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Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 10683 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted June 03, 2011 02:41 PM
I have been contemplating Element Voids as I have been doing more charts. Some people with the element void are MORE of that element. Some feel a great lack of it. I know you talked about your Fire Void before but how do you feel it? You seem very fire like.You seem brimming with enthusiasm, get up and go, a direct nature and courage--all fire traits. I know 2 other people with fire voids who feel a great lack of these things. Would you share about the fire void as you feel it Randall?------------------ Enlightenment doesn't result from sitting around visualizing images of light, but from integrating the darker aspects of the self into the conscious personality Jung You must lose your life for My sake in order to find it . Jesus He who controls his Spirit is greater than he who controls a city Proverbs IP: Logged |
lalalinda Moderator Posts: 1465 From: nevada Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 03, 2011 03:07 PM
Hi Ami, Hi Randall,I only have one planet in Water, Neptune in Scorpio This lack of water is compensated for by having strong planets in the Water Houses. 4th/Sun...angular 8th/Uranus...exalted house of Uranus 12th/Jupiter...Chart Ruler, Jupiter is home (co-ruler) IP: Logged |
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 10683 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted June 03, 2011 03:35 PM
Yes Lalalinda You seem very sensitive to people's feelings and needs--a total water thing. My book said that element voids can sometimes feel SO full of that element. That interested me cuz I just did an air void chart where she said she was VERY high in air qualities. So ,a void CAN be uber in the element which is fascinating to me. How can that be? I get that the houses would help compensate but how could a void be STRONG in the element? Do you know what I mean Lala? ------------------ Enlightenment doesn't result from sitting around visualizing images of light, but from integrating the darker aspects of the self into the conscious personality Jung You must lose your life for My sake in order to find it . Jesus He who controls his Spirit is greater than he who controls a city Proverbs IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 8811 From: The Goober Galaxy Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 03, 2011 08:16 PM
I had to learn all of those "Fire" things...and assisted as noted by Lala. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 10683 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted June 03, 2011 08:24 PM
Makes sense Randall I have an earth void and you would know it from the look of my house  ------------------ Enlightenment doesn't result from sitting around visualizing images of light, but from integrating the darker aspects of the self into the conscious personality Jung You must lose your life for My sake in order to find it . Jesus He who controls his Spirit is greater than he who controls a city Proverbs IP: Logged |
starcrossedleo Knowflake Posts: 63 From: Registered: May 2011
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posted June 03, 2011 08:37 PM
I have very few planets in water-2 if you count Chiron. Neptune in Scorpio and Chiron in Pisces. I feel I have a water void and when I found that out I was confused because I believe I feel things deeply and am sensitive but an astrologer told me that I feel things more acutely because I do not have the water to cushion it so I should drink lots of water. Conversely my ex has a ton of water and no fire so he seeks me for his fire.My daughter has no air and a lot of water. Air is my largest element % wise.It's intersting ow people are placed in our lives to fill these elemental voids. IP: Logged |
enchantress299 Knowflake Posts: 254 From: Registered: May 2009
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posted June 03, 2011 11:18 PM
Yeah, I've noticed that too...I've only got one planet in air and one planet in water (respectively), but the one planet I have in air is my chart ruler and I have a water rising sign, so it slightly compensates. I tend to attract heavy air signs (with fire voids) and heavy water signs (with earth voids). The water signs I can usually deal with and understand at least half the time... The air signs and I look at each other like we are from different planets. We are strangely fascinated and yet repelled by each other at the same time. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 10683 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted June 04, 2011 04:47 AM
quote: Originally posted by enchantress299: Yeah, I've noticed that too...I've only got one planet in air and one planet in water (respectively), but the one planet I have in air is my chart ruler and I have a water rising sign, so it slightly compensates. I tend to attract heavy air signs (with fire voids) and heavy water signs (with earth voids). The water signs I can usually deal with and understand at least half the time... The air signs and I look at each other like we are from different planets. We are strangely fascinated and yet repelled by each other at the same time.
