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Anemone
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posted May 26, 2011 04:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Anemone     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Nessus conjunct Kaali in natal - what could it indicate? Is it malefic on its own or in comparison with other aspects??

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posted May 27, 2011 03:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for iQ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Nessus conjunct Kaali can indicate any of these:

1. Experience of abuse related to extracting psychic energy, abuse relating to power trips that occur because of imbalanced Kundalini.

2. Ritual sacrifice after assault, inspired from the demonic Astral level.
Something Ted Bundyish. This is the rarest of the rare case.

3. Teaching a person to not abuse personal power/Kundalini Shakti.

4. Using Kundalini Energy to heal abusive tendencies.

Usually, this aspect in a male'c chart indicates abuser and in a woman's chart indicates victim. Pluto, Mars and Saturn aspects are important as well when this Nessus-Kaali conjunction or even square is present.

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posted May 27, 2011 02:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Anemone     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The orb is 3 s for this conjunction...
The male's char also has:
Lucifer exactly conjunct his Sun
Lucifer exactly semi-square his Venus,
Kaali exactly conjunct his Mercury and also Kaali conjunct his sun by 4s.

NOW, in synastry:
his Nessus squares my Dejanira by 4s and
his Nessus EXACTLY conjuncts my ASCENDANT!
I remember another relation of nessus exactly conuncting my ascendant, and although there werent any othe important "glue-like" aspects (that i remember off) i cant shake it still off me (not in a bad way, we like each other, but it seems we cant get away)

Any thoughts? Is it likely to be played out bad? I have mixed feelings on Nessus, I know from the previous experience that it contributed to some very obsessive antics and a controlling behavior...I am certain it was this aspect most prominently played out...

I am waiting for your inputs!!

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posted May 27, 2011 02:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Anemone     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Also, since it signifies an abuser, in what way is it most likely to be manifested??
In the composite, Nessus:
exactly semi-squares the Sun,
trines neptune,
exactly sextiles Pluto,
trines Dejanira,
sextiles Kaali and lucifer,
and is opposite Lust.

seems prominent there, too...thoughts?

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posted May 28, 2011 07:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Anemone     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted May 29, 2011 09:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Anemone     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
anyone thoughts on nessus??

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posted May 30, 2011 05:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for iQ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It will not pay out well when his Nessus conjuncts your Ascendant. At some stage, he will get obsessive and when he cannot control you, he will begin some form of emotional abuse that will irritate you. There appear no telling signs of physical abuse, so nothing much to worry on that count.

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posted May 30, 2011 06:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Yrone     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Peachy, teacher has his Nessus conj. my Asc. But I really think he has better things to do with his time then obsessing over me and besides the Eros he has there might balance it out :P

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posted May 31, 2011 01:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Anemone     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you for your reply, i really think previous experience is a tremendous help on knowing how to handle nessus...i do sense obsessive undertones in these aspects hopefully prior knowledge will help. I should probably mention the Venus-Mars square and Mars-Moon conjunction in synastry that possibly contributes to this intense pull, along with nessus which i believe is the number one intensity factor, moreso than pluto. Thankfully there is a moon-moon sextile, venus-venus trine etc so it mellows out. And His mars in my 5th house doesnt help either!!!!

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posted May 31, 2011 10:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MertSerimer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by iQ:
Nessus conjunct Kaali can indicate any of these:

1. Experience of abuse related to extracting psychic energy, abuse relating to power trips that occur because of imbalanced Kundalini.

2. Ritual sacrifice after assault, inspired from the demonic Astral level.
Something Ted Bundyish. This is the rarest of the rare case.

3. Teaching a person to not abuse personal power/Kundalini Shakti.

4. Using Kundalini Energy to heal abusive tendencies.

Usually, this aspect in a male'c chart indicates abuser and in a woman's chart indicates victim. Pluto, Mars and Saturn aspects are important as well when this Nessus-Kaali conjunction or even square is present.



İn Natal;
What can kaali conjunct Pluto mean in scorpio in 8th house ?
Also this kaali
Trine Moon,
Trine Karma,
Square Jupiter?

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posted June 01, 2011 04:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Anemone     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I also found some very interesting aspects to asteroids Medea and Ophelia...nice!! Seems the theme in that relating is along the 'intense, obsessing' lines...
Also in the composite, there are very close aspects (some of them down to 1 degree) between

Osiris/Isis
Ptah/Sekhmet
Lancelot/Guinevere
Siva/Kaali
Rudra/Kaali
Nessus/Dejanira (thankfully, in the composite its a trine, not a 4 degree square like in synastry)
Tristan/Isolda etc.

Seems very interesting!!

PS. regarding Pluto/Nessus, we got an exact semi-square in synastry...Pluto and Nessus share the 'obsession' theme (since Nessus is Saturn/Pluto energy) so I guess with the trine this enrgy is channelled in less challenging ways??

Again...oh dear, this Nessus/ASC in synastry! Cant stop thinking about it!!! :O

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posted June 01, 2011 04:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Anemone     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by MertSerimer:
What can kaali conjunct Pluto mean in scorpio in 8th house ?
Also this kaali
Trine Moon,
Trine Karma,
Square Jupiter?

