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bethcarliseh
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posted May 30, 2011 02:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bethcarliseh     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What in my chart can make me so stupid. What in my chart makes me alone and useless.

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MertSerimer
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posted May 30, 2011 03:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MertSerimer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by bethcarliseh:
What in my chart can make me so stupid. What in my chart makes me alone and useless.

Mars square moon can make someone alone.
Uranus squares to mc or ac
Mercury,Mars,Venus and Jupiter square to Uranus
Saturn conjunct, Square ac
Saturn in 12th house
Moon conjunct,Square,Opposite Saturn can bring traits you said...

1-2 of them cant only bring these traits but chart is an all so house placements, personal planets in sign etc is important too...

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Doreen
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posted May 30, 2011 06:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Doreen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What is it about Mars square Moon can you please explain if you don't mind
Thank you

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Ami Anne
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posted May 30, 2011 06:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by bethcarliseh:
What in my chart can make me so stupid. What in my chart makes me alone and useless.

Good points Mert
So, you are saying to look at ASC,moon and Venus-----right?
What would these be doing or have done to them--aspect wise?
I have to say,honestly Beth that you seem to want to antagonize. I ignore you cuz I think you are trying to annoy people on purpose.
I say that ,now,only cuz you seem to be asking a legitimate question

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posted May 30, 2011 06:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DepTaurus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
bethcarliseh why do you feel that your stupid and useless. is there anything wrong that we can maybe help you with. maybe you just need people to listen to you.

if you want of course. were here to listen.

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Betty Boop
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posted May 30, 2011 06:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Betty Boop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh.EM.Gee.

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bethcarliseh
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posted May 30, 2011 06:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bethcarliseh     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by DepTaurus:
bethcarliseh why do you feel that your stupid and useless. is there anything wrong that we can maybe help you with. maybe you just need people to listen to you.

if you want of course. were here to listen.


because people take advantage of me and no one really cares about me. I am an inconvenience to everyone around me. A burden. No one likes me. There is no point or purpose to my existence.

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posted May 30, 2011 07:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DepTaurus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by bethcarliseh:
because people take advantage of me and no one really cares about me. I am an inconvenience to everyone around me. A burden. No one likes me. There is no point or purpose to my existence.


really and im just meeting you now i really dont think your a burden. and well as for your existence i think you have alot to offer.i used to be just like you and you know what i told myself. i woke up and i would think i matter and sure sometimes life is hard and its all hard but if you just be yourself dont let people have the power to make you feel the way you do.

that feeling like your the biggest utter dissapointment to everyone around especially yourself. when really your not its other peoples perceptions of you that are making you feel this way.

but i think you should really just think about it sometime and think positive things about yourself it can really help. the answer wont come to you here. astrology wont cure what it is that your going threw it can only give you an idea of who are and what you can be.

can i ask you something if its ok with you. do you often put yourself down instead of being all that you can be. even when people dont do that for you.

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Doreen
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posted May 30, 2011 07:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Doreen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/208136.html
Maybe it's comments like the one you posted here that makes people not like you

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posted May 30, 2011 07:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MertSerimer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Doreen:
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/208136.html
Maybe it's comments like the one you posted here that makes people not like you


despite of being wrong, it is still somewhat acceptable for once cuz it is funny but this is; http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/208629.html

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Ami Anne
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posted May 30, 2011 09:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Based on the comments that people put up Beth,what do you have to say?

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posted May 30, 2011 09:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MertSerimer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Doreen:
What is it about Mars square Moon can you please explain if you don't mind
Thank you

Mars square Moon in natal can make native untolerant and over-aggresive person so other people may resent which can lead loneliness.

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Ami Anne
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posted May 30, 2011 09:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There are so many moon square Mars people ,though.I know so many even on here who do not act off putting.
Swift Freeze is one. Doux Reve is another.

Perhaps moon conjunct Mars would be worse.Although I know someone with Moon conjunct Mars in Virgo(exact) and he was not off putting.

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Enlightenment doesn't result from sitting around visualizing images of light, but from integrating the darker aspects of the self into the conscious personality
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You must lose your life for My sake in order to find it .
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posted May 30, 2011 09:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SmilingHeart     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by bethcarliseh:
because people take advantage of me and no one really cares about me. I am an inconvenience to everyone around me. A burden. No one likes me. There is no point or purpose to my existence.


