like it. However, you may find yourself gaining strength as you work with the situation, to where you are able to handle all that it comes with..

I have had such a situation in my life. I met him around 10 years ago - we had an easy rapport with each other and fell hard for each other. He pushed me to consider making our relationship official, to date him, to talk to my parents about it. I wasn't ready at the time since the differences seemed insurmountable to me, and I just wasn't strong enough. So instead I ended up taking the easy way out, and found myself married to someone else. I was miserable and it never fit from the beginning with this other person. I was starting to go through my Saturn Return, and in my solitude, I found myself working through my issues, until I found the strength to leave the failed marriage.

Circumstances led me to the same city where my love was, to a situation where I began running into him once a week or so. The feelings had never gone away, and we got back with each other. He had been badly hurt though by my previous actions, and backed out this time around, hurting me in the process. We still cared deeply for each other but he wasn't ready to get over his hurt.

A year & half went by, and he got a job in another city. He suddenly re-initiated a relationship with me despite knowing of his impending move, and we have been together ever since, despite the distance. This time around, we both seem to be ready to see this through to wherever it may take us.

To sum it all up, this is our third iteration of being in a relationship together - I wasn't ready the first time around, while tables were turned the second time. Somehow we got yet another opportunity. I think this illustrates how karma works..

So, sam, I think you should do what feels right to you. If you feel like you want to continue with your situation, and learn as you go - stick with it. If you don't feel strong enough, be kind to yourself and let it go.. it will return some day and give you another opportunity.

posted May 26, 2011 08:26 PM            

You two have some strong karmic ties, it seems - the nodal contacts, Vertex/AC, etc. Your synastry chart shows why it may feel difficult to you - there are a number of oppositions and squares. But you have easier Saturn aspects that speak of possible longevity - his Moon sextiling your Saturn, and your Mercury sextiling his Saturn. Your Venus sextiles his Pluto - must feel like a magnetic connection to you.

I still say, go with what feels right to you. Do you want to keep trying to work on it? If you do, be patient with yourself and with him. If not, let him know you're not ready right now, and be aware you may be letting it go for good (in this lifetime). Though, you could ask to remain friends and continue the association. If you're meant to, you will have a chance again at this relationship down the road.

posted May 26, 2011 08:48 PM            

But I also think each person we are faced with like this is Karma..
Even though I do believe in free will, I think things work out the way they are suppose to work out...

I have a karmic tie with someone... I just want him so bad... But he wont go there with me.. He cant... I believe he's doing what he's suppose to do.. He feels that for a reason...
Because he rejected me, its made me look deep inside myself, and learn some things..
This was his purpose...
Fate/Karma made sure I couldnt run.. Even though I tried, and did.. It was impossible!

Fate put us working together... If this was anyone else.. I would have cut all ties, and never gave it another thought.. But since I had no choice but to interact with him daily.. I HAD to face what I was feeling..

Its been a long hard journey.. But in the long run.. Ive learned so much about my self..
This is a case where a relationship never developed..
Believe it or not Im learning about unconditional love...
I adore this man to death.. Even though he rejected me... Thats ok... I accept that, and I he can be in my life in what ever way he is comfortable with...

posted May 27, 2011 04:26 AM            

MertSerimer: That’s indeed a very pragmatic way of seeing things! ;-) We work hard for getting a better life later (be it the next one)

Virgo/Leo Cusp: Recurring patterns such as the one you describe (three persons involved) certainly show that something underground has to be faced. Thank you for your sharing.

Cooljen: I think we should follow the good advice of our friends and accept to live whatever we are ready to live (including running away if we feel it is better for us at that moment). It means not to put pressure on oneself as every situation, each response we make is exactly what we had to live. Whatever we choose (if we can) to do, we do our best.

sunshine9: your testimony is so interesting, thank you so much for sharing :-)
By the way, I see a difference between living a relationship that embodies a specific pattern we have to work on and meeting specific person we seem to have met before. We surely have to work on personal issues in both situations, but when you meet someone you think you already know, it is quite different I think. For the little story, after a few weeks I had met him, Vertex activated and I fell in love with him after I thought noticing he fell also in love with me. A door opened in my heart and I had memories that came up. Terrible memories where I could feel that our previous passionate relationship ended up in violence and death. I was so scared to see him as if I had seen a dead man or an impossible encounter. Then, I became obsessed by him, thinking of him night and day: I could not sleep and fell ill. I did not go to work for a while. We communicate non-verbally and have difficulties to have normal talks (Pluto-Mercury in eight house). I feel paralyzed, but my feelings (and I think his too) for him are so deep! But he has a girlfriend and he plans to go to live with her in a different country in a few months. Our professional contract ends up in one month. So I will not see him anymore. Time is running up and I don’t know what to do. Considering your advice, I should let him go as it is the natural way it seems to be. I should learn from this experience to let go. But for the moment, it is quite painful and I feel guilty not being able to talk properly to him and to match up to him. I feel miserable. But, on the other hand, if we had to live something deeper, then we would…