Sorry I thought it was Nessus /Pluto ...you mean in Natal??? I got Kaali/Moon 1 degree conjunction....it has to do with Kundalini energy and handling it/Kundaline Awakening. I had some powerul experiences and yes I do believe it is my Kaali/Moon in manifestation!
IQ is the best one to give you answers....

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posted June 01, 2011 05:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Anemone     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
IQ i think we need your contribution here!

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Talking of obsession aspects, with the bloke who has Nessus conj. my Asc I have this construct:

So my Moon is conj his BML on his Saturn/Pluto Midpoint and by progression, my Dejanira moved there.

Yes, I am doing all these funny OCD shenannigans with charts and celestial bodies Coffee calls rubbish

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posted June 01, 2011 05:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MertSerimer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Anemone:
Sorry I thought it was Nessus /Pluto ...you mean in Natal??? I got Kaali/Moon 1 degree conjunction....it has to do with Kundalini energy and handling it/Kundaline Awakening. I had some powerul experiences and yes I do believe it is my Kaali/Moon in manifestation!
IQ is the best one to give you answers....

Yeah i mean Natal. thx for replying though

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posted June 01, 2011 06:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for iQ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Ä°n Natal;
What can kaali conjunct Pluto mean in scorpio in 8th house ?
Also this kaali
Trine Moon,
Trine Karma,
Square Jupiter?
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This is a positive aspect to those who wish to put in effort through meditation, pranayama or any form of Yoga to elevate their Kundalini Energy.

When square Jupiter, it indicates difficulty in finding the guru. Once the guru is found, it is fated that a personal transformation will occur thanks to Kundalini safely reaching and staying in the Crown Chakra.

It is a very positive aspect on the whole. Only when a guru is found with difficulty will he be appreciated.

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posted June 01, 2011 08:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Yrone:
Talking of obsession aspects, with the bloke who has Nessus conj. my Asc I have this construct:

So my Moon is conj his BML on his Saturn/Pluto Midpoint and by progression, my Dejanira moved there.

Yes, I am doing all these funny OCD shenannigans with charts and celestial bodies Coffee calls rubbish


How do you feel toward this guy,Yronne?
Are you attracted to him?

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posted June 01, 2011 08:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have not studied Kaali at all.
It is hard to get a feel for the asteroids cuz not much is written on them.
Do people agree?
I only learned about Nessus and Deja cuz IQ did my chart and that of my mother's.

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
How do you feel toward this guy,Yronne?
Are you attracted to him?

Well most of the time I feel very positive towards him. He saved me from becoming an old, bitter and lonely woman down the road, by actively encouraging me to join MA classes, so naturally I would.

Sometimes I am feeling negatively, but I recognise this as old behaviour patterns that are part of the self fullfilling prophecy I mentioned in the other thread. And because my whimsy ego gets miffed when I am not getting special attention

And I am obsessed about dissecting our charts

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posted June 01, 2011 08:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ok You are obsessed

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posted June 01, 2011 12:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Anemone     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by MertSerimer:
Yeah i mean Natal. thx for replying though
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No problem, my answer is based on my own Natal Kaali/Moon as I said and IQ had helped me alot with that! I am thinking of doing Kundalini Yoga, because I really feel the aspect strongly, resonates perfectly with me!

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posted June 01, 2011 02:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Anemone     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
I have not studied Kaali at all.
It is hard to get a feel for the asteroids cuz not much is written on them.
Do people agree?
I only learned about Nessus and Deja cuz IQ did my chart and that of my mother's.


I was wondering Ami...maybe Nessus/Deja and generally Nessus aspects manifest differently in relationship/romantic charts and other charts (like yours and your mother's). The relating dynamics are different in those cases...I would think Nessus generally is more intense/obsessive/passionate in romantic relationships synastry/composites (without excluding the abuse theme of course - or rather, the abuse POTENTIAL) but it is predominantly abusive/controlling in family/friendship charts.

In Natals I would say it gives dark undertones and a need to control...

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posted June 02, 2011 03:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Yrone     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Ok You are obsessed

Naturally, if you strongly believe in astrology, I have no choice but to be, our synastry is hell and a half.

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posted June 02, 2011 04:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MertSerimer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by iQ:
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Ä°n Natal;
What can kaali conjunct Pluto mean in scorpio in 8th house ?
Also this kaali
Trine Moon,
Trine Karma,
Square Jupiter?
>>
This is a positive aspect to those who wish to put in effort through meditation, pranayama or any form of Yoga to elevate their Kundalini Energy.

When square Jupiter, it indicates difficulty in finding the guru. Once the guru is found, it is fated that a personal transformation will occur thanks to Kundalini safely reaching and staying in the Crown Chakra.

It is a very positive aspect on the whole. Only when a guru is found with difficulty will he be appreciated.


thx a lot!. I saw your reply now. i hope the right guru is not only about transcendental sexual domination regarding which house it is in =))

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