Thanks Enchantress!!! That is fascinating especially about the attraction/repulsion part  ------------------ Enlightenment doesn't result from sitting around visualizing images of light, but from integrating the darker aspects of the self into the conscious personality Jung You must lose your life for My sake in order to find it . Jesus He who controls his Spirit is greater than he who controls a city Proverbs IP: Logged |
lalalinda Moderator Posts: 1465 From: nevada Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 04, 2011 04:49 AM
Hi Ami,Water sensitivity is directed inward, towards themselves. Their feelings get hurt easy. Fire sensitivity is directed outwards towards others, like injustice. I had to stop and think about that one. I know I'm not thin skinned  but I cry for things I can not change, injustice is a good word. and for a Fire void Randall you certainly inspire me. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 10683 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted June 04, 2011 04:50 AM
quote: Originally posted by starcrossedleo: I have very few planets in water-2 if you count Chiron. Neptune in Scorpio and Chiron in Pisces. I feel I have a water void and when I found that out I was confused because I believe I feel things deeply and am sensitive but an astrologer told me that I feel things more acutely because I do not have the water to cushion it so I should drink lots of water. Conversely my ex has a ton of water and no fire so he seeks me for his fire.My daughter has no air and a lot of water. Air is my largest element % wise.It's intersting ow people are placed in our lives to fill these elemental voids.
See I don't understand HOW a water void could feel things more acutely? What are your ideas? IF the element is missing(not counting secondary factors such as houses as Lala said) but as a element in itself, HOW could you be like an uber water sign? Thanks so much for any insights.This was kind of my point in starting this thread. I was wondering about things like this. BTW, to me, the hardest void would be a water void . ------------------ Enlightenment doesn't result from sitting around visualizing images of light, but from integrating the darker aspects of the self into the conscious personality Jung You must lose your life for My sake in order to find it . Jesus He who controls his Spirit is greater than he who controls a city Proverbs IP: Logged |
Lonake Moderator Posts: 4128 From: U.S. Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 04, 2011 04:53 AM
Ami, the 2 you know with Fire voids, how would you describe each? I mean, how do they display their element lack?IP: Logged |
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 10683 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted June 04, 2011 04:54 AM
quote: Originally posted by lalalinda: Hi Ami,Water sensitivity is directed inward, towards themselves. Their feelings get hurt easy. Fire sensitivity is directed outwards towards others, like injustice. I had to stop and think about that one. I know I'm not thin skinned  but I cry for things I can not change, injustice is a good word. and for a Fire void Randall you certainly inspire me.
Hmmm That is interesting about water and fire sensitivity Lala! I very rarely cry for injustice lol I only have 2 fire planets. ------------------ Enlightenment doesn't result from sitting around visualizing images of light, but from integrating the darker aspects of the self into the conscious personality Jung You must lose your life for My sake in order to find it . Jesus He who controls his Spirit is greater than he who controls a city Proverbs IP: Logged |
sassaqua Knowflake Posts: 31 From: Australia Registered: May 2011
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posted June 04, 2011 11:24 PM
quote: Originally posted by Ami Anne: See I don't understand HOW a water void could feel things more acutely? What are your ideas? IF the element is missing(not counting secondary factors such as houses as Lala said) but as a element in itself, HOW could you be like an uber water sign? Thanks so much for any insights.This was kind of my point in starting this thread. I was wondering about things like this. BTW, to me, the hardest void would be a water void .
Hi Ami, I have no water in my chart, (12th house venus compensation). In my more youthful years, I was surrounded by Pisces friends, and lovers. I realised at some stage (I *woke up*), that I was attemting to "import" this element into my psyche. I can only say that, somehow, my psyche knew that I needed to blance itself. At this time, and still now, I can get very over emotional, and over empathetic. Probably because, as I have this elemental lack, it's kind of all over the place, not really managed effectively - more unconscious maybe. There was a time, again in more youthful days, that I totally dissed emotions, thinking they were - I kid you not - a waste of time, and maybe even a weakness. My Piscean friends taught me a great, great lesson on this. Because what also came with it, was a love of art, poetry, music and the nuences in life, culture, and the human condition. My progressed sun had moved to Pisces too at this time, so I was perhaps ripe for this lesson. Thankfully  Yes, so, as Randall said, I had to learn these qualities. And it seems like my "soul" or psyche led me to intergrate this into my self. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 10683 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted June 05, 2011 04:20 AM
Thank you Sassaqua That was totally the kind of info I was looking for. Let me re-phrase your post and you tell me if I am right. Inside you, deep and far away from your conscious awareness is the KNOWING about the element water. It is like a buried spring of water--pure. You have to dig it up somehow,unearth it. Then ,you have a purer expression of water than someone who HAS a lot of water in the chart. Does that fit? How/how not? ------------------ Enlightenment doesn't result from sitting around visualizing images of light, but from integrating the darker aspects of the self into the conscious personality Jung You must lose your life for My sake in order to find it . Jesus He who controls his Spirit is greater than he who controls a city Proverbs IP: Logged |
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 10683 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted June 05, 2011 05:15 AM
quote: Originally posted by Lonake: Ami, the 2 you know with Fire voids, how would you describe each? I mean, how do they display their element lack?