Oh my God, Beth. I often feel like this too.
You just phrased exactly what I think time and time again. You'll feel better if you occupy yourself with something. Find some new people to be around, change your surroundings. Always makes me feel better.

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Coffee
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posted May 30, 2011 10:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Coffee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by bethcarliseh:
What in my chart can make me so stupid. What in my chart makes me alone and useless.

An opposition from 1st to 3rd ruler can possibly make a person stupid, or emphasis on 9th in stead of 1st house aspect. Both are a different kind of stupid. 3rd house is logical male brain, while 9th house is illogical (just going on opposites) female brain. Logical and creative then instead of word opposite.

Your self worth is house 2, which could be a problem, as opposed to seeming alone and useless. 1st and 2nd rulers in aspect. This can change over the course of a lifetime. A natal chart with transits would help to see if this is temporary or not.

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posted May 30, 2011 10:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for amowls**     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Coffee, that's straight up stupid. 1) because "female brains" are not necessary illogical and 2) 9th is a masculine house. 9th is about big picture concepts as opposed to 3rd, which is nitty gritty details. Nothing to do with how SMART or STUPID one is.

Sexism is also always really stupid.

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posted May 30, 2011 10:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MertSerimer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
There are so many moon square Mars people ,though.I know so many even on here who do not act off putting.
Swift Freeze is one. Doux Reve is another.

Perhaps moon conjunct Mars would be worse.Although I know someone with Moon conjunct Mars in Virgo(exact) and he was not off putting.



ofc.. i have it very widely too. One aspect can not give bad traits anyway.

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posted May 30, 2011 10:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Coffee, that's straight up stupid. 1) because "female brains" are not necessary illogical and 2) 9th is a masculine house. 9th is about big picture concepts as opposed to 3rd, which is nitty gritty details. Nothing to do with how SMART or STUPID one is.

Sexism is also always really stupid.


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Enlightenment doesn't result from sitting around visualizing images of light, but from integrating the darker aspects of the self into the conscious personality
Jung
You must lose your life for My sake in order to find it .
Jesus

He who controls his Spirit is greater than he who controls a city
Proverbs

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posted May 30, 2011 11:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Doreen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by amowls**:
Coffee, that's straight up stupid. 1) because "female brains" are not necessary illogical and 2) 9th is a masculine house. 9th is about big picture concepts as opposed to 3rd, which is nitty gritty details. Nothing to do with how SMART or STUPID one is.

Sexism is also always really stupid.


You are very interesting amowls**

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posted May 30, 2011 12:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Coffee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by amowls**:
Coffee, that's straight up stupid. 1) because "female brains" are not necessary illogical and 2) 9th is a masculine house. 9th is about big picture concepts as opposed to 3rd, which is nitty gritty details. Nothing to do with how SMART or STUPID one is.

Sexism is also always really stupid.


Maybe they have some reaction function which makes them want to reply that the female brain is not illogical. I was using the opposite of logical, then provided the word 'creative'

3rd house from 1st is house 3. 1st house is MAN. Man's brain.

3rd house from 7th is house 9. 7th house is WOMAN. Woman's brain.

Argue with that?

Have you ever done research to see when the left arm/left leg of a sports player is injured? (3rd house)
Have you ever done research to see when the right arm/right leg of a sports player is injured? (9th house)

Psychologists say we have 2 parts of the brain, maybe someone can correct me as to the two options please? Does logical part and creative part sound ok?

Where in the natal chart do you see the different parts of the brain?

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bethcarliseh
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posted May 30, 2011 03:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bethcarliseh     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I must be so ugly. I bet that I am one of the ugliest people on the planet. People probably look at my face and body and think, what a mistake.

I have no talents. I bet when I talk people get annoyed because I sound utterly ridiculous.

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posted May 30, 2011 03:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MertSerimer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by bethcarliseh:
I must be so ugly. I bet that I am one of the ugliest people on the planet. People probably look at my face and body and think, what a mistake.

I have no talents. I bet when I talk people get annoyed because I sound utterly ridiculous.


Having no talent is nearly impossible and relatively rare. Maybe you are good and talented at whining ?