Astrologically speaking, my asteroid Juno (marriage) conjuncts his south node and my conjunction Mars-Neptune-Black moon conjuncts also his south node. His Venus-Mercury conjuncts my south node. This confirms we were lover and married in a past life, but it ended up in violence.

Lioness:

posted May 28, 2011 11:57 AM            

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Originally posted by samsaoule:
Thank you so much all for answering me :-) You are all very kind.

Lioness:

…And it is quite reassuring to tell oneself that such intense karmic encounter is well planned in advance, however hard it is to respond to the circumstances and obstacles we may face.

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Which is why its karmic..

I think your the male?
You two have a 10 year or so age difference.
I think because of the composite you are married..

If Im correct.. (not sure that I am)
You have to choose what YOU want..

You have to ask yourself what path will make you the happiest.

What is it that you really want? Sometimes we have to dig deep inside and figure it out..
Maybe this person is apart of your future,maybe not..
Either way you have to figure out what will make you the happiest..

posted May 28, 2011 02:16 PM            

So if you could be kind enough to let me know where I am right and wrong at..

I was looking more into this..

I think she would want a serious relationship with you, which includes marriage. She would probably be very vocal about it..
Either way she would want to live together..

posted May 28, 2011 02:28 PM            

There is a deep love current between us. And believe me or not...we are two males! :-)

I am gay and out, he is straight with a girlfriend. He leaves our country in a few months time.

That’s why I said I did not know the purpose of this encounter as he is not supposed to be attracted by men, and besides, we have communication problems. So, I wondered why we had Vertex in conjunction with DC in the composite chart (Btw, I suppose it is the reason you thought we were married?) along with other strong aspects. Why would we have such rare interaspects?

Once, he told me I ask myself too many questions. I think he is right ;-)

posted May 28, 2011 03:16 PM            

But anyways... from what I said above and your confirmations, you are she and he is he.

posted May 28, 2011 03:28 PM            

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Originally posted by Lioness:
Ok... So First is he interested in you at all?
Or is a case where he's experimenting, or having latent feelings?

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I do not know, darling ;-)

I just know he has unexpected feelings for me and he feels sexually attracted to me. (I think it is because my AC falls in his eight house).

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Originally posted by Lioness:

But anyways... from what I said above and your confirmations, you are she and he is he.

No pun intended of course

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And I agree with you, in your description I am “she” and he is “he” (no pun intended) :-)

posted May 28, 2011 03:46 PM            

I guess its time for him to figure out what he is.. Straight, gay,bi... Thats your purpose to him.. Maybe your bringing out his latent feelings.

But if you guys did get into a relationship... I dont think he would be faithful.

Thats when you would become vocal about a serious relationship and setting up a home together.. Either way you want a serious relationhip with him.. I dont think he's ready for that... At the most he may want to experiment to find out what he is...

Your not saying anything now,bc you dont know where you stand...

posted May 28, 2011 04:09 PM            

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Originally posted by Lioness:
If hes attracted to you, then my guess would be he has some latent feelings..

I guess its time for him to figure out what he is.. Straight, gay,bi... Thats your purpose to him.. Maybe your bringing out his latent feelings.

But if you guys did get into a relationship... I dont think he would be faithful.

Thats when you would become vocal about a serious relationship and setting up a home together.. Either way you want a serious relationhip with him.. I dont think he's ready for that... At the most he may want to experiment to find out what he is...

Your not saying anything now,bc you dont know where you stand...

I was going to ask if you two were co-workers... lol

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posted May 28, 2011 06:48 PM            

6th Sabian degree in Leo reads: “a conservative, old-fashioned lady Is confronted by a "hippie" girl”

In the book, it says this degree shows it is time to live a cultural and social crisis to understand the relativity of social values…
It seems I play the role of the “hippie girl” to him and he is the old-fashioned lady :-)

posted May 28, 2011 06:53 PM            

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Originally posted by Lioness:
Maybe around his Saturn Return..

or maybe not until T. Saturn conjuncts his Uranus

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