Did not see this Lonake.Sorry Well,the two people SAY how hard it is for them to be exuberant about anything :how enthusiasm is like drops of water it is so precious and hard to come by. I felt a pain for them cuz it seemed awful. My earth void seems to be the easiest one,imo. ------------------ Enlightenment doesn't result from sitting around visualizing images of light, but from integrating the darker aspects of the self into the conscious personality Jung You must lose your life for My sake in order to find it . Jesus He who controls his Spirit is greater than he who controls a city Proverbs IP: Logged |
CrazyAquarian Knowflake Posts: 788 From: US Registered: Jan 2010
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posted June 05, 2011 05:44 AM
I'm technically a fire void, but my ASC is Sag. I'm enthusiastic about the littlest things  IP: Logged |
Doux Rêve Knowflake Posts: 572 From: Registered: Dec 2010
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posted June 05, 2011 05:58 AM
Fire void here.I don't overcompensate, no. In my case I feel the lack of fire deeply. No fun, no enthusiasm, no drive. I've been in a depressed state pretty much my whole life. In my opinion, fire void is the hardest. It takes away your "gusto" for life. At least in my case. I haven't found a way to compensate for the lack of fire yet. And I'm not sure I ever will lol. IP: Logged |
sassaqua Knowflake Posts: 31 From: Australia Registered: May 2011
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posted June 05, 2011 06:41 AM
quote: Originally posted by Ami Anne: Thank you Sassaqua That was totally the kind of info I was looking for. Let me re-phrase your post and you tell me if I am right. Inside you, deep and far away from your conscious awareness is the KNOWING about the element water. It is like a buried spring of water--pure. You have to dig it up somehow,unearth it. Then ,you have a purer expression of water than someone who HAS a lot of water in the chart. Does that fit? How/how not?
Hmm.. unsure about "digging it up" if it wasn't there. "Purer expression".. not sure about that either. It's probably more conscious, possibly more forced even, or exaggerated.. It doesn't feel mine. Just I tap into the force, somehow. It is outside of me though. I've only learned to recognise it outside of me and "put it on me" when I kind of see the cues. Sounds so fake but.. it's the only way to access it. Maybe it does come across as fake. Sure hope not  You got me thinking now  *don't confuse this with not feeling by the way. I do feel, and a lot too, because it is so conscious!
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Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 10683 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted June 05, 2011 09:37 AM
quote: Originally posted by sassaqua: Hmm.. unsure about "digging it up" if it wasn't there."Purer expression".. not sure about that either. It's probably more conscious, possibly more forced even, or exaggerated.. It doesn't feel mine. Just I tap into the force, somehow. It is outside of me though. I've only learned to recognise it outside of me and "put it on me" when I kind of see the cues. Sounds so fake but.. it's the only way to access it. Maybe it does come across as fake. Sure hope not  You got me thinking now  *don't confuse this with not feeling by the way. I do feel, and a lot too, because it is so conscious!
OK I SEE You have to look OUTSIDE for it. I was really describing the unaspected planet. This is the buried treasure placement. The voids would be "trying to get it from the sky"lol That makes sense.Of course,as Lala says you have to mine your chart for the element by houses or planets which rule the element. For example, I have Saturn conjunct the ASC.It trines Mars and the Moon. This is my "earth" I have Pluto in the 10th house,an earth house. That is the extent of my earth but it is pretty good. I have very good discipline.I take a lot of pride in it. When I can DO something in the material world,accomplish something, it does so much for me .
------------------ Enlightenment doesn't result from sitting around visualizing images of light, but from integrating the darker aspects of the self into the conscious personality Jung You must lose your life for My sake in order to find it . Jesus He who controls his Spirit is greater than he who controls a city Proverbs IP: Logged |