Dont go hard on yourself... Just live, finish your karmic debts, try to love and always sex and you are done!!!. Your next life's chart probably be "talented, working" chart which has north node, saturn in capricorn or virgo and Mars aspecting saturn.

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posted May 30, 2011 04:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aya_and_baby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
With all due respect, I think you're emotionally very erratic. Having noticed some (but very likely not all) of your posts it seems to me that you have spells of high self worth that easily change to spells of low self esteem. And it also seems as though you take that changeability outward into your replies to others.

So to me it seems that your current low self worth is not something in your natal chart per se, but rather the symptom of something else in your chart. Do you have uranus conjunct your moon, perhaps? Saturn in aspect with your sun (could account for low self esteem, too) or uranus in aspect to your sun? If you throw in mars with the mix it might have even more effect.

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posted May 30, 2011 04:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aya_and_baby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Coffee:
Maybe they have some reaction function which makes them want to reply that the female brain is not illogical. I was using the opposite of logical, then provided the word 'creative'

3rd house from 1st is house 3. 1st house is MAN. Man's brain.

3rd house from 7th is house 9. 7th house is WOMAN. Woman's brain.

Argue with that?

Have you ever done research to see when the left arm/left leg of a sports player is injured? (3rd house)
Have you ever done research to see when the right arm/right leg of a sports player is injured? (9th house)

Psychologists say we have 2 parts of the brain, maybe someone can correct me as to the two options please? Does logical part and creative part sound ok?

Where in the natal chart do you see the different parts of the brain?


Logical and creative is more accurate than male and female. Especially since statistics have shown that of the two genders, men are the most irrational and often illogical.

I don't like the idea of genderizing something any more than most others here do, so it's best to avoid it. Stereotypically, logic is contributed to men while creativity is contributed to women. That doesn't make it truer, though. In my humble opinion it's more an archaical attempt of historical patriarchs to establish and maintain male supremacy... And no, I'm not a feminist, I see everyone as equals. But that's how it was in our history and it's a stereotype we still carry with us to this day because we have been taught that that is how it is.


All things aside, the left brain half does "rule" logic and the right brain half "rules" creativity, but then you go a bit off the track: the right brain controls the left part of the body and vice versa. That's why they often say left handed people are more creative.

That being said, the difference between men and women in the brain does exist, but it consists of how well the two halves work together. In women, generally, that "bridge" is more prominent and firm, making that women can more easily control and interact with both halves. They can control their emotions better for example, because the fact that both halves interact so well, they can apply logic to their emotions. In men, where that "bridge" is often flawed, there is little interaction between the two halves, making them, for example, unable to deal with their emotions in a rational manner, thus making them just that bit more irrational and emotional than women, contrary to popular belief.

At least, that's what I've been taught so if I'm wrong, please tell me.

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posted May 30, 2011 08:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for amowls**     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Maybe they have some reaction function which makes them want to reply that the female brain is not illogical. I was using the opposite of logical, then provided the word 'creative'

3rd house from 1st is house 3. 1st house is MAN. Man's brain.

3rd house from 7th is house 9. 7th house is WOMAN. Woman's brain.

Argue with that?

Have you ever done research to see when the left arm/left leg of a sports player is injured? (3rd house)
Have you ever done research to see when the right arm/right leg of a sports player is injured? (9th house)

Psychologists say we have 2 parts of the brain, maybe someone can correct me as to the two options please? Does logical part and creative part sound ok?

Where in the natal chart do you see the different parts of the brain?


No. 1st house is I/ME. 7th house is YOU/THEM. Nothing to do with men/women. I can see where traditionalists get that idea because the people who wrote the books (way back in the day) were all male and wrote to an audience who was largely male, assumed that the audience was male, who married women and thus relegated women to the 7th house. This is a very complex social thing that I could write pages and pages on but I'm not going to. And it's insulting as f*ck for you to say that because someone has a "female" brain, they are illogical or stupid.

9th is Sag/Jupiter, which is assertive as opposed to receptive.

Aya, there is lots of research out there but there isn't anything conclusive. If you looked at people individually, without accounting for gender, people have issues bridging the two halves regardless of gender/sex.

-1st and 3rd conjunct in the 9th, 3rd ruler retrograde

Obviously I don't have any problems thinking.

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